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The Queen's POWs


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The following is a list of 26 men form The Queen’s Regiment taken as Prisoners of War and held in Turkey, compiled from the Prisoner of War Book held at the Surrey History Centre (their reference: QRWS/1/5/1). There is approximately 2, 070 men listed in the book. The Register of prisoners of war, gives number, rank, name, name of 'adopters', number of parcels, relatives. The information is brief and can be a bit confusing. I have recently indexed it so I am happy to do look ups.

If anybody has any further information on the men listed below or any other Queen’s POWs I would be interested in hearing from them.

Regards

Bootneck

4th Queen’s:

201399, Pte William Betts, Serving with the Royal Sussex Regiment (4/4041)

1st/4th Queen’s

200454 (formerly 1893), LCpl William Stanley Bartlett, Croydon, attached to 2nd Bn, Norfolk Regiment. Died at Angora, 30 September 1916

200488 (formerly 1936), Pte Robert Burn, Croydon

15181 (formerly 1829) Cpl Henry G Stafford, Limpsfield

2nd/4th Queen’s:

200943, Pte George F Doubell (or Dowbell), Croydon

201779 (formerly T/4024), Pte Benjamin J Hogsden, Croydon

202143 (formerly 4559) Cpl Albert E Holloway, Long Ditton. Also shown as serving with 1st/5th Queen’s

203008 (formerly T/4164), Pte Edwin P Kearn, Redhill

202083 (formerly T/4494), Pte Thomas H Roberts, Walton on Thames

202104 (formerly T/4515), Pte Alfred Taylor, Uckfield, Sussex

206499 (formerly 2964), Pte William Welland, Died at Damascus 3 July 1917 and buried at the Damascus Commonwealth War Cemetery

201229 (formerly T/3048), Sgt Gordon William Wildy (or Wildey), Croydon

1st/5th Queen’s:

240059 (formerly 768), Pte Frederick G Bartlett, Guildford. Died 27 November 1916

240366 (formerly T/1975), Pte Owen Bridger, Middle Bourne near Farnham

240126 (formerly 1398), Pte Arthur Cook, Camberley, Died at Shawran 9 May 1916. Attached to 2nd Bn Norfolk Regiment

240189 (formerly 1543), Pte Horace Maxfield, Wanborough. Died as 22 August 1916. Buried Baghdad (North Gate) War Cemetery

240029 (formerly 279), Sgt Edward James Mortimer. Died 31 July 1916. Commemorated on the Basra Memorial. His name is also recorded in the POW Book as Nortimer.

240677, Pte Joseph Edward Neale, Hungerford, Berkshire. Died 29 April 1916. Attached to 2nd Bn Norfolk Regt. Buried at Kut War Cemetery

2053, Pte James Colin Preedy, Godalming. Died 29 April 1916. Buried Baghdad (North Gate) War Cemetery

T/1448, Pte Alfred J Seagrave, Horsham, Sussex. Attached to 2nd Bn Norfolk Regt.

240147 (formerly 1447), Pte Walter Wilfred Watson, Reigate. Died at Yarbachis

759 (possibly 240058), Pte Jack White, Bagshot. Died of Dysentery, Died 28 August 1916. Buried Baghdad (North Gate) War Cemetery

Battalion not Stated:

200229 (formerly 1628), Cpl Arthur F Fuller. Dead 1917 or 1918

240395 (formerly 2035), Pte Henry G Simmonds. Turkish POW. May 1916.

1517, Pte E Wellbelove. Possibly 23172 Earnest A Wellbelove. Wounded at Ctestiphon

No Trace Found:

3694, Sgt A Ward

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Bootnek,

Pleased to see that you have indexed the book. I have a list of 92 Queen's, including seven casualties, that were registered at Guestrow with some

information regarding other camps they were at (still registered to Guestrow).

If you are prepared to look these up I will post them in small batches in alphabetical order with the information I have. You may then be able to identify others for the camp that I do not have plus any other information about them.

Doug

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I have also transcribed the POW book from the Surrey Family History Centre Woking, and have medal groups to a number of the Regiments POW's including a Memorial Plaque to one of the Turkish POW's listed

Cpl / Sjt Arthur Frederick Fuller (T-1628 & T-200299)

Born: 1896 in Caterham Surrey

Enlisted: Caterham Surrey

Living: Caterham

1901 Census: Living Bowles? Raod, Caterham, Surrey

Frederick Fuller Head Aged 35 Bricklayer

Emily Fuller Wife Aged 37

Maggie Fuller Daug Aged 7

Arthur Fuller Son Aged 5

Served: 1/4th Battalion The Queen's Regiment (Attached to 2nd Norfolk Regt)

Sjt Fuller landed in India 28th May 1915 but was to be one of the 50 men who where sent to Mesopotamia along with Lieut Jefferis. They where attached to the 2nd Norfolk Regiment and where present at the siege of Kut Sjt Fuller was taken prisoner during the siege.

He died as a prisoner of the Turks around 23rd August 1916 (dates seem to vary from source to source)

Croydon & The Great War: Fuller A 1628 Cpl RWS Taken Pris. Believed Dead.

He is buried in Baghdad (North Gate) War Cemeterypost-7284-1246522099.jpg

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4th Queen’s:

201399, Pte William Betts, Serving with the Royal Sussex Regiment (4/4041)

1st/4th Queen’s

200454 (formerly 1893), LCpl William Stanley Bartlett, Croydon, attached to 2nd Bn, Norfolk Regiment. Died at Angora, 30 September 1916

(Entitled to 15 Star Trio, Landed India with 1/4th Bn 12/5/1915 Son of James William and Emily Bartlett. 21 Southwell Road Croydon Born at Croydon, Surrey. Appears in Croydon and the Great War book - Dont have a copy to hand ATM)

200488 (formerly 1936), Pte Robert Burn, Croydon

(Entitled to 15 Trio, Landed in India with 1/4th Bn 12/5/1915 Died Oct 30th 1916 POW Yarbadn? Camp Turkey. Husband of A. Speed (formerly Burn), of 91, Langham Rd., Teddington, Middx. / Miss Burn (S) 46 Elgin Road Croydon, Appears in Croydon and the Great War book - Dont have a copy to hand ATM)

15181 (formerly 1829) Cpl Henry G Stafford, Limpsfield

(T-1581 (Later L-13209) Entitled to 15 Trio Landed India 14/8/1915 - Returned to England and re-enlisted in the Queen's serving as L-13209)

2nd/4th Queen’s:

200943, Pte George F Doubell (or Dowbell), Croydon

(T-2537 George Frederick, Entitled 15 Star Trio Landed 17/7/1915 with 2/4th Bn Discharged 13/4/1919)

201779 (formerly T/4024), Pte Benjamin J Hogsden, Croydon

(Benjamin James, Entitled to 15 Trio Landed 15/11/1915 Disembodied 25/3/1919)

202143 (formerly 4559) Cpl Albert E Holloway, Long Ditton. Also shown as serving with 1st/5th Queen’s

203008 (formerly T/4164), Pte Edwin P Kearn, Redhill

(Living 3 Garibaldi Road Redhill Surrey, appears in Surrey Mirror 13th Feb 1917 listed as Casualty)

202083 (formerly T/4494), Pte Thomas H Roberts, Walton on Thames

202104 (formerly T/4515), Pte Alfred Taylor, Uckfield, Sussex

206499 (formerly 2964), Pte William Welland, Died at Damascus 3 July 1917 and buried at the Damascus Commonwealth War Cemetery

(Entitled to 15 Trio, Landed 17/7/1915)

201229 (formerly T/3048), Sgt Gordon William Wildy (or Wildey), Croydon

(Entitled 15 Trio, Landed 17/7/1915, POW Kelchek? Turkey, Disembodied 30/5/1919)

1st/5th Queen’s:

240059 (formerly 768), Pte Frederick G Bartlett, Guildford. Died 27 November 1916

(Frederick George, Entitled to 15 Trio, Landed 12/5/1915, NOK Mr Bartlett 47 George Road Guildford)

240366 (formerly T/1975), Pte Owen Bridger, Middle Bourne near Farnham

(Entitled 15 Trio, Landed 13/8/1915, NOK Mr Bridger (Father) Yew Tree Cottage Middle Bourne Farnham, Disembodied 22/3/1919)

240126 (formerly 1398), Pte Arthur Cook, Camberley, Died at Shawran 9 May 1916. Attached to 2nd Bn Norfolk Regiment

(Entitled 15 Trio, Landed 12/5/1915)

240189 (formerly 1543), Pte Horace Maxfield, Wanborough. Died as 22 August 1916. Buried Baghdad (North Gate) War Cemetery

(15 Trio, Landed 13/8/1915, Son of Mr. J. Maxfield, of West Flaxford Cottage, Wanborough, Guildford, Surrey.)

240029 (formerly 279), Sgt Edward James Mortimer. Died 31 July 1916. Commemorated on the Basra Memorial. His name is also recorded in the POW Book as Nortimer.

(15 Trio, Landed 12/5/1915, From Dorking)

240677, Pte Joseph Edward Neale, Hungerford, Berkshire. Died 29 April 1916. Attached to 2nd Bn Norfolk Regt. Buried at Kut War Cemetery

(Son of Joseph Edward and Rachel Neale, of High St., Hungerford, Berks.)

2053, Pte James Colin Preedy, Godalming. Died 29 April 1916. Buried Baghdad (North Gate) War Cemetery

(Son of William and Louisa Preedy, of Hurtmore, Godalming, Surrey.)

T/1448, Pte Alfred J Seagrave, Horsham, Sussex. Attached to 2nd Bn Norfolk Regt.

(T-240148 Alfred James, Ent 15 Trio, Landed 13/8/1915, Little Haven Lane Horsham)

240147 (formerly 1447), Pte Walter Wilfred Watson, Reigate. Died at Yarbachis

(Ent 15 Trio, Landed 13/8/1915, Elm View St Marys Road Reigate Surrey)

759 (possibly 240058), Pte Jack White, Bagshot. Died of Dysentery, Died 28 August 1916. Buried Baghdad (North Gate) War Cemetery

(Ent 15 Trio, Landed 13/8/1915)

Battalion not Stated:

200229 (formerly 1628), Cpl Arthur F Fuller. Dead 1917 or 1918

(See above)

240395 (formerly 2035), Pte Henry G Simmonds. Turkish POW. May 1916.

(Henry George, Ent 15 Trio, Landed 7/12/1915 1/5th Bn, Farncombe, 1 Summers Road)

1517, Pte E Wellbelove. Possibly 23172 Earnest A Wellbelove. Wounded at Ctestiphon

No Trace Found:

3694, Sgt A Ward

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Doug,

I have sent you a PM.

Neiluwins,

thank you for the information. It is much appreciated.

The book appears to have been put together during 1916 when Colonel Elias Morgan relinquished command of the Depot and Mrs Warren took over the running of the POW Comfort Fund from his wife as I have found a number of men who either died, escaped or were repatriated prior to then who do not appear in the book.

As I have mentioned I have indexed the book and am working my way through the entries trying to correctly identify all the men. I am also working out what to do with regard to the information in the book relating to both the men's relatives and the people and organisations who adopted them.

I am hoping to use the book, along with other material held at the History Centre, TNA and the IWM, for a study on how Surrey, the County Regiments and supporting organisations, provided support for POWs.

Does anybody know if the Charity Commissioners still keep old accounts of organisations registered under the War Charities Act, 1916?

regards

Bootneck

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There is an Edward Wellbelove, 1517 Norfolk Regiment, 240174 East Surrey Regiment, who possibly could be the man I have mentioned as 'strangers' do creep into the book.

I have also noticed that gremlins got into my original post as I managed to call somebody Earnest instead of Ernest. Thanks for not pointing this out.

regards

Bootneck

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Extra Details from Croydon and the Great War

Bartlett, William Stanley, L.Cpl 1/4 RWS Regt

b Harvey Road Camberwell 2 Nov 1889, James William & Emily Bartlett, 21 Southwell Road Croydon.

Educ Boston Road Sch Croydon. Single. Wood Machinist. Enl in Territorials 8 years before war, Mobilised 5 Aug 1914, Went to India Oct 1914

Served Persian Gulf, Baghdad, Kut-el-Amara, w Ctesiphon 21 Dec 1915 taken Pris at Kut Died at Entilli Turkey as a result of his wounds, ill treatment and starvation Sept 1916

(No Photo)

Burn, Robert pte 4 RWS Regt

b Kensington 3 Apr 1885 s Mr & Mrs Wm Burn 46 Elgin Road Croydon Educ M Whitgift Sch Married Designer

Enl Aug 1914 taken pris at Kut D in Hospital at Yarbachi Oct 1916

(No Photo)

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Neiluwins

Thank you once again for the additinal information. I have access to Croydon and the Great War but keep forgetting to use it.

regards

Bootneck

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Hi There Bootneck, :D

No surprise I guess but I would like to know more about the following Neale family member if possible!

240677, Pte Joseph Edward Neale, Hungerford, Berkshire. Died 29 April 1916. Attached to 2nd Bn Norfolk Regt. Buried at Kut War Cemetery.

Anything would be of help, medals, death plaque, scroll etc......that would be nice but any information would also be great. :thumbsup:

All the best and a nice research subject. :poppy:

Regards,

Chris Neale.

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I was interested to hear about the book containing names of POW's from the Royal West Surrey Regiment. Does anyone know if the same thing exists for the East Surreys as my Grandad was an East Surrey man taken prisoner in April 1918 and about whom I have so far found nothing.

Bitsa.

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Chris

Will have a look to see what there is tonight. I must apologise as I have not looked at this part of the Forum for a while.

Bitsa

There is very little with regard to ESR POWs at the Surrey History Centre. It was not helped by the fact that at one stage there were 3 different POW Relief Committees.

There are newspaper reports scattered through two scrap books, but it is hard going.

regards

Duncan

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Hi Duncan,

no worries, as and when you get time will be fine......

It is that time of the year when life is even more crazy than normal :wacko:

All the best and thanks in advance.

Chris Neale.

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Chris

Sorry to say there is not much more than what I put in the first post of this thread except that he was the last man entered under N and the following remark:

29. 1. 1919 C C [Confirmed Casualty?] Information from Reverend Sparrow.

regards

Duncan

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Hi Duncan,

Many thanks for looking, at least I have something to go on and that is more than I had before this thread started.

And I thank you all for that. :thumbsup:

All the best with research etc.

Chris Neale.

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Mates,

How can I find out what British soldiers were taken prisoner by the Turks in Nov 1917 and where they were taken?

S.B

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Have you tried contacting the Queen's Museum?

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S. B.

Are you looking for a particular man or unit, or just in general?

All The Queen's POWs taken by the Turks and still in captivity from 1916 onwards are listed in post 1.

There might be lists of all POWs taken by them during the war at the National Archives possibly in FO 383.

regards

Duncan

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There is an Edward Wellbelove, 1517 Norfolk Regiment, 240174 East Surrey Regiment, who possibly could be the man I have mentioned as 'strangers' do creep into the book.

Hi, if anyone is still following this post. Edward Wellbelove above is the E Wellbelove from the Surrey POW lists that 'Bootneck' mentioned in the Surrey History Centre's POW book. Edward's service records show he was presumed taken POW after the fall of Kut-al-Amar, 29 Apr 1916. His date of death is given as 'between 29 Apr 1916 & 31 Dec 1916 at Yarbaschi'. No cause of death is given. He was attached to the 2nd Norfolk's from the East Surrey regiment & his death was witnessed by a fellow POW and member of the 2nd Norfolk's. Edward appears in the CWGC with date of death as 31 Dec 1916 and burial in Baghdad.

Regards,

Alan Wellbelove

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Alan

Thank you for the information. Having looked at his service papers I can understand how he comes to be entered into the QRWS POW book.

The entry in the QRWS POW book reads as follows:

1517 Pte E Wellbelove wounded at Ctestiphon & went down stream

29.1.19 C.C. news rec[eived]: from Rev Spooner Turkish Pris[oner]

Since originally posting this thread I have found another 13 men reported as POWs in Turkish hands who do not appear in the book as well as another 135 who were in German hands.

regards

Bootneck

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Bootneck

Thank you for the extra information. Edward was posted to the 2nd Norfolks as part of the Indian Expeditionary Force, 5 May 1915. The Battle of Ctestiphon took place Nov 1915, but his army records show presumed taken POW on fall of Kut-al-Amara, 29 Apr 1916, and no mention of being wounded in any previous engagement, i.e. Ctestiphon. The witness was No.7645 L/C (E?) Daynes 2nd Norfolks released P of War'.

Could Edward have been wounded at Ctestiphon as part of the wider engagement at kut-al-Amara, 1916, rather than specifically at the 'Battle of Ctestiphon, 1915'. Hope this makes sense.

Regards,

Alan

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Alan

My knowledge of these campaigns is best described as 'sketchy' but I have an idea that Ctestiphon is further up river than Kut and I figure that Edward was wounded at Ctestiphon and sent to Kut. It is possible that he was not so seriously wounded that he needed to be evacuated further down river and thus formed part of the garrison.

I have recently come across another 13 men from The Queen's who appear to have been captured by the Turks, and who do not appear in the QRWS POW book, bringing the total to 42. This is only a small number in comparison to those captured by the Germans, but it will make them an interesting group to studt.

regards

Bootneck

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Bootnek,

Can you check for the following man please:

Charles Richard Brockwell, G/4647, 2/Queen's

His service record contains details of a letter written by him from a Turkish Hospital where he states he was capture on 10th March 1916. No further letters were received from him and in 1920 the authorities wrote to his next of kin, informing them he was to be considered as a War casualty.

I have looked in the Regimental History but there is nothing covering the defence of Kut-al-Mara.

Regards,

Andrewr

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