garethcaergwrle Posted 23 February , 2009 Share Posted 23 February , 2009 I have been unable to trace any information regarding these gentlemen other than Pte John W Ithell served with the 3rd Battalion East Lancs 1/39368 DoW 6/11/1918 Age 19 Pte T Ithell served with the 3rd Lans Fusiliers I believe both men were from the village of kinnerton, Chester and although they had an unusual surname it has been a frustrating business tracking them down Could anybody shed some light on them? Regards Gareth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apwright Posted 23 February , 2009 Share Posted 23 February , 2009 SDGW: Name: John William ITHELL Regiment, Corps etc.: East Lancashire Regiment Battalion etc.: 11th Battalion. Last name: Ithell First name(s): John William Initials: J W Birthplace: Kinnerton, Flint Enlisted: Wrexham, Denbigh Residence: Kinnerton Rank: PRIVATE Number: 39308 Date died: 6 November 1918 How died: Died of wounds Theatre of war: France & Flanders Name: Thomas ITHELL Regiment, Corps etc.: Sherwood Foresters (Nottinghamshire and Derbyshire Regiment) Battalion etc.: 11th Battalion. Last name: Ithell First name(s): Thomas Initials: T Birthplace: Kinnerton, Cheshire Enlisted: Preston, Lancs Residence: Kinnerton, Cheshire Rank: PRIVATE Number: 74317 Date died: 22 October 1918 How died: Killed in action Theatre of war: France & Flanders Supplementary Notes: FORMERLY 137573, R.F.A. Thomas's service record is on Ancestry! Adrian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Michelle Young Posted 23 February , 2009 Admin Share Posted 23 February , 2009 http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...asualty=4025885 http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=572304 Michelle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apwright Posted 23 February , 2009 Share Posted 23 February , 2009 According to somebody's family tree on Ancestry, they were cousins (their fathers were brothers). Thomas (born c.1892) son of William and Ann. According to his service record, he married Ida PIERCY in Chester 23/1/18. John William (born 1899) son of John and Mary. Due to Ancestry's blunder , the tree-owner thinks that John died in Aldershot... Adrian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garethcaergwrle Posted 24 February , 2009 Author Share Posted 24 February , 2009 Excellent thanks to all who have helped out Regards Gareth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebriggs Posted 24 February , 2009 Share Posted 24 February , 2009 Tom Ithell was in a group of men that were posted from the 11th Battn Lancs Fusiliers to the 11th Battn Sherwood Foresters perhaps late '16 early '17 cheers Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apwright Posted 24 February , 2009 Share Posted 24 February , 2009 Mike, His service record states that he was "compulsorily and permanently transferred" to 11/N&DR on 21/10/18 - the day before he died. Perhaps to make up numbers for an attack? Adrian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebriggs Posted 24 February , 2009 Share Posted 24 February , 2009 Adrian Thats interesting, I thought that the 74*** numbers were issued much earlier, but thats certainly worth knowing, many thanks I'll look through the 11 N & D War Diaries tonight and see what was going on, there were certainly heavily engaged at that time. The Battalion History is here:- http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancest...ters/index.html page 148/149 is for Oct 18 cheers Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garethcaergwrle Posted 1 March , 2009 Author Share Posted 1 March , 2009 Mike did you have any luck with the war diaries? from the regimental history it seems that the 11th were at Maretz until the 23rd preparing for the Battle of Honnechy Could they have come under fire at Maretz on the 22nd? Regards Gareth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebriggs Posted 1 March , 2009 Share Posted 1 March , 2009 Sorry Gareth forgot all about it but here we go now:- Oct 19-21 @ HONNECHY. Enemy aircraft bombed the billets occupied by Bde runners, signallers and observers and as a result 1 OR killed and 20 ORs wounded of this battalion att to Bde. One of the planes was fired on by one of our Lewis gun anti-aircraft guards and there is every reason to believe that he was successful in bringing it down. Lt A D PARKIN MC joined the battalion. Oct 22 @ HONNECHY. The following officers of the Ox & Bucks LI joined the battalion:- 2nd Lts G JARVIS, H A NEWMAN, H HEMMINGS, J PICKARD, C G TODD, R L CUBBINGTON and J AUSTIN from MGC. NOW, whats interesting is that in Tom's service record (Form B 103) it states that Tom was a signaller (dated 12/10/18), bet he was in those billets ?? cheers Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebriggs Posted 1 March , 2009 Share Posted 1 March , 2009 here it is:- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garethcaergwrle Posted 2 March , 2009 Author Share Posted 2 March , 2009 Brilliant! Would have to believe he died in or as a result of that air raid thanks Mike Gareth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ithell15 Posted 11 August , 2009 Share Posted 11 August , 2009 I have been unable to trace any information regarding these gentlemen other than Pte John W Ithell served with the 3rd Battalion East Lancs 1/39368 DoW 6/11/1918 Age 19 Pte T Ithell served with the 3rd Lans Fusiliers I believe both men were from the village of kinnerton, Chester and although they had an unusual surname it has been a frustrating business tracking them down Could anybody shed some light on them? Regards Gareth Hi Gareth , Darren Hughes here, John William Ithell and Thomas Ithell are great uncles to me, my grandfather Arthur Ithell lived in Hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Karen Ithell Posted 27 January , 2014 Share Posted 27 January , 2014 Hi, Gareth and the rest of you.....both were grand uncles of mine..... My great grandmother lived at the Dale in Kinnerton and had a picture of John in his uniform on the wall for the rest of her life...... It took me a trip to Wimereux and his grave to find out who he was..... I though he was my great grandfather for years... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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