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Ord. Tel. C.H. Barnard


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Any way of finding which North Sea trawler this chap was on? I think he survived the war but there is a C.H. Barnard on CWGC in the R.N.V.R.

Any info at all on this chap much appreciated.

regards,

Dean.

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Dean, the only C H Barnard in the Admiralty casualty lists is the one you found on the CWGC.

Intrigueingly, he was on the Mersey Examination Vessel No 1, which could well have been a trawler, as Drifters and trawlers were often used as examination vessels.

Best wishes

David

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David, yes that got me thinking, but could you go from ORD. TEL. to Lieut. in a couple of years?

Joseph,

the only detail i have is that his name appears in the 'Holly Leaf', a magazine published at Sheffield's Teacher Training Center, stating that he was an old boy giving a talk on his perioda at sea on a trawler patrolling in the North Sea. This was Dec 1916.

Dean.

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Dean, what details do you have? Ord. Tel. is a naval 'other rank' to use an army term and their service registers are online, but there are 173 documents found for the surname Barnard.

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RNVR records are also online this could be your man:

Name Barnard, Cecil Harmer

Service Number: TZ/7619

RNVR Division: Tyneside

Date of birth: 22 November 1895

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documen...;resultcount=20

Lt Barnard, Charles Henry's record is also online:

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documen...;resultcount=20

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could you go from ORD. TEL. to Lieut. in a couple of years?

Yes, several members of the RND in particular did so after Gallipoli. In the RFC the greatest leap I've seen for a pre war regular to go from OR to acting Brigadier General.

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per ardua, i have downloaded Cecils paper, can i post the pdf. on here for a decipher of what it all means?

Dean.

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Here with Cecils paper, if its unreadable i'll type out what i think it says and post that.

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Hi,

i'll go the long way and type what i think it all says! Question mark against what confuses me!

Date and period of engagements.

2 OCL? 1915 - Hostilities.

M. CS? 1 April 1919.

Ships served in. List. No. Rating. Period of service.

R.N.D. Ord. Sig. 4 Feb 1916.

Sabrinia? (Grand Duke) 229 18 Ord. Sig. 5 Feb - 4 May

14

Pembroke? 14z 2758 Ord. Sig. 5 May 16 - 9 May 16

Wallington? 5rnvr 70 Ord. Tel. 10 May

Saul? 1436 2 1 Oct 16

" " " Teleg 18 Mar 16 - 18 Mar 18?

Gunner ( Vi???? ) 12/126 10 Teleg 19 Mar 18- 30 Mar 18

Ganges II ( " ) 12/156 8 Teleg 1 Dec 18 - 15 April 19

Pekin ( Cotswold ) 12 Mise? 83 Teleg 19 Apr 19 - 30 Nov 19 Shore Demob.

12 RNRXIV

Sub Ratings & Badges Ceased Character & Ability

C Date A

Watch Keeping 11/5/16 18/11/16

G.I.? 3/10/18 NG? 31.12.16 Sat.?

N.G 31/12/17 Sat.

N.G. 31/12/18 Sat.

N.G. 30/10/19

REMARKS.

per MCH? '17 Wallington

AWO 2765 of 27/7/17 awarded 'D.S.M.'

(???? also London Gazette of 20/7/17 )

(1) Over 3 years 4/10/18?

Paid War Gratuity H.M.S. "Pekin" List 45 ( Grimsby ).?

Please take it that there is a question mark against all of this, and any decipher of it all would be most welcome.

regards,

Dean.

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Dean,

He joined the RNVR as he was over 18 he was Ord Tel and did his Telegraphy course at Crystal Palace

Sabrina M Class Destroyer Parent ship for Grand Duke Minesweeping Trawler 327 tons 1 x 12 pdr registered in Grimsby

Wallington Depot ship on the Humber

Gunner Depot on the Forth at Granton, the name in brackets is the ship he served on

Ganges II training ship at Shotley

Pekin Depot at Grimsby

G1 Awarded 1st Good Conduct badge 03/10/1918

NG is his Character assesment which is Satisfactory.

Per Mar Wallington is an entry in Wallingtons Ledger for march 1917

(1) Over 3 years 4/10/18? more pay for serving 3 years at AB level

Have a search on the forum for war gratuity lots on it

A google for the ships could come up with something

Sadsac will come up with the info on the DSM

Regards Charles

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Charles, as ever, excellent.

thank you

Dean.

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The London Gazette entry:

Gazette Issue 30194 published on the 20 July 1917. Page 7425

http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/issues/30...upplements/7425

The original recommendation file can probably be found looking for his name in the ADM 12 indexes. See here for the research guide:

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalog...?sLeafletID=380

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per ardua, thank you very much

regards,

Dean.

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  • 5 years later...

Dean, the only C H Barnard in the Admiralty casualty lists is the one you found on the CWGC.

Intrigueingly, he was on the Mersey Examination Vessel No 1, which could well have been a trawler, as Drifters and trawlers were often used as examination vessels.

Best wishes

David

I suspect that the three officers lost on 28 December 1917 who are ascribed to HM Mersey Examination Vessel No 1 may well have been aboard the Liverpool No. 1 Pilot Boat, Alfred H Read, mined at the Mersey Bar. They were all men based in Liverpool or the Wirral. I can find no other casualties to the named Examination Vessel but the Pilot Boat went down with only two survivors.

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If anyone is still following this one then Ian is correct above with No.1 Pilot Boat "Alfred H. Read"

There were 43 men on board and only 3 survived according to a contemporary report in a local newspaper.

I attach part of this below, if anyone wants the full account then PM me with an e-mail address.

BillyH.

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Got there in the end, excellent BillyH,

much appreciated

Dean.

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