deano Posted 31 January , 2009 Share Posted 31 January , 2009 Any way of finding which North Sea trawler this chap was on? I think he survived the war but there is a C.H. Barnard on CWGC in the R.N.V.R. Any info at all on this chap much appreciated. regards, Dean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseph Posted 31 January , 2009 Share Posted 31 January , 2009 Dean, Any more information Date/Place of birth, when he joined etc. Regards Charles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
historydavid Posted 1 February , 2009 Share Posted 1 February , 2009 Dean, the only C H Barnard in the Admiralty casualty lists is the one you found on the CWGC. Intrigueingly, he was on the Mersey Examination Vessel No 1, which could well have been a trawler, as Drifters and trawlers were often used as examination vessels. Best wishes David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deano Posted 1 February , 2009 Author Share Posted 1 February , 2009 David, yes that got me thinking, but could you go from ORD. TEL. to Lieut. in a couple of years? Joseph, the only detail i have is that his name appears in the 'Holly Leaf', a magazine published at Sheffield's Teacher Training Center, stating that he was an old boy giving a talk on his perioda at sea on a trawler patrolling in the North Sea. This was Dec 1916. Dean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
per ardua per mare per terram Posted 1 February , 2009 Share Posted 1 February , 2009 Dean, what details do you have? Ord. Tel. is a naval 'other rank' to use an army term and their service registers are online, but there are 173 documents found for the surname Barnard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
per ardua per mare per terram Posted 1 February , 2009 Share Posted 1 February , 2009 RNVR records are also online this could be your man: Name Barnard, Cecil Harmer Service Number: TZ/7619 RNVR Division: Tyneside Date of birth: 22 November 1895 http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documen...;resultcount=20 Lt Barnard, Charles Henry's record is also online: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documen...;resultcount=20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
per ardua per mare per terram Posted 1 February , 2009 Share Posted 1 February , 2009 could you go from ORD. TEL. to Lieut. in a couple of years? Yes, several members of the RND in particular did so after Gallipoli. In the RFC the greatest leap I've seen for a pre war regular to go from OR to acting Brigadier General. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deano Posted 1 February , 2009 Author Share Posted 1 February , 2009 per ardua, i have downloaded Cecils paper, can i post the pdf. on here for a decipher of what it all means? Dean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
per ardua per mare per terram Posted 1 February , 2009 Share Posted 1 February , 2009 Yes, as long as it is less than 100 kb! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deano Posted 1 February , 2009 Author Share Posted 1 February , 2009 Here with Cecils paper, if its unreadable i'll type out what i think it says and post that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseph Posted 1 February , 2009 Share Posted 1 February , 2009 Difficult to read Dean, could you cut the relevant bits and post them? Regards Charles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deano Posted 2 February , 2009 Author Share Posted 2 February , 2009 Hi, i'll go the long way and type what i think it all says! Question mark against what confuses me! Date and period of engagements. 2 OCL? 1915 - Hostilities. M. CS? 1 April 1919. Ships served in. List. No. Rating. Period of service. R.N.D. Ord. Sig. 4 Feb 1916. Sabrinia? (Grand Duke) 229 18 Ord. Sig. 5 Feb - 4 May 14 Pembroke? 14z 2758 Ord. Sig. 5 May 16 - 9 May 16 Wallington? 5rnvr 70 Ord. Tel. 10 May Saul? 1436 2 1 Oct 16 " " " Teleg 18 Mar 16 - 18 Mar 18? Gunner ( Vi???? ) 12/126 10 Teleg 19 Mar 18- 30 Mar 18 Ganges II ( " ) 12/156 8 Teleg 1 Dec 18 - 15 April 19 Pekin ( Cotswold ) 12 Mise? 83 Teleg 19 Apr 19 - 30 Nov 19 Shore Demob. 12 RNRXIV Sub Ratings & Badges Ceased Character & Ability C Date A Watch Keeping 11/5/16 18/11/16 G.I.? 3/10/18 NG? 31.12.16 Sat.? N.G 31/12/17 Sat. N.G. 31/12/18 Sat. N.G. 30/10/19 REMARKS. per MCH? '17 Wallington AWO 2765 of 27/7/17 awarded 'D.S.M.' (???? also London Gazette of 20/7/17 ) (1) Over 3 years 4/10/18? Paid War Gratuity H.M.S. "Pekin" List 45 ( Grimsby ).? Please take it that there is a question mark against all of this, and any decipher of it all would be most welcome. regards, Dean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseph Posted 2 February , 2009 Share Posted 2 February , 2009 Dean, He joined the RNVR as he was over 18 he was Ord Tel and did his Telegraphy course at Crystal Palace Sabrina M Class Destroyer Parent ship for Grand Duke Minesweeping Trawler 327 tons 1 x 12 pdr registered in Grimsby Wallington Depot ship on the Humber Gunner Depot on the Forth at Granton, the name in brackets is the ship he served on Ganges II training ship at Shotley Pekin Depot at Grimsby G1 Awarded 1st Good Conduct badge 03/10/1918 NG is his Character assesment which is Satisfactory. Per Mar Wallington is an entry in Wallingtons Ledger for march 1917 (1) Over 3 years 4/10/18? more pay for serving 3 years at AB level Have a search on the forum for war gratuity lots on it A google for the ships could come up with something Sadsac will come up with the info on the DSM Regards Charles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deano Posted 2 February , 2009 Author Share Posted 2 February , 2009 Charles, as ever, excellent. thank you Dean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
per ardua per mare per terram Posted 2 February , 2009 Share Posted 2 February , 2009 The London Gazette entry: Gazette Issue 30194 published on the 20 July 1917. Page 7425 http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/issues/30...upplements/7425 The original recommendation file can probably be found looking for his name in the ADM 12 indexes. See here for the research guide: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalog...?sLeafletID=380 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deano Posted 2 February , 2009 Author Share Posted 2 February , 2009 per ardua, thank you very much regards, Dean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Riley Posted 13 May , 2014 Share Posted 13 May , 2014 Dean, the only C H Barnard in the Admiralty casualty lists is the one you found on the CWGC. Intrigueingly, he was on the Mersey Examination Vessel No 1, which could well have been a trawler, as Drifters and trawlers were often used as examination vessels. Best wishes David I suspect that the three officers lost on 28 December 1917 who are ascribed to HM Mersey Examination Vessel No 1 may well have been aboard the Liverpool No. 1 Pilot Boat, Alfred H Read, mined at the Mersey Bar. They were all men based in Liverpool or the Wirral. I can find no other casualties to the named Examination Vessel but the Pilot Boat went down with only two survivors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyH Posted 28 May , 2015 Share Posted 28 May , 2015 If anyone is still following this one then Ian is correct above with No.1 Pilot Boat "Alfred H. Read" There were 43 men on board and only 3 survived according to a contemporary report in a local newspaper. I attach part of this below, if anyone wants the full account then PM me with an e-mail address. BillyH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deano Posted 28 May , 2015 Author Share Posted 28 May , 2015 Got there in the end, excellent BillyH, much appreciated Dean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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