Guest Ian Bowbrick Posted 14 March , 2004 Share Posted 14 March , 2004 One for Rosemary I think......... Came across the diary entry stating that 5 men of the 3/Worcesters were all shot at dawn on 26 July 1915. The five being Cpl Ives & Ptes Fellows, Hartells, Robinson & Thompson. The reason was desertion. What is the story behind this - was it a mass desertion or making what appears to be an extreme example to a particular Battalion? Thanks - Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Hartley Posted 14 March , 2004 Share Posted 14 March , 2004 Certainly not a mass desertion according to "Shot at Dawn". Ives had gone absent on 15/9/14 and was arrested wearing civvies on 24/6/15. Court martial all recommended mercy (at which the book expresses surprise in view of the circumstances) Fellows went absent as orders were recieved for an attack, in mid June. No details are given for Hartells. Robinson & Thompson deserted together on 27/6/15. Putkowski & Sykes make no case that the executions were connected or were needed for an "extreme example". Seems to be just a set of co-incidences to my reading John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ian Bowbrick Posted 15 March , 2004 Share Posted 15 March , 2004 John, Many thanks - without knowing the facts a lot could be read into this. It just appeared to be more of a coincidence that they were all executed on the same day. Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmtruby Posted 1 April , 2005 Share Posted 1 April , 2005 The Black Country Bugle (17th March 2005, page 31) mentioned that the Worcestershire Regiment suffered eight executions, including 'six' men on the same day. Could anyone confirm whether there were five or six men executed on the same day? Also, does anyone have any information on the other two Worcestershire men? The Royal Warwickshire Regiment suffered five executions and the South Staffordshire Regiment suffered four executions during the war. Can anyone verify this information with more details? Thanks Ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CROONAERT Posted 1 April , 2005 Share Posted 1 April , 2005 The Black Country Bugle (17th March 2005, page 31) mentioned that the Worcestershire Regiment suffered eight executions, including 'six' men on the same day. Could anyone confirm whether there were five or six men executed on the same day? According to "Death Sentences passed by military courts of the British Army 1914-24" by Gerard Oram, along with "Shot at dawn" by Putkowski and Sykes, there were just (!) the 5 on this day. Dave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmtruby Posted 1 April , 2005 Share Posted 1 April , 2005 Thanks very much. Any information on the Royal Warwickshire Regiment and the South Staffordshire Regiment executions? Thanks Ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Lynott Posted 1 April , 2005 Share Posted 1 April , 2005 Ray, The other 3 Worcs were Pte 8662 O.W. Hodgetts 1st Bn on 4/6/15 Sgt 13216 J.T. Wall 3rd Bn on 6/9/17 Pte 204232 R. Young 11th Bn on 18/9/18 The RWarks Pte 8747 A. Pitts 2nd Bn on 8/2/15 Pte 1529 S.H. Cunnington 2nd Bn on 19/5/17 Pte 2676 A.G. Earp 1/5th Bn on 22/7/16 Pte 200757 C. Britton 1/5th Bn on 12/9/17 Pte 17402 F. Broadrick 11th Bn on 1/8/17 The SStaffs Pte 8793 J. Taylor 2nd Bn on 6/11/17 Pte 200945 J. Bateman 2nd Bn on 3/12/17 L/Cpl 9541 F. Hawthorne 1/5th Bn on 11/8/16 Pte 12772 A. Botfield 9th Bn on 18/10/16 Kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmtruby Posted 1 April , 2005 Share Posted 1 April , 2005 Thanks again for the information. Ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest geoff501 Posted 1 April , 2005 Share Posted 1 April , 2005 Came across the diary entry stating that 5 men of the 3/Worcesters were all shot at dawn on 26 July 1915. The five being Cpl Ives & Ptes Fellows, Hartells, Robinson & Thompson. The reason was desertion. Try this link: http://www.worcestershireregiment.com/wr.p...nc/shot_at_dawn regards, Geoff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Hodgson Posted 8 April , 2005 Share Posted 8 April , 2005 One for Rosemary I think......... Came across the diary entry stating that 5 men of the 3/Worcesters were all shot at dawn on 26 July 1915. The five being Cpl Ives & Ptes Fellows, Hartells, Robinson & Thompson. The reason was desertion. What is the story behind this - was it a mass desertion or making what appears to be an extreme example to a particular Battalion? Thanks - Ian <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hi Ian I am the writer of the Bugle article and I am sorry to say am in error giving six Worcestershire SAD on the one day. I hope the other details are correct. A follow up article on Private Bateman is due to be published very shortly and I am just putting the finishing touches to a third piece giving the basic outline for the others. The Bateman article uses the Court Martial papers from the NA but for the other men I have only used 'Shot at Dawn' and 'For the Sake of Example'. The intention is to raise awareness of the fact that these men from the local area or in local regiments suffered as they did. This does not excuse my giving incorrect information and I am pleased that you have pointed it out. Interestingly enough I only joined the Forum a few days ago other wise I would have been none the wiser. I do generally check my scribblings but will do so more rigourously in future. Best wishes Graham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Hodgson Posted 8 April , 2005 Share Posted 8 April , 2005 The Black Country Bugle (17th March 2005, page 31) mentioned that the Worcestershire Regiment suffered eight executions, including 'six' men on the same day. Could anyone confirm whether there were five or six men executed on the same day? Also, does anyone have any information on the other two Worcestershire men? The Royal Warwickshire Regiment suffered five executions and the South Staffordshire Regiment suffered four executions during the war. Can anyone verify this information with more details? Thanks Ray <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hello Ray I am the writer of the Bugle article and have managed to make another mistake because I have just posted an explanation to Ian Bowbrick that I think probably should have gone to you. I am new to the Forum and do not seem to have made too good a start. Please accept my apology for the error in the article and for messing up the post - I can only improve. Concerning the article I am not an expert on SAD but write occasional articles for the Bugle highlighting Great War links with the Black Country and although my articles are not of a scholarly nature they should be accurate. Perhaps it is time to retire. Hope next time we speak I will not feel a wally. Graham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianw Posted 8 April , 2005 Share Posted 8 April , 2005 Graham - don't be too hard on yourself and thanks for correcting things so fast. Welcome to the Forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Carter Posted 10 April , 2005 Share Posted 10 April , 2005 Three of the five men shot on 26 July 1915 were from Birmingham and possibly the other two might have been. I wonder what made them desert? Terry (Birmingham) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john w. Posted 10 April , 2005 Share Posted 10 April , 2005 Knew I had been there... I have a similar photo to this, and to me it had hardly changed at all John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmtruby Posted 11 April , 2005 Share Posted 11 April , 2005 Hi Graham. Thanks for the reply. Welcome to the forum. Don't worry about that one mistake. I thought the article was great. Look forward to future articles. Thanks Ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brummie Nick Posted 26 April , 2005 Share Posted 26 April , 2005 Ray, The other 3 Worcs were Pte 8662 O.W. Hodgetts 1st Bn on 4/6/15 I find this 8662 number interesting, my fathers was 8769 1st Bn Worcs, and he would have been there at that time, I suppose he would have known about the execution. Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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