At Home Dad Posted 24 November , 2008 Share Posted 24 November , 2008 Hallo all "..company training took place in Weald and Thorndon Parks, where the first casualty occurred, 2nd Lt Buxton, assistant manager of the Stratford Empire, being thrown from his horse and fracturing the base of his skull" Burrows 13th Battalion History, pg 388 However, the War Diary says Pte Price was first casualty of the Regiment. I dont know if that means 'first casualty in Theatre'? 11th December 1915, Le Preol, France. No 17555 Private Percy Victor Price, "B" Coy, was killed in the trenches. This was the First Casualty of the Regiment" http://www.cwgc.org/search/certificate.aspx? But 2nd Lt Buxton has no CWGC headstone Kind regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc2 Posted 24 November , 2008 Share Posted 24 November , 2008 Hallo all "..company training took place in Weald and Thorndon Parks, where the first casualty occurred, 2nd Lt Buxton, assistant manager of the Stratford Empire, being thrown from his horse and fracturing the base of his skull" Burrows 13th Battalion History, pg 388 However, the War Diary says Pte Price was first casualty of the Regiment. I dont know if that means 'first casualty in Theatre'? 11th December 1915, Le Preol, France. No 17555 Private Percy Victor Price, "B" Coy, was killed in the trenches. This was the First Casualty of the Regiment" http://www.cwgc.org/search/certificate.aspx? But 2nd Lt Buxton has no CWGC headstone Kind regards LT Buxton may not have died from his skull fracture-- thus no CWGC headstone.... I don't know, but this appears to be a logical possibility. "Casualty" does not mean "death", but also in common usage denotes "injured". I wonder if this is the case here. Doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auchonvillerssomme Posted 24 November , 2008 Share Posted 24 November , 2008 I would suggest first casualty in action. Name: SARLING Initials: W Nationality: United Kingdom Rank: Private Regiment/Service: Essex Regiment Unit Text: 13th Bn. Date of Death: 27/02/1915 Service No: 18332 Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead Grave/Memorial Reference: Memorial Plaque Cemetery: EAST HAM (ST. MARY MAGDALENE) CHURCHYARD Name: NEWELL Initials: H J Nationality: United Kingdom Rank: Private Regiment/Service: Essex Regiment Unit Text: 13th Bn. Date of Death: 29/06/1915 Service No: 17332 Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead Grave/Memorial Reference: D. 153. Cemetery: GREAT WARLEY (CHRIST CHURCH) CEMETERY Name: STEWARD Initials: S L Nationality: United Kingdom Rank: Private Regiment/Service: Essex Regiment Unit Text: 13th Bn. Date of Death: 04/09/1915 Service No: 18445 Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead Cemetery: LEYTON (ST. MARY WITH ST. EDWARD) CHURCHYARD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisharley9 Posted 24 November , 2008 Share Posted 24 November , 2008 What date are we looking at for Lt Buxton? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
At Home Dad Posted 24 November , 2008 Author Share Posted 24 November , 2008 1915, Chris. It happened in Brentwood, so around May. No dates in the History, I'm afriad, but calls the death while training 'the first casualty'. Hope that helps kind regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
At Home Dad Posted 24 November , 2008 Author Share Posted 24 November , 2008 B-LIMEY! I''ll ask about these elsewhere but thanks for the shout! Sarling's death is only a couple of weeks after formation crikey And the last one is only around the corner from me Thanks and Kind regards I would suggest first casualty in action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Hartley Posted 24 November , 2008 Share Posted 24 November , 2008 but calls the death while training 'the first casualty'. I can't see the registration of the death of anyone likely on FreeBMD for the June quarter. Is there any other indication in the book that he died - e.g. mention of anyone attending a funeral (you'd have thought they'd have made a big thing of a first death). Does the History include a roll of honour as an appendix? John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebie9173 Posted 24 November , 2008 Share Posted 24 November , 2008 I suspect that casualty in this case means a serious injury. I would have thought that the earliest one (Sarling) was probably a death from disease rather than injury. Here is what seems to be 2/Lt Buxton's commission: The Essex Regiment. 13th Battalion (West Ham)— Alfred George Buxton to be temporary Second Lieutenant. Dated 5th- April, 1915. http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/ViewPDF.a...t=&similar= ---- He seems to have become Adjutant of one of the Essex Reserve battalions at some point later: Second Reserve. Essex R. Temp. 2nd Lt. A. G. Buxton, from a Serv. Bn., to be temp. 2nd Lt. (with seniority from 10 Mar. 1915) and Adjt. 1 Nov. 1915. http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/ViewPDF.a...t=&similar= ---- Local Reserve Essex R. The. undermentioned temp. 2nd Lts. to be temp. Lts.: — 1 Jan. 1916. F. Lussignea, from a Serv. Bn. H. Yeates, from a Serv. Bn. A. G. Buxton, Adjt. A. J. Dyer, from a Serv . Bn. http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/ViewPDF.a...t=&similar= ---- Then to Training Reserve: Training Reserve. Temp. Lt. A. G. Buxton, from Essex R., to be temp. Lt. (with seniority from 1 Jan. 1916) and Adjt. 1 Sept. 1916. http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/ViewPDF.a...t=&similar= ---- Temp. Lt.. and Adjt. A. G. Buxton to be actg. Capt. whilst holding an appt. -on the permanent estabt. 1 Sept. 1916. http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/ViewPDF.a...t=&similar= ---- Essex R. Temp. Capt. A. G. Buxton, from actg. Capt., Trg. Res., to be temp. Lt. 20 Feb. 1918, with seniority 1 Jan. 1916. http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/ViewPDF.a...t=&similar= ---- ROYAL FLYING CORPS Equipment Officers, 3rd Cl— 18th Mar. 1918. Temp. Lt. A. G. Buxton, Training Res., and to be transfd. to R.F.C. Gen. List. http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/ViewPDF.a...t=&similar= ---- Looks like he survived (assuming it's the right man still): Air Ministry, September, 1919. ROYAL AIR FORCE. ADMINISTRATIVE BRANCH. 2nd Lt. (Hon. Lt.) A..G. Buxton relinquishes his commn. on account of ill-health contracted on active service, and is granted the rank of Capt. 3rd Sept. 1919. http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/ViewPDF.a...t=&similar= Probable Officers File: WO 339/30088 BUXTON A G, Lieut 1914-1921 He has an MIC on Ancestry that confirms no entitlement to medals (i.e. Home service only) Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
At Home Dad Posted 24 November , 2008 Author Share Posted 24 November , 2008 Fantastic work and extremely helpful as always Steve! Thank you, I'll use the detail to make a short bio on Alf Buxton Well, I guess that solves my initial confusion, anyway! John - no roll of honour (as far as I know). many Thanks, all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Clark Posted 24 November , 2008 Share Posted 24 November , 2008 Very Interesting thread, thanks for posting it. But where does that info leave us? Is someone going to try find out more to clarfiy circumstances? Is he still a potential non-com or not? If his ill health was attributable to war service and he died of same then he probably qualifys? If no one wants to do it then I will gladly add him to my (growing) list. Well done for finding him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebie9173 Posted 24 November , 2008 Share Posted 24 November , 2008 It should just be a matter of checking his NA file at some point, but it looks like he survived his fracture skull, but missed rejoining the 13th Essex. From there it looks like he had a desk job with firstly a Reserve battalion of the Essex (probably the 14th), then its successor unit in the Training Reserve, before a spell with the Depot (i.e. the Permanent Staff), before joining the RFC/RAF, again probably "flying a desk". Whilst, his injury probably prevented him seeing overseas service, it seems unlikely that it killed him, providing that all these Gazette entries belong to him - and there does seem to be a logical thread through them. His records in WO339 and probably AIR76 should confirm the above, but unless he "relapsed" and died before August 1921, I can't see him being a "Non-Com." I don't think At Home Dad has stated that he definitely died in the years around the war. He certainly seems to have been fit enough to get married in 1915: Name: Alfred G Buxton Year of Registration: 1915 Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep Spouse's Surname: Rayment District: West Ham County: Essex, Greater London Volume: 4a Page: 1186 Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Clark Posted 24 November , 2008 Share Posted 24 November , 2008 Someone needs to look for a DC before August 1921. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebie9173 Posted 24 November , 2008 Share Posted 24 November , 2008 There are entries in the London Phone Books for an Alfred G Buxton (Woodford Green is the latest place) between 1930 and 1945, so I think he seems to have outlived the cut-off date somewhat. The only Alfred G Buxtons on Ancestry that I can see are: Alfred George Buxton, born Pancras, 1851 Alfred George Buxton, born West Ham, 1885 (our man, with very little doubt...) Alfred George A Buxton, born 1872 at Stoke on Trent Balance of probabilities is that Alfred George Buxton lived to at least the age of 60.... Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Clark Posted 24 November , 2008 Share Posted 24 November , 2008 Good work Steve, I guess it's an ABORT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebie9173 Posted 24 November , 2008 Share Posted 24 November , 2008 The 1930 entry's address matches the MIC address: 12 Dafforne Road, SW17. I would be changing down gear on my search about now.... Ah. you have.... Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
At Home Dad Posted 24 November , 2008 Author Share Posted 24 November , 2008 thank you, all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisharley9 Posted 24 November , 2008 Share Posted 24 November , 2008 Balance of probabilities is that Alfred George Buxton lived to at least the age of 60.... Probably cursing that horse until the day he died Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
At Home Dad Posted 24 November , 2008 Author Share Posted 24 November , 2008 or very, very grateful to it on Armistace day! Probably cursing that horse until the day he died Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Clark Posted 24 November , 2008 Share Posted 24 November , 2008 The 1930 entry's address matches the MIC address: 12 Dafforne Road, SW17 Unless he had a son with his name and gave him his house! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebie9173 Posted 24 November , 2008 Share Posted 24 November , 2008 Married in 1915, so any son would be a bit young to receive said house by 1930..... Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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