Chief_Chum Posted 9 November , 2008 Share Posted 9 November , 2008 Dear all, Just a quick note to mention 'Walter's War' tonight at 9pm on BBC4; a dramatisation of the story of Walter Tull. Cheers, Taff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
izzy Posted 10 November , 2008 Share Posted 10 November , 2008 Watched it last night ,very thought provoking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidMillichope Posted 10 November , 2008 Share Posted 10 November , 2008 Hmmm …. A bit of a firecracker to handle this one. A very modern theme in a very anachronistic setting. Did I catch the opening message correctly ? – “ little is known of his soldiers records or experiences. What follows is fiction “ If that is the case does anyone find it difficult to see the value of something like this when the details ( but not the historical basis) are a work of fiction ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisC Posted 10 November , 2008 Share Posted 10 November , 2008 Well written and well acted. I found nothing OTT or unbelievable, which a less sensitive / more "axe to grind" approach could have been. Well done to all concerned, I reckon. Chris C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rendellers Posted 10 November , 2008 Share Posted 10 November , 2008 Ienjoyed this but was taken aback when his 2 years service as an officer was added as a footnote!http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Tull Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace Talbot Posted 12 November , 2008 Share Posted 12 November , 2008 A documentary on Walter Tull, "Walter Tull: Forgotten Hero" is on BBC4 at 9pm this Thursday (13th). Hopefully we'll learn more about the real Walter and his war service there. Personally, I enjoyed "Walter's War" but would appreciate something factual after all the excellent documentaries we've had in the last week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pier Posted 13 November , 2008 Share Posted 13 November , 2008 Walter Tull forotten hero documentary tonight at 9 pm followed at 10pm by Walter's War the drama that was on last week for anyone who missed it, BBC4 Carol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockney tone Posted 13 November , 2008 Share Posted 13 November , 2008 Carol, thanks for reminding me, I had forgotten! Regards, Scottie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick D Posted 13 November , 2008 Share Posted 13 November , 2008 Thanks for that Carol, Sky + armed and ready. Mick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pier Posted 13 November , 2008 Share Posted 13 November , 2008 That's ok, i will be watching it too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hudsonswhistle Posted 13 November , 2008 Share Posted 13 November , 2008 Just watched the second part of this film,what an amazing man he was, where do we sign this petition then to get him he's mc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockney tone Posted 13 November , 2008 Share Posted 13 November , 2008 May be it was just me but I was very dissapointed with this programme, or am I being over sensitive on the whole race angle? they seemed to spend much too long trying to make points and labour on the apparent racism of the times which I feel really detracted from what a truly great man Walter Tull must have been to rise above all the obstacles he faced in his life? The programme only really took off in the last 15 minutes! As I say may be it was just me? Regards and best wishes to you all, Scottie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pier Posted 14 November , 2008 Share Posted 14 November , 2008 Yes agree Scottie, i did enjoy the programme and learning about his early life, and his time as a footballer as you know Spurs is close to my heart, and also i didn't know he was remembered on the same memorial as my Gt Grandad in Arras. I think the presenter was hell bent on making the race point, it did seem to really upset him! Carol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Michelle Young Posted 14 November , 2008 Admin Share Posted 14 November , 2008 Yes I agree too. Interesting programme even so and good to see forum member AGWR featuring. Michelle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hudsonswhistle Posted 14 November , 2008 Share Posted 14 November , 2008 Scottie I think your missing the point mate,how can you say they were spending to much time on the race card,when quiet clearly this was the case,and to keep him out of the public domain for so long is quiet appalling to me, and as a spurs fan myself Carol,did you no anything about him because I didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Hartley Posted 14 November , 2008 Share Posted 14 November , 2008 As I say may be it was just me? Not just you, Scottie. I really thought labouring the completely obvious point that imperialist British society was racist tended to detract from the programme. I thought the presenter rather fancied himself being on Newsnight the way he cross-examined the guy from the NA (?) trying to get him to actually say there was racism. What did surprise me, on the race issue, was the way in which the sports journalist commented on the racist abuse that Tull suffered in his first Spurs match. There are some modern day journos who could learn something about diversity from 100 years ago. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Hartley Posted 14 November , 2008 Share Posted 14 November , 2008 Care to explain that remark? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockney tone Posted 14 November , 2008 Share Posted 14 November , 2008 Hudsonwhistle, thank you for thoughts about us, just the sort of ill informed comment about somebody you don't know and possibly will never meet that stifles any honest or open debate when ever race is mentioned! You should re consider your hurtful comment please? Alas another interesting thread takes a downward spiral! As a Spurs fan I have known about this incredible man for many years (At least 20 years) as he has appeared in match programmes and publications and I have always included him in the numerous visits I have organised for friends and colleagues to Arras over the years. I even take a page from the Daily Mail that I have kept (Think its Feb 97) that tells his story and has his picture to illustrate my talk on him. Sadly it was MY opinion that the presenter had his own agenda, I simply thought he should have focused more on Walter Tull and his incredible story. Regards to you all Scottie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Pigott Posted 14 November , 2008 Share Posted 14 November , 2008 Yes I agree too. Interesting programme even so and good to see forum member AGWR featuring. Michelle Just out of interest, who was 'AGWR' in the programme? Anthony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Clay Posted 14 November , 2008 Share Posted 14 November , 2008 I've not yet seen this programme, nor the biographical 'drama' from the other night, so I'll have to reserve my judgement on whether the producers got the 'race' angle right, or overdid it as Scottie and John, who have seen it, suggest. I'll not reserve judgement on hudsonwhistle's 'jackboots' (ie Nazi) comment. Totally unjustified, out of order and out of place on this Forum. An apology is in order. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hudsonswhistle Posted 14 November , 2008 Share Posted 14 November , 2008 Sadly it was MY opinion that the presenter had his own agenda, I simply thought he should have focused more on Walter Tull and his incredible story. I thought he did didn't he! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Hartley Posted 14 November , 2008 Share Posted 14 November , 2008 Jim I've posted on this on the "other" Tull thread, but my only criticism of the race issue was the labouring of the particular point as I mention above. As I said on the other, I regard this as having been a "black history", rather than "war history" programme and it was generally pretty good. I don't request an apology from "hudsonswhistle" and certainly don't expect one. I would, however, still very much welcome an explanation as to which of my comments in post #11 s/he thought warranted the comment. Was it the my remark that Edwardian British society was imperialistic and racist? Or was it my praise for the manner in which the Edwardian journalist vilified those who had racially abused Tull? Or, perhaps, it was when I critcised some modern day journalists for not being as forthright in their condemnation of racism? Funny old world, innit? John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Hartley Posted 14 November , 2008 Share Posted 14 November , 2008 Try that one Well, we'll have to disagree about whether that comment of mine warrants a "jackboot" comment from you. You are, of course, entitled to your opinion - much as I might think it fanciful. BTW, if you're interested in exploring issues of racism during the War (and if you havnt already done so) you might want to do some reading about the British West Indies Regiment. Some interesting (if not surprising) stuff around. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HERITAGE PLUS Posted 14 November , 2008 Share Posted 14 November , 2008 The subject matter invites reasoned debate. It is not happening here! Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mills bomber Posted 14 November , 2008 Share Posted 14 November , 2008 Wasn't the point of the programme trying to focus on the fact that he never received his military cross and because he was a coloured man he never did,I think its quiet shameful to be honest, so well said Hudson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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