Patrick ODwyer Posted 22 June , 2008 Share Posted 22 June , 2008 I happened to be there recently and there were a handful of graves I noticed to do with the Great War. Anyone interested in any photos. Two RN, 1 RAF, 1 East Kent, 2 commemorated on family grave (don't know but called Bluett / Winch) May have been others I missed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Clark Posted 23 June , 2008 Share Posted 23 June , 2008 Hello Patrick, I'd be very interested to learn if BOUGHTON MONCHELSEA has any kind of civic war memorial in the parish? That is a very kind offer you have made. Being such a small Kent village there won't be many takers though... All the very best. Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick ODwyer Posted 23 June , 2008 Author Share Posted 23 June , 2008 Sorry Neil I do not know I was literally just passing through and stopped to show my children the Deer Park - about 10 mins. Didn't enter the church or the village. Took photos of a few graves I noticed - that was all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick ODwyer Posted 23 June , 2008 Author Share Posted 23 June , 2008 This was one of the more interesting. I think the boys must be buried in France but I couldn't work out the relationship... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick ODwyer Posted 28 June , 2008 Author Share Posted 28 June , 2008 Neil I had a friend who volunteered to go back and get these for you.... inside St Peter's Church Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Clark Posted 28 June , 2008 Share Posted 28 June , 2008 Patrick, That is a very gracious thing to do, I'm touched by your kindness... I presume you have had to compress the photos in order to put em on here? If possible, could you send me the full size photos? My email is - clarkneil@hotmail.co.uk Once I get them, I will put them on kentfallen (with your name as the copyright holder). All the very best and THANKS Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick ODwyer Posted 28 June , 2008 Author Share Posted 28 June , 2008 They are on their way to you. Happy to help such a good cause. My friend is the really kind one as he has no real interest in the era but for friendship sake went over there - a good man in every way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Porter Posted 28 June , 2008 Share Posted 28 June , 2008 I think the boys must be buried in France but I couldn't work out the relationship... They appear to be brothers, however one was born well after the other one died. Name: WINCH Initials: R B Nationality: United Kingdom Rank: Second Lieutenant Regiment/Service: The Buffs (East Kent Regiment) Unit Text: 10th (R. East Kent and West Kent Yeomanry) Bn. Age: 20 Date of Death: 18/04/1915 Additional information: Son of Lt. Col. George Bluett Winch and Ethel May Winch, of Boughton Place, Maidstone. Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead Grave/Memorial Reference: East of Church. Cemetery: BOUGHTON MONCHELSEA (ST. PETER) CHURCHYARD Name: WINCH, ANTHONY DESMOND Initials: A D Nationality: United Kingdom Rank: Lieutenant Regiment/Service: Grenadier Guards Unit Text: 4th Bn. Age: 23 Date of Death: 24/01/1945 Service No: 200088 Awards: Mentioned in Despatches Additional information: Son of Lt.-Col. George Bluett Winch and Ethel May Winch, of Boughton Monchelsea, Kent. Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead Grave/Memorial Reference: VI. 291. Cemetery: BRUNSSUM WAR CEMETERY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick ODwyer Posted 28 June , 2008 Author Share Posted 28 June , 2008 Thanks David, I had thought they may be some kind of step brothers but I was thinking they died in the same war. Very sad to lose your 'Only' son twice in two different wars. There cannot be many other examples of this happening. Tragic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick ODwyer Posted 28 June , 2008 Author Share Posted 28 June , 2008 I note Laight on the memorial. He is buried in the graveyard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick ODwyer Posted 28 June , 2008 Author Share Posted 28 June , 2008 Russ is also on the memorial and is buried in the graveyard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted 2 July , 2008 Share Posted 2 July , 2008 Name: WINCH Initials: R B Nationality: United Kingdom Rank: Second Lieutenant Regiment/Service: The Buffs (East Kent Regiment) Unit Text: 10th (R. East Kent and West Kent Yeomanry) Bn. Age: 20 Date of Death: 18/04/1915 Additional information: Son of Lt. Col. George Bluett Winch and Ethel May Winch, of Boughton Place, Maidstone. Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead Grave/Memorial Reference: East of Church. Cemetery: BOUGHTON MONCHELSEA (ST. PETER) CHURCHYARD Interesting. The 10th Buffs weren't formed until 1917. Another CWGC mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Clark Posted 2 July , 2008 Share Posted 2 July , 2008 Michael, Perhaps you might want to tell em? But then perhaps not.... ha ha I presume you will know which battalion he was with? Neil Thanks for posting these photos Patrick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick ODwyer Posted 2 July , 2008 Author Share Posted 2 July , 2008 Did you get the one I emailed you Neil? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted 4 July , 2008 Share Posted 4 July , 2008 Neil You know the answer to the first question! I think there are three alternatives. He is not in The Buffs or REKMR rolls so either; a. He was Buffs and didn't go overseas with them b. He was REKMR and didn't go overseas with them (which makes sense because they didn't leave for the Med until 25/9/1915) c. He was West Kent Yeomanry Both of the yeomanry units formed the 10th Buffs in 1917. If someone has a copy of Ponsonby or a relvant Army List perhaps they can confirm. I'll have to pop over to the churchyard sometime to see what the grave inscription says. Mick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick ODwyer Posted 4 July , 2008 Author Share Posted 4 July , 2008 The grave inscription (POST 4) dosn't say any more. No unit reference as far as I can recall. R B Winch is East Kent Mounted Rifles on the Church War Memorial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick ODwyer Posted 5 July , 2008 Author Share Posted 5 July , 2008 ... and his brother was in the Genadier Guards on the 1939-1945 memorial as David identified that he should be in his post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispy Posted 7 July , 2008 Share Posted 7 July , 2008 Unfortunately due to time constraints resulting from transcribing Kent War memorials for inclusion on www.kentfallen.com, I do not have time to go on the forum, a result of which was that I was not aware of this thread until today following a telephone call from somebody in Maidstone. Boughton Monchelsea had been amongst approximately 70 partially finished war memorials that I have been working on, and only finished Boughton Monchelsea over the week-end. After finishing the war memorial transcriptions I give them to Neil Clark (webmaster) for him to add them to the site, as such I suspect that Boughton Monchelsea will be added over the next week or so. Best wishes to all. David. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wet255 Posted 30 April , 2023 Share Posted 30 April , 2023 Winch should be buried in the grave yard as he was killed in an accident in 16 April 1915. He went to my old college Trinity College Cambridge. OFFICER SHOT BY SENTRY. Lieutenant Roland Winch (Royal East Kent Mounted Rifles) was shot late on Friday night by a sentry on duty on Ramsgate front, and died at the Ramsgate Hospital early yesterday morning. Lieutenant Winch was one of a party of four Yeomanry officers who were travelling in a car owned by Lieutenant Dawes. When proceeding along the sea front at Ramsgate they were challenged by a sentry. As the driver did not stop the sentry fired a shot, which entered the back of the car and passed through Lieut. Winch's body. Colonel Winch, the young officer's father, at once sent for a London specialist, but from the first the case was hopeless. Both the inquest and the military inquiry are fixed for to-day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johntaylor Posted 30 April , 2023 Share Posted 30 April , 2023 A very sad story - there may well be more information in Lieut Winch's service record, but it's only available at the National Archives: https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C746016 John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastSurrey Posted 2 May , 2023 Share Posted 2 May , 2023 I remember seeing a memorial plate to Ronald Winch at the old Ramsgate Hospital, which we closed in the 1990s. I think it was on the outside of the building and perhaps it is still there. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wet255 Posted 2 May , 2023 Share Posted 2 May , 2023 Yes there is a picture of it on line be interesting to know if it’s still there. Thanks for the message Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastSurrey Posted 5 May , 2023 Share Posted 5 May , 2023 I looked today, and it is still there. Ramsgate Hospital was redeveloped for private housing, but the original part of the hospital was converted rather than demolished. Unfortunately I couldn't get close enough, because of a gated access, to take a decent photograph of what is a memorial stone set in the wall of the building set back at the left side of the hospital from the road. It commemorates Ronald Winch, and the donation by his parents to the hospital of equipment in his memory. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wet255 Posted 6 May , 2023 Share Posted 6 May , 2023 Eastsurrey thank you so much for trying that was really good of you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastSurrey Posted 20 June , 2023 Share Posted 20 June , 2023 The papers from the Court of Enquiry are in Ronald Winch's file at TNA. Briefly, there were 2 cars, the first containing Ronald's father and other E.K Yeomanry officers, and the second Ronald and some more officers. They were based at Herne, near Herne Bay. They had been to an evening concert in aid of recruitment at Ramsgate, which seems to have been garrisoned by troops from Lancashire. The first car stopped when challenged, but the second did not and Ronald was mortally wounded. Those officers concerned only received the order the following day that prohibited them going around at night in motor cars, unless on official business, and in possession of the password. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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