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War memorial in Lansdowne Road


swizz

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I read in today's Guardian that 'The bulldozer's ball and hammer move in on the familiar, favourite, rusted relic after the relishable Triple Crowner against Scotland.' Does anyone know what will happen to the IRFU war memorial? It would be (IMHO) a pity for it to vanish with the old stadium.

Swizz

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According to Barry Cunningham of the Irish Rugby Supporters Club, the memorial is to be preserved. However he is going to double check that and confirm it to me. I will post his reply.

Thanks for bringing it to our attention.

wig

P.S. Barry Cunningham has now confirmed that the memorial is to be preserved althought they have not yet determined where to place it when the new stadium is built.

Far be it from me to encourage anyone to congratulate the IRFU on preserving the war momument but they might well be encouraged to make a good job of conserving it if members of the forum emailed Barry Cunningham to that effect! His email address is barry.cunningham@irfu.ie. I do not think he will respond to requests for tickets for the Scotland v Ireland match on Saturday!

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That's good news wig - I'd certainly be interested in any further info about this.

Swizz

Good news - thanks wig!

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According to Barry Cunningham of the Irish Rugby Supporters Club, the memorial is to be preserved. However he is going to double check that and confirm it to me. I will post his reply.

Thanks for bringing it to our attention.

wig

P.S. Barry Cunningham has now confirmed that the memorial is to be preserved althought they have not yet determined where to place it when the new stadium is built.

Far be it from me to encourage anyone to congratulate the IRFU on preserving the war momument but they might well be encouraged to make a good job of conserving it if members of the forum emailed Barry Cunningham to that effect! His email address is barry.cunningham@irfu.ie. I do not think he will respond to requests for tickets for the Scotland v Ireland match on Saturday!

Wig you are right on both counts. Yes they are preserving the memorial but have not decided where to place it in the new stadium. And yes, he did not respond to a request for tickets even though he is a friend of my son. I wonder would the gift of a really good bottle of single malt help?

Ken

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Maybe it would depend how good the bottle was - and maybe if there was more than one?? :ph34r:

Swizz

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This is what it's all about. I met Barry Cunningham today, and he confirmed what is said above: that the memorial will definitely be preserved. I don't think you need to bombard him with e-mails!

Many of the men commemorated joined 'D' Company, 7th Battalion, the Royal Dublin Fusiliers (the Dublin Pals) and were lost at Suvla Bay.

Michael

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Nice picture Michael - when I was there there was heavy rain so my attempted photos didn't really come out. Do you have any idea when this was unveiled?

Swizz

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Did you know that the President of the 1916 IRFU was shot dead by rebel forces as he was marching his unarmd soldiers back to Beggers Bush Barracks? I havent his details with me but will check my sourcebook and post his name within a day or so.

wig

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Here is a photo of Frank Browning at Lansdowne Road, in front of the men he recruited. Many of them died during the war. He probably didn't imagine that he would be among the casualties. (The picture is a scan from photogravure, and it is impossible to get rid of the patterning without sending a very large image.)

About the unit he was with, the "Georgius Rex Volunteers", known unkindly by the Dublin wits as the Gorgeous Wrecks. They were a Dad's Army kind of unit, and they were in full army uniform and carrying rifles, although they had no ammunition. They knew the rebellion had begun, and had been ordered back to their barracks. What they didn't know was that a rebel unit was on the road they were to take, anticipating troops coming from Dún Laoghaire (then Kingstown).

Michael

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That information is spot on. And is that not a brilliant photograph, never seen it before and it does not feature in the recent book Barristers 1868-2004 (my source - Browning was a barrister) nor in the book Wigs and Guns, also about barristers and the great war. Thank you for taking the trouble to publish it here.

wig

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I must agree - Great picture! I think Keith Jeffery used it in the Gallipoli programe which was on last year. He used it (or a picture similar to it) very effectively by standing in the same view to give his spiel to camera. Seeing the same stand in the background was quite eerie...

Do you know which one is Browning? I have never actually seen a photo of him.

Swizz

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There are two war memorials in Lansdwone isn't there ???? The one pictured above and another above the enterance with names on the "house in the corner" of lansdowne for men of the rugby club

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Do you know which one is Browning? I have never actually seen a photo of him.

Swizz

The photo is from "The Pals at Suvla Bay, being the record of "D" Company of the 7th Royal Dublin Fusiliers" by Henry Hanna (Ponsonby, Dublin, 1916). Naval and Military Press have a recent reprint.

Browning is the man standing in front of the group, with the Sergeant-Major.

I don't know about the other memorial, and it wasn't mentioned when I was there last week. Do you mean the Wanderers Rugby Club club-house, also at Lansdowne?

Michael Pegum

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...the "Georgius Rex Volunteers", ...were a Dad's Army kind of unit, and they were in full army uniform and carrying rifles,

Correction: they were in civilian clothes, with arm-bands, according to today's Irish Times. However, they did have rifles.

Michael

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From the Irish Law Times and Solicitors Journal 1916

"We deeply regret to announce the death of Mr. Francis Henry Browning, Barrister at Law, Examiner of Titles in the Land Registry of Ireland, and joint author with Mr. Raymond Smith of the well known text book on the Local Registration of Title Act, 1891. He died on 26th April as a result of wounds he recieved on Easter Monday when returning from a route march with the I.A.V.T. Corps, of which he was second in command. Within a short distance of Beggars Bush Barracks he was shot by snipers connected with the Sinn Fein Rebellion, to which we refer in antoher column. Mr. Browning gained fame as a cricketer, and was also keenly intereted in Rugby football. When the war began he conceived the idea of forming an Irish Rugby Union Volunteer Corps. This idea soon bore fruit and about 800 men - all connected with football- were enrolled. It was out of this number that the famous "Pals" Company was formed, whose glorious heroism at Suvla Bay is so well known. As an official in the Land Registry of Ireland, Mr. Brownings untimely death will also be regretted. He was an extremely capable and courteous offficer. He was the eldest son of the late Mr. Jeffrey Browning, solicitor."

wig

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Wig,

I was interested to read the bit you posted from the Irish Law Times and Solicitors Journal. I believe Browning's name is on the war memorial of the Land Registry of Ireland - an organisation I know nothing about. Do you know what they did / do? Or have you ever seen the memorial for that matter??

Swizz

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no. But as I work in the fourcourts complex it won't take me too long to find it and photgraph it and post hereon.

wig

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.. as I work in the fourcourts complex it won't take me too long to find it and photgraph it and post hereon.

wig

Wig,

If you do find it and get permission to photograph it, could you make a full record for the Irish Inventory of War Memorials at the website below? Measurements need to be taken, and a form is to be filled in (downloadable from the 'How to contribute' page.

Many thanks, Michael

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Found the memorial today, Browning's name is on it as having fallen in the Great War - along with about five or six other names. Got permission to photograph it. All I have to do now is find my bloody camera!

wig

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This is great news wig - will you be posting the pic here? I for one would be very interested in seeing it!

Swizz

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Found my camera and I have a photograph of the memorial. Now I have to find that wire thingy that attaches the camera to the computer and I will then post the photograph here. Meanwhile the memorial is a simple brass plaque, 19" x 12" mounted on a board and sited above a rather pokey reception desk immediately inside the Land Registry Entrance hall. It reads as follows:

Francis H. Browning - Thomas Brennan - Daniel R. Cleary - John B. Dunne - Walter R Cross. George Hore - Richard V. Murphy - Joames O'Connell - John J. Raverly

- of the Land Registry of Ireland -

-Who fell in the Great War-

1914-1918

wig

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Can anyone identify these men, please? Murphy is the only one I can find in a cursory look at CWGC?

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Can anyone identify these men, please? Murphy is the only one I can find in a cursory look at CWGC?

I think this must be Daniel R. Cleary. The same 'Clery' spelling appears in "Ireland's Memorial Records".

Name: CLERY, DANIEL RICHARD

Initials: D R

Nationality: United Kingdom

Rank: Lieutenant

Regiment: Royal Dublin Fusiliers

Unit Text: 6th Bn.

Date of Death: 10/08/1915

Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead

Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 190 to 196.

Memorial: HELLES MEMORIAL

Michael

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