Ron Clifton Posted 14 March , 2010 Share Posted 14 March , 2010 Forum Pals may find the following summary index to class WO95 useful, if you know which division etc your unit belonged to. Note that formations serving in more than one theatre, e.g. France and Italy, or Gallipoli and Egypt, will have diaries in two different blocks. 1 to 85 I France GHQ 86 to 153 I France GHQ Troops 154 to 267 I France First Army 268 to 358 I France Second Army 359 to 430 I France Third Army 431 to 517 I France Fourth Army 518 to 571 I France Fifth Army 572 to 584 I France Cavalry Corps 585 to 587 I France Indian Cavalry Corps 588 to 628 I France I Corps 629 to 667 I France II Corps 668 to 705 I France III Corps 706 to 742 I France IV Corps 743 to 766 I France V Corps 767 to 803 I France VI Corps 804 to 819 I France VII Corps 820 to 834 I France VIII Corps 835 to 849 I France IX Corps 850 to 879 I France X Corps 880 to 893 I France XI Corps 894 to 894 I France XII Corps 895 to 909 I France XIII Corps 910 to 920 I France XIV Corps 921 to 933 I France XV Corps 934 to 950 I France XVII Corps 951 to 958 I France XVIII Corps 959 to 973 I France XIX Corps 974 to 979 I France XXII Corps 980 to 1031 I France I ANZAC Corps 1032 to 1044 I France II ANZAC Corps 1045 to 1087 I France Canadian Corps 1088 to 1095 I France Indian Corps 1096 to 1116 I France 1st Cavalry Division 1117 to 1140 I France 2nd Cavalry Division 1141 to 1156 I France 3rd Cavalry Division 1157 to 1161 I France 4th Cavalry Division 1162 to 1165 I France 5th Cavalry Division 1166 to 1166 I France Rhine Cavalry Brigades 1167 to 1179 I France 1st Ind Cavalry Division 1180 to 1188 I France 2nd Ind Cavalry Division 1189 to 1189 I France Dismted Cavalry Divisions 1190 to 1226 I France Guards Division 1227 to 1282 I France 1st Division 1283 to 1374 I France 2nd Division 1375 to 1438 I France 3rd Division 1439 to 1509 I France 4th Division 1510 to 1580 I France 5th Division 1581 to 1626 I France 6th Division 1627 to 1670 I France 7th Division 1671 to 1732 I France 8th Division 1733 to 1786 I France 9th (Scottish) Division 1787 to 1821 I France 11th (Northern) Division 1822 to 1863 I France 12th (Eastern) Division 1864 to 1910 I France 14th (Light) Division 1911 to 1954 I France 15th (Scottish) Division 1955 to 1979 I France 16th (Irish) Division 1980 to 2014 I France 17th (Northern) Division 2015 to 2051 I France 18th (Eastern) Division 2052 to 2093 I France 19th (Western) Division 2094 to 2127 I France 20th (Light) Division 2128 to 2165 I France 21st Division 2166 to 2166 I France 22nd Division 2167 to 2188 I France 23rd Division 2189 to 2219 I France 24th Division 2220 to 2251 I France 25th Division 2252 to 2253 I France 26th Division 2254 to 2266 I France 27th Division 2267 to 2279 I France 28th Division 2280 to 2309 I France 29th Division 2310 to 2340 I France 30th Division 2341 to 2366 I France 31st Division 2367 to 2404 I France 32nd Division 2405 to 2431 I France 33rd Division 2432 to 2467 I France 34th Division 2468 to 2490 I France 35th Division 2491 to 2511 I France 36th (Ulster) Division 2512 to 2538 I France 37th Division 2539 to 2562 I France 38th (Welsh) Division 2563 to 2591 I France 39th Division 2592 to 2616 I France 40th Division 2617 to 2644 I France 41st Division 2645 to 2661 I France 42nd (E Lancs) Division 2662 to 2695 I France 46th (N Mid) Division 2696 to 2744 I France 47th (London) Division 2745 to 2764 I France 48th (S Mid) Division 2765 to 2806 I France 49th (W Riding) Division 2807 to 2843 I France 50th (Nbrian) Division 2844 to 2888 I France 51st (Highland) Division 2889 to 2898 I France 52nd (Lowland) Division 2899 to 2930 I France 55th (W Lancs) Division 2931 to 2963 I France 56th (London) Division 2964 to 2985 I France 57th (W Lancs) Division 2986 to 3009 I France 58th (London) Division 3010 to 3025 I France 59th (N Mid) Division 3026 to 3032 I France 60th (London) Division 3033 to 3067 I France 61st (S Mid) Division 3068 to 3092 I France 62nd (W Riding) Division 3093 to 3119 I France 63rd (RN) Division 3120 to 3147 I France 66th (E Lancs) Division 3148 to 3154 I France 74th (Yeomanry) Division 3155 to 3253 I France 1st Australian Division 3254 to 3349 I France 2rd Australian Division 3350 to 3441 I France 3rd Australian Division 3442 to 3525 I France 4th Australian Division 3526 to 3657 I France 5th Australian Division 3658 to 3714 I France New Zealand Division 3715 to 3782 I France 1st Canadian Division 3783 to 3836 I France 2rd Canadian Division 3837 to 3879 I France 3rd Canadian Division 3880 to 3909 I France 4th Canadian Division 3910 to 3910 I France 5th Canadian Division 3911 to 3929 I France 3rd Indian Division 3930 to 3948 I France 7th Indian Division 3949 to 3991 I France L of C HQs 3992 to 4048 I France L of C Areas and Bases 4049 to 4073 I France L of C Troops 4074 to 4152 I France L of C Medical units 4153 to 4162 I France L of C Vet units 4163 to 4172 I France L of C ASC units 4173 to 4174 I France L of C Labour HQs etc 4175 to 4176 I France L of C Ordnance units 4177 to 4184 I France L of C ASC Depots 4185 to 4193 I France L of C Base Depots 4194 to 4204 II Italy GHQ 4205 to 4210 II Italy GHQ Troops 4211 to 4211 II Italy XI Corps 4212 to 4213 II Italy XIV Corps 4214 to 4217 II Italy 5th Division 4218 to 4228 II Italy 7th Division 4229 to 4240 II Italy 23rd Division 4241 to 4243 II Italy 41st Division 4244 to 4251 II Italy 48th (S Mid) Division 4252 to 4256 II Italy L of C HQs and Bases 4257 to 4261 II Italy L of C Medical units 4262 to 4262 II Italy L of C ASC units 4263 to 4270 III Gallipoli GHQ 4271 to 4272 III Gallipoli GHQ Troops 4273 to 4275 III Gallipoli VIII Corps 4276 to 4279 III Gallipoli IX Corps 4280 to 4289 III Gallipoli I ANZAC Corps 4290 to 4291 III Gallipoli Royal Naval Division 4292 to 4293 III Gallipoli 2nd Mted Division 4294 to 4296 III Gallipoli 10th (Irish) Division 4297 to 4299 III Gallipoli 11th (Northern) Division 4300 to 4303 III Gallipoli 13th (Western) Division 4304 to 4312 III Gallipoli 29th Division 4313 to 4316 III Gallipoli 42nd (E Lancs) Division 4317 to 4321 III Gallipoli 52nd (Lowland) Division 4322 to 4323 III Gallipoli 53rd (Welsh) Division 4324 to 4325 III Gallipoli 54th (E Anglian) Division 4326 to 4344 III Gallipoli 1st Australian Division 4345 to 4348 III Gallipoli 2nd Australian Division 4349 to 4354 III Gallipoli NZ & Australian Division 4355 to 4355 III Gallipoli L of C HQ 4356 to 4359 III Gallipoli L of C Troops 4360 to 4402 IV Egypt & Palestine GHQ 4403 to 4416 IV Egypt & Palestine GHQ Troops 4417 to 4419 IV Egypt & Palestine Canal Defences HQ 4420 to 4420 IV Egypt & Palestine IX Corps 4421 to 4421 IV Egypt & Palestine 10th Indian Division 4422 to 4422 IV Egypt & Palestine 11th Indian Division 4423 to 4423 IV Egypt & Palestine Canal Defences misc troops 4424 to 4426 IV Egypt & Palestine Canal Defences No. 1 Section 4427 to 4428 IV Egypt & Palestine Canal Defences No. 2 Section 4429 to 4430 IV Egypt & Palestine Canal Defences No. 3 Section 4431 to 4432 IV Egypt & Palestine XV Corps 4433 to 4433 IV Egypt & Palestine North Section 4434 to 4436 IV Egypt & Palestine South Section 4437 to 4448 IV Egypt & Palestine Delta & Western Force 4449 to 4454 IV Egypt & Palestine Eastern Force 4455 to 4457 IV Egypt & Palestine Force in Egypt 4458 to 4460 IV Egypt & Palestine Northern Force 4461 to 4470 IV Egypt & Palestine Districts 4471 to 4478 IV Egypt & Palestine Desert Mted Corps 4479 to 4489 IV Egypt & Palestine XX Corps 4490 to 4503 IV Egypt & Palestine XXI Corps 4504 to 4507 IV Egypt & Palestine Yeo Mounted Division 4508 to 4509 IV Egypt & Palestine 1st Mounted Division 4510 to 4514 IV Egypt & Palestine 4th Cavalry Division 4515 to 4519 IV Egypt & Palestine 5th Cavalry Division 4520 to 4548 IV Egypt & Palestine ANZ Mounted Division 4549 to 4566 IV Egypt & Palestine Aust Mounted Division 4567 to 4586 IV Egypt & Palestine 10th (Irish) Division 4587 to 4588 IV Egypt & Palestine 11th (Northern) Division 4589 to 4590 IV Egypt & Palestine 31st Division 4591 to 4596 IV Egypt & Palestine 42nd (E Lancs) Division 4597 to 4613 IV Egypt & Palestine 52nd (Lowland) Division 4614 to 4632 IV Egypt & Palestine 53rd (Welsh) Division 4633 to 4659 IV Egypt & Palestine 54th (E Anglian) Division 4660 to 4672 IV Egypt & Palestine 60th (London) Division 4673 to 4679 IV Egypt & Palestine 74th (Yeomanry) Division 4680 to 4694 IV Egypt & Palestine 75th Division 4695 to 4703 IV Egypt & Palestine 3rd Indian Division 4704 to 4715 IV Egypt & Palestine 7th Indian Division 4716 to 4723 IV Egypt & Palestine L of C Egypt HQ and Troops 4724 to 4738 IV Egypt & Palestine L of C Palestine HQ and Troops 4739 to 4755 IV Egypt & Palestine L of C Egypt & P HQ and Troops 4756 to 4792 V Salonika GHQ 4793 to 4814 V Salonika Army Troops 4815 to 4822 V Salonika XII Corps 4823 to 4827 V Salonika XVI Corps 4828 to 4838 V Salonika 10th (Irish) Division 4839 to 4858 V Salonika 22nd Division 4859 to 4877 V Salonika 26th Division 4878 to 4896 V Salonika 27th Division 4897 to 4925 V Salonika 28th Division 4926 to 4929 V Salonika 60th (London) Division 4930 to 4949 V Salonika L of C Troops 4950 to 4964 V Salonika Black Sea HQ and Troops 4965 to 4993 VI Mesopotamia GHQ 4994 to 5008 VI Mesopotamia Army Troops 5009 to 5010 VI Mesopotamia Bushire Force 5011 to 5012 VI Mesopotamia Karun Front 5013 to 5026 VI Mesopotamia Tigris Defences 5027 to 5031 VI Mesopotamia Euphrates Defences 5032 to 5041 VI Mesopotamia Advanced Base 5042 to 5044 VI Mesopotamia Dunsterforce 5045 to 5051 VI Mesopotamia N Persia Force 5052 to 5060 VI Mesopotamia I Indian Corps 5061 to 5081 VI Mesopotamia III Indian Corps 5082 to 5093 VI Mesopotamia Indian Cavalry Division 5094 to 5111 VI Mesopotamia 3rd Indian Division 5112 to 5126 VI Mesopotamia 6th Indian Division 5127 to 5141 VI Mesopotamia 7th Indian Division 5142 to 5146 VI Mesopotamia 12th Indian Division 5147 to 5162 VI Mesopotamia 13th (Western) Division 5163 to 5181 VI Mesopotamia 14th Indian Division 5182 to 5199 VI Mesopotamia 15th Indian Division 5200 to 5214 VI Mesopotamia 17th Indian Division 5215 to 5230 VI Mesopotamia 18th Indian Division 5231 to 5284 VI Mesopotamia L of C Mespot HQ and Troops 5285 to 5288 VI Mesopotamia L of C Persia HQ and Troops 5289 to 5313 VII East Africa GHQ 5314 to 5318 VII East Africa Army Troops 5319 to 5322 VII East Africa Hanforce 5323 to 5326 VII East Africa Lindi Force 5327 to 5328 VII East Africa Edforce 5329 to 5331 VII East Africa Norforce 5332 to 5333 VII East Africa Force Reserve 5334 to 5334 VII East Africa Columns 5335 to 5341 VII East Africa 1st E African Division 5342 to 5345 VII East Africa 2nd E African Division 5346 to 5347 VII East Africa 3rd E African Division 5348 to 5380 VII East Africa L of C Troops 5381 to 5381 VII West Africa HQ and Troops 5382 to 5388 VII Cameroons HQ and Troops 5389 to 5393 VIII India & E Persia NW Frontier Force 5394 to 5395 VIII India & E Persia Baluchistan Force 5396 to 5402 VIII India & E Persia Waziristan Force 5403 to 5403 VIII India & E Persia Northern & Southern Commands 5404 to 5407 VIII India & E Persia 1st Indian 5408 to 5411 VIII India & E Persia 2nd Indian 5412 to 5412 VIII India & E Persia 4th Indian 5413 to 5414 VIII India & E Persia 16th Indian 5415 to 5418 VIII India & E Persia East Persia Force 5419 to 5421 IX N Russia & Sib GHQ 5422 to 5430 IX N Russia & Sib Force Troops 5431 to 5432 IX N Russia & Sib L of C Troops 5433 to 5433 IX N Russia & Sib Siberia Troops 5434 to 5436 X Aden GHQ 5437 to 5439 X Aden Force Troops 5440 to 5440 X Bermuda/Ceylon GHQ & Troops 5441 to 5444 X Hong Kong/China GHQ & Troops 5445 to 5446 X Gib/Jamaica GHQ & Troops 5447 to 5449 X Malta GHQ & Troops 5450 to 5450 X Mauritius GHQ & Troops 5451 to 5451 X Straits Setts GHQ & Troops 5452 to 5452 X NZ W Pacific GHQ & Troops 5453 to 5454 XI Home Forces GHQ 5455 to 5455 XI Home Forces Troops: cavalry 5456 to 5457 XI Home Forces Troops: art & tanks 5458 to 5458 XI Home Forces Mixed/Prov Brigades 5459 to 5460 XI Home Forces Misc troops 5461 to 5461 XI Home Forces 1st, 2nd, 2/2nd Mted Divisions 5461 to 5461 XI Home Forces 57th, 58th, 59th Divisions 5462 to 5462 XI Home Forces 63rd (Nbrian) Division 5463 to 5464 XI Home Forces 67th, 68th, 69th Divisions 5465 to 5465 XI Home Forces Hospitals 5466 to 5466 XI Home Forces ASC Depots 5467 to 5470 -- Orbats France 5471 to 5487 -- Orbats Other theatres 5488 to 5493 XII British Military Missions 5494 to 5500 -- Miscellaneous Locations etc Good luck! 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JimSmithson Posted 14 March , 2010 Share Posted 14 March , 2010 Thanks Ron I knew quite a few of these but not the whole set for France - saved me some time in the future. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Riley Posted 14 March , 2010 Share Posted 14 March , 2010 Ron, Thanks very much Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
River97 Posted 15 March , 2010 Share Posted 15 March , 2010 Ron, That is awesome, well done indeed. Cheers Andy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony paley Posted 15 March , 2010 Share Posted 15 March , 2010 Ron, That is awesome, well done indeed. Cheers Andy. Ron, Thanks very helpful. My interest often concerns Heavy Artillery, I assume that I would look to Corps sets of numbers for those units not Divisional? tony P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevew Posted 15 March , 2010 Share Posted 15 March , 2010 Ron, That looks incredibly useful Thx Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Clifton Posted 15 March , 2010 Author Share Posted 15 March , 2010 Ron, Thanks very helpful. My interest often concerns Heavy Artillery, I assume that I would look to Corps sets of numbers for those units not Divisional? tony P Tony Neither. I'm afraid! You will find them under Army Troops. After the Heavy Artillery Groups, which had a variable composition of batteries, were redesignated Brigades RGA, with a relatively fixed composition, in late 1917 you will rarely find separate Battery diaries. The battery diaries for earlier periods are normally listed with the diaries of the brigades to which they belonged in Nov 1918. There are several Pals on the Forum besides myself who can help you find which batteries belonged to which brigades, or if you can find a copy, the IWM has reprinted the full Order of Battle for France as at Nov 1918 which has this information. It is also in WO95/5469 or WO95/5494. Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger H Posted 15 March , 2010 Share Posted 15 March , 2010 Ron Thanks! List now saved onto a word document for future use. Roger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JefR Posted 15 March , 2010 Share Posted 15 March , 2010 Excellent piece of work Ron - Many thanks Jef Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thGordons Posted 15 March , 2010 Share Posted 15 March , 2010 Super Ron THANKS - here is is as a pdf that folks can download/print easily. Chris WO95index.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony paley Posted 15 March , 2010 Share Posted 15 March , 2010 Tony Neither. I'm afraid! You will find them under Army Troops. After the Heavy Artillery Groups, which had a variable composition of batteries, were redesignated Brigades RGA, with a relatively fixed composition, in late 1917 you will rarely find separate Battery diaries. The battery diaries for earlier periods are normally listed with the diaries of the brigades to which they belonged in Nov 1918. There are several Pals on the Forum besides myself who can help you find which batteries belonged to which brigades, or if you can find a copy, the IWM has reprinted the full Order of Battle for France as at Nov 1918 which has this information. It is also in WO95/5469 or WO95/5494. Ron Ron, i didn't express myself very well, but It was useful exercise in making me think. I have the Group and Battery diaries that are of interest to me. I have now been obtaining the part of the Corps diaries that relate to the Heavies, that is why your efforts are so useful to me. Also I know where to go for expert advice. thanks again Tony P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemesis Posted 15 March , 2010 Share Posted 15 March , 2010 Great Info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernard_Lewis Posted 16 March , 2010 Share Posted 16 March , 2010 This is very useful for a current project! Many thanks. Bernard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Jones Posted 16 March , 2010 Share Posted 16 March , 2010 Good work, Ron! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borden Battery Posted 13 October , 2010 Share Posted 13 October , 2010 You will find several references in the following: Library and Archives Canada - War Diaries of the First World War This database contains the digitized War Diaries of the Canadian Expeditionary Force (CEF) units. From the start of the First World War, CEF units were required to maintain a daily account of their “Actions in the Field.” This log was called a War Diary. The War Diaries are not personal diaries, rather they are a historical record of a unit’s administration, operations and activities during the First World War. [CEF Study Group - Updated July 2006] http://www.collectionscanada.ca/archivianet/020152_e.html Official History of the Canadian Army in the First World War Canadian Expeditionary Force, 1914-1919 Colonel G. W. L. Nicholson, C.D., Army Historical Section This is the classic reference text [the Bible] for any student of the Canadian Expeditionary Force during the Great War. The original textbook is very difficult to obtain, however, the document is now available in the Adobe .pdf format directly from the historical section of the Canadian Armed Forces website. This document can be “key-word” searched for specific military units, locations and dates. http://www.cmp-cpm.forces.gc.ca/dhh-dhp/his/oh-ho/detail-eng.asp?BfBookLang=1&BfId=22 [Note: The pagination in the on-line document is different than the original document, therefore formal citations with page number references cannot be used. [Note – the CEF Study Group has re-transcribed this complete document as a true facsimile of the original document. Go to http://www.cefresearch.com/matrix/Nicholson/ and click on “Transcription” to access the correctly re-paginated document in either Word or Adobe pdf] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cameron2165 Posted 13 October , 2010 Share Posted 13 October , 2010 Ron, Thanks for your hard work. Very useful. This will save me a lot of time. Regards Cam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Baker Posted 13 October , 2010 Share Posted 13 October , 2010 I have a question for those who have said Ron's list will be useful. My objective is to feed back what you say to TNA. I understand there is a project underway to improve the electronic cataloguing (possibly with one objective being the removal of the red paper indexes held at Kew) which, especially for formation diaries, is not too helpful at present. Here's my question: how will Ron's list be useful? It does not help you identify a specific piece or which diary holds records of which unit, so how else will you be using it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Wayman Posted 13 October , 2010 Share Posted 13 October , 2010 This is a superb piece of work, Ron. What a time-saver! Many thanks. Ken Wayman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Baker Posted 13 October , 2010 Share Posted 13 October , 2010 How, Ken? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Wayman Posted 13 October , 2010 Share Posted 13 October , 2010 How, Ken? In my case, Chris, I find the search tool on the NA website pretty unfathomable - probably my failing! So, rather than try to find the reference for a particular war diary by 'estimation' (as there's no accessible index or even a clear explanation, in my opinion, of the WO95 structure), the broad perameters offered by Ron's list will prove, for me, a timesaver (especially when used in conjunction with E.A.James's 'British Regiments, 1914-1918' and 'Battles & Engagements', along with Becke's/Perry's 'ORBAT', all for battalion, brigade and divisional identification/change.) For an exemplar related to my research: I'm doing the groundwork for a book on the genesis of the role of the BACs and DACs in the Great War - trying to thus fill a gap in the available literature. I've previously wasted much time and good temper in attempting to locate the WO ref. of many DACs via the NA's search tool. As I'm a bit of a technophobe, the above (Ron's) method works for me. And time equals research for me. Now, if NA wanted to make an improvement, perhaps they might address their decision to abandon the practice of photocopying sections of war diaries and sending them by mail to those who find difficulty in visiting Kew. I had a major heart op. last May and have not been able to access vital war diaries, so my research into the personal diaries of a gunner from 9th Division has stagnated. An email of polite protest to NA (through the official channels) did not elicit even an automatic acknowledgement, let alone an explanation. I do not claim to speak for the masses, only for myself. Cheers mate. Ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Baker Posted 13 October , 2010 Share Posted 13 October , 2010 Thanks, Ken - a very specific and valuable response. I'd be grateful for any more from other members. On the photocopying front - I can only see that getting worse, I'm afraid. Just a feeling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Wayman Posted 13 October , 2010 Share Posted 13 October , 2010 Thanks, Ken - a very specific and valuable response. I'd be grateful for any more from other members. On the photocopying front - I can only see that getting worse, I'm afraid. Just a feeling. Fortunately, Chris, I've made a surprisingly good recovery and will be able to travel to Kew in November for a few days' intensive research. Every cloud...! Best regards Ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Clifton Posted 13 October , 2010 Author Share Posted 13 October , 2010 Here's my question: how will Ron's list be useful? It does not help you identify a specific piece or which diary holds records of which unit, so how else will you be using it? Perhaps it is for others to reply, but to give a few examples: if you are looking for the War Diary of 9th Divisional Ammunition Column, or 137th Brigade M/Gun Company, or 137th Brigade Light TM Battery, the present search tool will not find it for you. My table allows you to browse a particular block of diaries in TNA's catalogue to find the one you want. It also gives an outline of the structure of WO95: France first, then Italy, and so on. That was why I compiled it in the first place, and for my own use. Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernard_Lewis Posted 13 October , 2010 Share Posted 13 October , 2010 Chris - my use of Ron's list has been as follows: I wanted to look at 38th (Welsh) Division war diaries at Kew. I knew some of the reference numbers from earlier research but did not know exactly which was the first and the last WO 95 number that I needed to take into account for the WHOLE division. Maybe its me but I never find searching on the TNA website to be especially easy. For example I wasn't sure how to 'define' in a search string that I wanted to find the WO 95 number for e.g. the 38th (Welsh) Field Ambulance Worshop diary or the Veterinary section diary etc. I dare say there is some sort of TNA fuzzy search that will find these but to me its just, well, fuzzy! I used Ron's list to identify a complete list of Welsh Div WO 95 references that I needed to look at and then searched the TNA site for each relevant WO 95 reference. This then told me what unit that diary referred to and I considered whether I needed to look at it. I would add that I already had downloads of some relevant diaries but Ron's work saved me a fair bit of time lost in trying numerous search combinations of unit names. I was at Kew last week with a Ron assisted 'list of relevant WO references' to be looked up and it worked well. I also used Ron's list to find several brigade and corps diary reference numbers. Maybe I've missed some obvious TNA electronic shortcuts here but I came away being very grateful for Ron's work. At Kew I did use the big bound volumes to look at e.g. CAB and HO file references. I don't think these are online but if they were they would be a great help to prospective visitors. For example I was interested in looking at annual police returns for Cardiff, Neath and Swansea from 1858 to 1869. I used the HO volume to get the reference numbers during my visit. Easy enough but I'd have saved some time had I had easy electronic access to a list of HO refs prior to my visit. To be honest I didn't search for these pre visit - I just planned to fit them in if time allowed which luckily it did. As I said I don't think they are online but stand to be corrected. Hope this helps, Chris; and thanks again Ron! Bernard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Clifton Posted 14 October , 2010 Author Share Posted 14 October , 2010 Glad to help, Bernard! If you go to TNA's website, then to the Catalogue, and select "Browse" there is a box to fill in asking where you want to browse from. If you put in CAB1 you will get a list of all the classes withing CAB, of which there are about 180. Here is a sample of the results: CAB 1 Cabinet Office: Miscellaneous Records 1183 CAB 2 Committee of Imperial Defence and Standing Defence Sub-committee: Minutes 9 CAB 3 Committee of Imperial Defence: Home Defence Memoranda (A Series) 8 CAB 4 Committee of Imperial Defence: Miscellaneous Memoranda (B Series) 62 CAB 5 Committee of Imperial Defence: Colonial Defence Memoranda (C Series) 12 CAB 6 Committee of Imperial Defence: Defence of India Memoranda (D Series) 8 CAB 7 Colonial Defence Committee, and Committee of Imperial Defence, Colonial Defence Committee later Oversea Defence Committee: Minutes, Reports and Correspondence 34 CAB 8 Colonial Defence Committee, and Committee of Imperial Defence, Colonial Defence Committee later Oversea Defence Committee: Memoranda (M and ODC Series) 56 CAB 9 Colonial Defence Committee, and Committee of Imperial Defence, Colonial Defence Committee later Oversea Defence Committee: Remarks (R Series) 21 CAB 10 Committee of Imperial Defence: Colonial Defence Committee, later Oversea Defence Committee: Minutes 10 CAB 11 Colonial Defence Committee, and Committee of Imperial Defence, Colonial Defence Committee later Oversea Defence Committee: Defence Schemes 319 CAB 12 Committee of Imperial Defence: Home Ports Defence Committee, later Home Defence Committee: Minutes (HPDC and HDC Series) 6 CAB 13 Committee of Imperial Defence: Home Ports Defence Committee later Home Defence Committee: Memoranda and Sub-Committees Papers (HPDC, HDC, and ADGB Series) 31 CAB 14 Committee of Imperial Defence: Air Committee: Minutes and Memoranda (AC and AP series) 5 CAB 15 Committee of Imperial Defence, Committee on the Co-ordination of Departmental Action on the Outbreak of War, and War Cabinet, War Priorities Committee: Minutes, Papers and War Books 85 The number at the end of each entry is the number of files in the class. If you put CAB15/1 into the browser, you will get a list of all the files in CAB15. If you put in CAB15/50, say, you will get a portion of the same list starting at that file. In each case the results come back as several pages and you can step through them in the same way as on this Forum. (I think that there is a top limit of 3,000 on the number of results returned.) If you put A into the browser, you will get a list of all the departmental codes. A sample looks like thios: HA Records of the Natural Environment Research Councilá 1á á HB Records of the Office of Electricity Regulationá 1á á HCA Records of the High Court of Admiralty and colonial Vice-Admiralty courtsá 65á 46967á HD Records created or inherited by the Secret Intelligence Serviceá 5á 153á HE Records of the English National Board for Nursing, Midwifery and Health Visitingá 7á 54á HF Records of the Ministry of Technologyá 17á 92á HK Records of the Museums Associationá 3á 67á HLG Records created or inherited by the Ministry of Housing and Local Government, and of successor and related bodiesá 160á 109453á HMC Records of the Royal Commission on Historical Manuscriptsá 10á 1277á HN Records of the Central Computer and Telecommunications Agency and predecessorsá 3á 38á HO Records created or inherited by the Home Office, Ministry of Home Security, and related bodiesá 407á 238740á HP Records of the National Radiological Protection Boardá 4á á HR Records of the Marshall Aid Commemoration Commissioná 3á 36á HS Records of Special Operations Executiveá 7á 3528á HT Records of the Commission for Local Administration in England (Local Government Ombudsman)á 4á 40á HV Records of the Crown Estate Paving Commissioná 3á 39á HW Records created and inherited by Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ)á 40á 26900á HX Records of the Civil Service Occupational Health Service and the Civil Service Occupational Health and Safety Agencyá 16á 183á HY Records of the Intervention Board for Agricultural Produceá 7á 19á The two final numbers (ignore the a's) are the number of classes with that prefix, and the total number of files,. Happy hunting! Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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