StevenV Posted 24 January , 2016 Share Posted 24 January , 2016 Hello seaJane, I'm afraid I could find no mention of Lionel Tudway in the text and he's not listed in the roll of officers held at the camps that's included at the end of the book (though the roll is apparently incomplete). Something that might interest Julian though; nothing to suggest Woolley learnt Turkish but he did give classes in Italian and talks on the Hittites and Roman Frontier Problems. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaJane Posted 24 January , 2016 Share Posted 24 January , 2016 Thanks for looking! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 24 January , 2016 Author Share Posted 24 January , 2016 ... Something that might interest Julian though; nothing to suggest Woolley learnt Turkish but he did give classes in Italian and talks on the Hittites and Roman Frontier Problems. ... Thanks Steve - the Hittites are a little bit of an odd favourite of mine as a sideline, but Roman frontiers are very much my thing. Never realised that Woolley ever had anything to do with them, him being known as a Mid-east specialist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaJane Posted 30 April , 2017 Share Posted 30 April , 2017 I saw this on the English Heritage timeline at Wroxeter (Viroconium) this morning:- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 2 May , 2017 Author Share Posted 2 May , 2017 Thanks Jane... Not certain as yet who the other four were (unless Owen was one of them?), but REM Wheeler not only returned but went on to see service in WW2. And of course sterling service on 'Animal, Vegetable. Mineral?'! When nobbit a lad I was fortunate enough to meet him twice... Hope Wroxeter was looking spiffing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaJane Posted 2 May , 2017 Share Posted 2 May , 2017 Pretty spiffing but there was a damn cold wind! I am tempted to pursue the other archaeologists - no indication that Owen was one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest Posted 2 May , 2017 Share Posted 2 May , 2017 Pray do not forget D.G.Hogarth- effectively commissioned RN during the war for his "professional" knowledge of the Near East- Naval Intelligence Division and Arab Bureau. It was Hogarth who was partly responsible for TEL's early development as an archaeologist......Lawrence and a schoolm chum cycled all over the Thames Valley making brass rubbings in churches and noting all sorts of other details. Their efforts are rewarded by honourable mentions in the reports of the Ashmolean (190 for sure-I think one other as well). So don't chuck those old museum reports away (As a bookseller, the Ashmolean refs.to TEL make them very desirable) Presume Lionel Tudway was one of the Tudways of Wells and thereabouts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaJane Posted 2 May , 2017 Share Posted 2 May , 2017 34 minutes ago, voltaire60 said: Presume Lionel Tudway was one of the Tudways of Wells and thereabouts? Yes, his family still live in the house he retired to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 2 May , 2017 Share Posted 2 May , 2017 Yes-the Tudways don't stray far. As he is mentioned, then may I recommend "Wessex from the Air" by Ossy Crawford and Alexander Keiller- The story of how air photography developed almost by accident as a sideline of the war is a fascinating one..... And it might even have a picture of Chateau SeaJane in it!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaJane Posted 2 May , 2017 Share Posted 2 May , 2017 So it might, if they flew close enough to Wincanton to notice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 3 May , 2017 Author Share Posted 3 May , 2017 11 hours ago, seaJane said: Ah... The original 'Hole in the Wall'! Somewhat embarrasing for me teaching Roman Architecture, etc., over here as all we have to boast about from the period in dear Britannia are essentially bits of wall, as Wroxeter. Lincoln. Leicester. etc... Back on topic, as it were, are the "Byzantine" coins sometimes found in gardens or 'junk shops' and the like in the UK, now believed generally to be 'bring-backs' by soldiers serving in Egypt and Palestine, and not - as was once thought - evidence for trade contacts between Britannia and the "Byzantine" Empire... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James A Pratt III Posted 4 May , 2017 Share Posted 4 May , 2017 During the Galipoli campaign the French army found some acient artifacs while digging a trench. So they sent a team of archiologists to help dig them up ect while the battle was still going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 5 May , 2017 Author Share Posted 5 May , 2017 12 hours ago, James A Pratt III said: During the Galipoli campaign the French army found some acient artifacs while digging a trench. So they sent a team of archiologists to help dig them up ect while the battle was still going on. Indeed! There is something on this in the ANZAC battlefield survey report - I'll check it out later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 8 May , 2017 Author Share Posted 8 May , 2017 Yes, Anzac Battlefield, pp. 16-19, reports 'Archaeology at Gallipoli in 1915'. Inter alia it mentions a letter dated 16th December by a Sgt-Maj. R.S.Jones, RE, who transcribed a Greek inscription there, which was later published by G.Norwood in Classical Quarterly, January 1917: Jones was KIA 27th December 1915... There is also a section there on the French excavations at Helles, on-going from May 1915-12th December 1915, reported (it seems) in the Bull.Corr.Hell. 39, 135-240. One of their objectives was, apparently, to signal how "French cultural values could prevail, even in the midst of death and suffering"...(!)... Incidentally, when I was excavating with the Niedersachsisches amt fuer Bodendenkmalplege on the Tank training grounds at Soltau back in the 70's, I met up with members of a Bundeswehr unit who did the same work on the live-firing ranges - does or did the UK army ever have a similar unit? When I did some survey work on the Northumberland ranges in the 1980's I heard nothing about such a body... Julian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaJane Posted 8 May , 2017 Share Posted 8 May , 2017 Would help if I knew what Niedersachsisches amt fuer Bodendenkmalplege meant - I know pathetically little German *is embarrassed* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPT Posted 8 May , 2017 Share Posted 8 May , 2017 26 minutes ago, seaJane said: Would help if I knew what Niedersachsisches amt fuer Bodendenkmalplege meant - I know pathetically little German *is embarrassed* My German sources tell me it's "Lower Saxony office for ground conservation" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 9 May , 2017 Author Share Posted 9 May , 2017 14 hours ago, seaJane said: Would help if I knew what Niedersachsisches amt fuer Bodendenkmalplege meant - I know pathetically little German *is embarrassed* 13 hours ago, IPT said: My German sources tell me it's "Lower Saxony office for ground conservation" That one is a tongue twister by itself, although not as bad as the second part of the name of a site I am currently working on - Bilhorod-Dnistrovskyi... I can't seem to get past the Dnist... Anyway, IPT's translation is spot on, but it was actually the name for the archaeological office for Lower Saxony... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaJane Posted 9 May , 2017 Share Posted 9 May , 2017 I don't know if the Army has its own archaeological unit as such, but there is Op Nightingale: https://www.opnightingaleheritage.com/ http://www.wessexarch.co.uk/OperationNightingale http://www.army.mod.uk/royalengineers/units/32526.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Strawbridge Posted 11 May , 2017 Share Posted 11 May , 2017 On my research of casualty women I have the following. CWGC has an Abbie Gardner as a civilian who died 21st January 1918 and is buried in Cairo, Egypt. It is suggested that she may have been related to Ernest A. Gardner, a re-known archaeologist of the time. A link, once removed, is Beatrice Isabel Jones, QAIMNS, died 14th January 1921 in Baghdad. She was a friend of Gertrude Bell, an archaeologist who assisted in redrawing the boundaries of Iraq after the War. Now for a foreign one. Jeanne Paule Rachel Dieulafoy (nee Magre) of Toulouse, France. She died 25th May 1916. She and her husband, Lieutenant-colonel Marcel Auguste Dieulafoy, travelled widely and in particular the Middle East. He was originally a railway engineer but archaeology took hold. They travelled throughout Morocco, Egypt and Iraq trying to prove that Gothic European architecture was derived from Eastern architecture and they both wrote books on the subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimberley John Lindsay Posted 11 May , 2017 Share Posted 11 May , 2017 (edited) Dear Jim, Brilliantly found details. well done! Apropos the death of Matron Beatrice Isabel Jones, QAIMNS, p. 343 of Georgina Howell's "Daughter of the Desert" (Macmillan, 2006) has this:- 'Then there was Miss Jones, the wartime matron in Basra, now running the civil hospital in Baghdad; however seldom these two busy women could meet, she became one of Gertrude's closest women friends in iraq. When Miss Jones died a little later, Gertrude recalled her kindness at the officers' rest home when she had been admitted with jaundice. She walked behind the Union Jack that covered her friend's coffin at the military funeral, and as she listened to the "Last Post" she hoped that, when one day people walked behind her own coffin, it would be with thoughts not unlike hers for the good matron.' Indeed, the mention of the capable Beatrice Jones having been a wartime matron in Basra, reminded me of a snapshot which shows Lieutenant Ronald Stuart Moberly, IARO, erstwhile Quartermaster of 1st Battalion, 32nd Sikh Pioneers (but wearing red tabs of a staff officer: 'Railway Transport Officer, Mesopotamia 1918-19'), with a matron at Basra, and a fellow-patient with major's rank, attached. Perhaps Matron Jones? Kindest regards, Kim. Edited 11 May , 2017 by Kimberley John Lindsay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beechhill Posted 11 May , 2017 Share Posted 11 May , 2017 (edited) Am I the only one imagining Phil Harding in a tin hat insisting on digging the trench with his trowel? Edited 11 May , 2017 by Beechhill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaJane Posted 12 May , 2017 Share Posted 12 May , 2017 Just spotted this thread: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Strawbridge Posted 12 May , 2017 Share Posted 12 May , 2017 The actual letters home from Gertrude Bell was similar to those in post 46 :- But as Matron in Chief she was a tower of strength and I personally loved her for all her kindness to me, beginning from the time when I had jaundice in Basrah and not a soul to look after me. She was an angel of goodness, poor Miss Jones. She was buried in the cemetery where General Maude is buried - I hadn't been there since that day - and they gave her a military funeral with the bugle call of the Last Post and the salute of rifles into the empty air. And I hoped as I walked behind the Union Jack that covered her coffin that when people walked behind my coffin it would be with thoughts even dimly resembling those that I gave to her - valiant, warm-hearted woman”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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