louvain Posted 30 June , 2007 Share Posted 30 June , 2007 My wife has been researching her great grandfather whose details are below. Our problem is whilst we have established he was in the 1st/7th battallion of the King's Liverpool Regiment we do not know how to get the details of his company etc.. Can anyone throw any light on this man or his battalion in the days around his death. I have ordered Wyrall's history from the local library, but am still waiting for it to arrive.........any ideas how we can make progress would be really appreciated. ELLISON, WILLIAM Initials: W Nationality: United Kingdom Rank: Private Regiment/Service: The King's (Liverpool Regiment) Unit Text: 1st/7th Bn. Age: 35 Date of Death: 15/04/1918 Service No: 306846 Additional information: Son of James and Annie Ellison, of 1, Holt St., Liverpool; husband of Emily Ellison, of 24, Moorgate St., Edge Hill, Liverpool. Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 27 to 30. Memorial: LOOS MEMORIAL Many thanks in advance..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggers Posted 30 June , 2007 Share Posted 30 June , 2007 louvain Welcome to the Forum. 1/7 KLR was a Territorial unit based at Park Street, Bootle. From early 1916 they were part of 165th Brigade in 55th (West Lancs) Division, and remained so until the Armistice [brig. James: 'British Regiments...']. The same author's 'Record of Engagements...' shows that the 55th Div were in the Battles of the Lys, 9-29 April and in particular in the Battles of Estaires, 9-11 April and of Hazebrouck, 12-15th. William seems old for the trenches. Do you have his Medal Card obtainable from the National Archives online, at £3.50? There are plenty of experts on every facet of the War on this Forum, and I am sure you will get more from specialists. Have you been through the advice given on the Long, Long Trail (follow the link at the head of these pages)? There is also a Divisional History written by Rev J.O. Coop, a chaplain through the war, which describes the campaign but gives few names other than senior officers. If you know whether your man died of wounds (which could be some time after the event) or was killed in action, you may be able to place things more accurately. Good luck with your hunt. Daggers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce Posted 30 June , 2007 Share Posted 30 June , 2007 Volume 3 of the Kings History which you have on order confirms what you already know, but actually doesn't help much more. On April 15th, the 7th were relieved from the line, and moved back to Camblain Chatelaine (PAGE 659). The losses of the previous few days are not recorded in the records. Could it be that your man was killed at some time during the previous few days, when the 7th were heavily involved in the battles of Estaires and Bailleul, and his death only reported when the opportunity arose for a roll-call> Or else, if he was killed in the 15th, it was just as they were being relieved. I hope this helps a bit....sorry I couldn't find more. Bruce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebriggs Posted 30 June , 2007 Share Posted 30 June , 2007 Hello He doesn't appear to have a pre-1917 4-digit Territorial number (only a 6-digit number) on his MIC record. This could mean that he arrived in France after March/April 1917. He may well have been a Derby Scheme Man or was conscripted ? Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Lees Posted 30 June , 2007 Share Posted 30 June , 2007 William seems old for the trenches. By April 1918 I don't think 35 was in any way old for the trenches. His service number indicates that he was originally a member of the 8th Battalion, King's Liverpool Regt. (The Liverpool Irish). Ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Lees Posted 30 June , 2007 Share Posted 30 June , 2007 From the Battalion War Diary: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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pgardiner1418 Posted 30 June , 2007 Share Posted 30 June , 2007 Louvain, Here is a picture of his inscription on the Loos Memorial. All the best, Paul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
louvain Posted 2 July , 2007 Author Share Posted 2 July , 2007 Our heartfelt thanks for all the help.......even a picture of the memorial - extracts from war diaries...unbelievably kind. We do have the medal card, the only detail being the "Roll" that appears to read:- Roll H/2/102 B 49 Page 8051 William received the Victory and British medals. We also found a scan of his memorial plaque, but the family have no idea of the original's whereabouts. His brother James was also killed in action, detail below. Name: ELLISON, JAMES Initials: J Nationality: United Kingdom Rank: Private Regiment/Service: South Lancashire Regiment Unit Text: "C" Coy. 9th Bn. Age: 32 Date of Death: 25/04/1917 Service No: 13835 Additional information: Son of James and Annie Ellison, of 31, Holt St., Edge Hill, Liverpool. Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead Grave/Memorial Reference: E. 1053. Cemetery: KARASOULI MILITARY CEMETERY I am not sure if we can do any more to identify what Company William was in at the time of his death or the exact date when that happened. I do know that all your contributions have moved us both tremendously. Thank you all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apwright Posted 18 July , 2007 Share Posted 18 July , 2007 louvain, Here's brother James' grave at Karasouli. Killed in action at the First Battle of Doiran. If you'd like a larger version, just send me a PM. Regards, Adrian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
louvain Posted 19 July , 2007 Author Share Posted 19 July , 2007 louvain, Here's brother James' grave at Karasouli. Killed in action at the First Battle of Doiran. If you'd like a larger version, just send me a PM. Regards, Adrian Thank you very much. I have sent a PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liverpool annie Posted 19 July , 2007 Share Posted 19 July , 2007 Hi louvain ! In the Ich Dien ( the history of the South Lancs ) there's just a small mention of the 9th battalion April 1917 But my file is too big ..... and I can't make it smaller !! I'd be glad to send it to you if you send me a PM !! Annie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
louvain Posted 19 July , 2007 Author Share Posted 19 July , 2007 Hi louvain ! In the Ich Dien ( the history of the South Lancs ) there's just a small mention of the 9th battalion April 1917 But my file is too big ..... and I can't make it smaller !! I'd be glad to send it to you if you send me a PM !! Annie You are very kind. I have sent a PM. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
louvain Posted 21 July , 2007 Author Share Posted 21 July , 2007 Thanks to the help we have received from this forum, we now know that James was killed during the First Battle of Doiran, most likely in an area known as the "Senelle Ravine". "Googling" this phrase produces just one result - an account of the same action from the Worcestershire Regiment. Fascinating reading now we know James was there. And thanks to Annie we've learnt a little Welsh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
louvain Posted 5 August , 2007 Author Share Posted 5 August , 2007 I have now received Wyrall's history from the British Library - William was the only recorded casualty on the day he died. He does not appear on the Ancestry Pension records..........a bit of a mystery man William! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karasouli Posted 7 December , 2007 Share Posted 7 December , 2007 Our heartfelt thanks for all the help.......even a picture of the memorial - extracts from war diaries...unbelievably kind. We do have the medal card, the only detail being the "Roll" that appears to read:- Roll H/2/102 B 49 Page 8051 William received the Victory and British medals. We also found a scan of his memorial plaque, but the family have no idea of the original's whereabouts. His brother James was also killed in action, detail below. Name: ELLISON, JAMES Initials: J Nationality: United Kingdom Rank: Private Regiment/Service: South Lancashire Regiment Unit Text: "C" Coy. 9th Bn. Age: 32 Date of Death: 25/04/1917 Service No: 13835 Additional information: Son of James and Annie Ellison, of 31, Holt St., Edge Hill, Liverpool. Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead Grave/Memorial Reference: E. 1053. Cemetery: KARASOULI MILITARY CEMETERY I am not sure if we can do any more to identify what Company William was in at the time of his death or the exact date when that happened. I do know that all your contributions have moved us both tremendously. Thank you all. Name: ELLISON, JAMES Initials: J Nationality: United Kingdom Rank: Private Regiment/Service: South Lancashire Regiment Unit Text: "C" Coy. 9th Bn. Age: 32 Date of Death: 25/04/1917 Service No: 13835 Additional information: Son of James and Annie Ellison, of 31, Holt St., Edge Hill, Liverpool. Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead Grave/Memorial Reference: E. 1053. Cemetery: KARASOULI MILITARY CEMETERY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
louvain Posted 22 January , 2008 Author Share Posted 22 January , 2008 A belated thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
louvain Posted 27 January , 2010 Author Share Posted 27 January , 2010 We also found a scan of his memorial plaque, but the family have no idea of the original's whereabouts. Well, a long overdue update. My wife now has the memorial plaque for her great grandfather, William Ellison. It's arrival was a moving moment. The experts on this forum have informed us that William joined the Kings Liverpool Regiment on or around the 26th May 1915, his original service number was 4366 and that his battalion changed from 8th to the 7th sometime during his short service. Many thanks to those of you who, through the PM system and the above posts have helped us to learn so much about William and his brother James. I also need start inquiring into two of my relatives who were with the Dorsets - Serjeant Arthur Joseph Hoskins (1st battalion) who survived the war and his brother Henry Hoskins (who was in 5th battalion) and who sadly died at Gallipoli in 1915. Better go start (Edited following kind clarification from pgardiner1418 - thanks) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinBattle Posted 27 January , 2010 Share Posted 27 January , 2010 There are 13 listings for men from Chideock who did not return:- 001 BOBBETT JJ 183495 HMS HAMPSHIRE 05/06/1916 ROYAL NAVY 002 CLOTHIER RW 24158 6TH BN 27/08/1918 DORSETSHIRE REGIMENT 003 CURTIS CJ 34209 7TH WEST AND CUMB YEOMANRY BN 21/09/1918 BORDER REGIMENT 004 GREENHOW DE - 45TH SQDN 06/03/1917 ROYAL FLYING CORPS 005 GRINTER RL 10565 5TH BN 10/09/1915 DORSETSHIRE REGIMENT 006 GRINTER WGT 860599 3RD DORSET BDE 12/07/1918 ROYAL FIELD ARTILLERY 007 HOSKINS H 9941 5TH BN 07/08/1915 DORSETSHIRE REGIMENT 008 HUSSEY R 186110 HMS QUEEN MARY 31/05/1916 ROYAL NAVY 009 LUCAS CDN - HMS INDEFATIGABLE 31/05/1916 ROYAL NAVY 010 SAMWAYS SJ 10607 C COY 5TH BN 21/08/1915 DORSETSHIRE REGIMENT 011 SQUIRE EJ 200349 1ST/4TH BN 28/09/1917 DORSETSHIRE REGIMENT 012 TUCK T 184815 HMS BULWARK 26/11/1914 ROYAL NAVY 013 WHELLER L 307240 1ST/8TH BN 27/08/1917 ROYAL WARWICKSHIRE REGIMENT There are several Dorsetshires, one, Robert Leonard Grinter was also 5th Battn and died only a few weeks later.... they may have been boyhood pals. He was one of 12 Dorsets killed that day, including 3 officers 001 ANGELL J 10712 5TH BN 07/08/1915 DORSETSHIRE REGIMENT 002 BRADFORD E 10657 5TH BN 07/08/1915 DORSETSHIRE REGIMENT 003 CARUTHERS-LITTLE AWP - 5TH BN 07/08/1915 DORSETSHIRE REGIMENT 004 EASON S - 5TH BN 07/08/1915 DORSETSHIRE REGIMENT 005 GOULD JJ 10435 C COY 5TH BN 07/08/1915 DORSETSHIRE REGIMENT 006 HALL F 10999 5TH BN 07/08/1915 DORSETSHIRE REGIMENT 007 HOSKINS H 9941 5TH BN 07/08/1915 DORSETSHIRE REGIMENT 008 LE MARCHANT HN - 5TH BN 07/08/1915 - - 11/08/1915 DORSETSHIRE REGIMENT 009 RICKETTS G 10734 5TH BN 07/08/1915 DORSETSHIRE REGIMENT 010 SLATER FG 10331 5TH BN 07/08/1915 DORSETSHIRE REGIMENT 011 WARREN FJ 11099 5TH BN 07/08/1915 DORSETSHIRE REGIMENT 012 WELCH CJ 10375 5TH BN 07/08/1915 DORSETSHIRE REGIMENT I'm sure Pals will tell you which War Diaries and books cover the events of that day. Just so anyone can look up SDGW or "other" Family History websites, Harry's details are:- Name: HOSKINS, HENRY Initials: H Nationality: United Kingdom Rank: Lance Corporal Regiment/Service: Dorsetshire Regiment Unit Text: 5th Bn. Age: 23 Date of Death: 07/08/1915 Service No: 9941 Additional information: Son of George and M. Hoskins, of Chideock, Bridport, Dorset. Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 136 to 139. Memorial: HELLES MEMORIAL Hope this all helps others help you!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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