Khaki Posted 27 December , 2014 Share Posted 27 December , 2014 Did the Artillery and Naval PO.8's find their way as general issue outside of their nominal use, or did they stay within the confines of Artillery and Naval units? khaki Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancashire Fusilier Posted 27 December , 2014 Share Posted 27 December , 2014 Did the Artillery and Naval PO.8's find their way as general issue outside of their nominal use, or did they stay within the confines of Artillery and Naval units? khaki khaki, From the many photographs which are available, it seems that Georg Luger's longer barrelled ' Artillery ' P08 pistol was popular with German troops in general, including Front-line Shock Troops. Regards, LF 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khaki Posted 27 December , 2014 Author Share Posted 27 December , 2014 Thanks LF, Nice group of photo's khaki Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerhunter Posted 27 December , 2014 Share Posted 27 December , 2014 The term "Artillery Luger" is a modern usage. The official German Army term was Lange (long) Pistole 08. Although originally for field artillerymen, it was actually used by all arms of the Army. "Navy Luger" is also modern usage. It was not actually a P08 but rather a P04 and was adopted by the Navy prior to the Army adopting the P08. It is unlikely that the Navy would have "shared" their kit with the Army. (The British Army had extreme difficulty borrowing stuff, even small arms ammunition from the Royal Navy.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 9 January , 2015 Share Posted 9 January , 2015 According to the official 1920 system of weapons markings for the Reichswehr the 'Lange Pistol 08' was still in official use. Trajan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khaki Posted 10 January , 2015 Author Share Posted 10 January , 2015 I agree my artillery is double dated1917 and 1920 khaki Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 10 January , 2015 Share Posted 10 January , 2015 I agree my artillery is double dated1917 and 1920 khaki That makes it one of a very small number of pistols with such markings - I'll see if I can find out how many of these Lange 08's were issued to the Reichswehr. Trajan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwbuff Posted 12 January , 2015 Share Posted 12 January , 2015 Here is mine from 1917 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khaki Posted 12 January , 2015 Author Share Posted 12 January , 2015 Very nice pistol and photo, khaki Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwbuff Posted 13 January , 2015 Share Posted 13 January , 2015 Very nice pistol and photo, khaki Thank you. I'm always trying to improve how to photograph these things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khaki Posted 13 January , 2015 Author Share Posted 13 January , 2015 Your welcome, it would be very useful if there was a forum thread on how to photograph Great War artifacts, lighting cameras etc. I know from members photo's that there is a wealth of talent out there. I know, I would appreciate some 'tips'. khaki Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerhunter Posted 13 January , 2015 Share Posted 13 January , 2015 Here are two top tips. To avoid glare try to use "available light" on a cloudy day. To get a sharp picture, give your camera's auto-focus time to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 13 January , 2015 Share Posted 13 January , 2015 That makes it one of a very small number of pistols with such markings - I'll see if I can find out how many of these Lange 08's were issued to the Reichswehr. A few quick (and surreptitious ) looks at the available literature in various bookshops in Oxford and London suggests that as few as 5000 P08's of all types went to the Reichswehr (Heer and navy) and the Police as a result of the Treaty of Versailles, and that many of the lange P.08's that went that way were given a shorter barrel... Incidentally, I do find it odd that many people interested in German arms do seem to look-down on the Weimar period stuff... I would guess that the majority of what there is was of WW1 vintage, and quite likely also saw service in WW2. Trajan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trenchtrotter Posted 13 January , 2015 Share Posted 13 January , 2015 I have noted on some P08 Lugers a "cut" or groove on top of the chamber where it joins the barrel. I have thought this is where the long barrel and it's sight were removed and a shorter barrel added. Can anyone confirm TT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khaki Posted 13 January , 2015 Author Share Posted 13 January , 2015 Thanks Trajan, For the interesting information, I am sure you are right about ongoing service thru WW2, I would imagine that the Reichswehr inventory of weapons were selected from the best of what was available. My Luger is nothing special, shows honest wear and tear, it's all there and shoots, a local gun dealer just culled it out of his own collection. I suspect that some minor parts are later replacements, no matter I am ok with it. khaki Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwbuff Posted 13 January , 2015 Share Posted 13 January , 2015 Your welcome, it would be very useful if there was a forum thread on how to photograph Great War artifacts, lighting cameras etc. I know from members photo's that there is a wealth of talent out there. I know, I would appreciate some 'tips'. khaki Let me review the documentation that I have and the experiments I have conducted, and I will start or respond to a new topic thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khaki Posted 13 January , 2015 Author Share Posted 13 January , 2015 Here are two top tips. To avoid glare try to use "available light" on a cloudy day. To get a sharp picture, give your camera's auto-focus time to work. Thanks Bh, Duly noted, what's your thoughts on indoor lighting, it always seems to come out 'yellow' and I am always chasing shadows. khaki Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khaki Posted 13 January , 2015 Author Share Posted 13 January , 2015 Let me review the documentation that I have and the experiments I have conducted, and I will start or respond to a new topic thread. Thanks, I will look forward to that khaki Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 13 January , 2015 Share Posted 13 January , 2015 I have noted on some P08 Lugers a "cut" or groove on top of the chamber where it joins the barrel. I have thought this is where the long barrel and it's sight were removed and a shorter barrel added. Can anyone confirm TT All I remember was the reference to Lange P.08's being re-barrelled in 1920 making them short P.08's... There should be something on this on one of the US of A web sites - on my occasional dips into GBForum I have seen references to dedicated luger sites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Upton Posted 13 January , 2015 Share Posted 13 January , 2015 I have noted on some P08 Lugers a "cut" or groove on top of the chamber where it joins the barrel. I have thought this is where the long barrel and it's sight were removed and a shorter barrel added. Can anyone confirm TT Might be of interest: http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?384329-Strange-Luger-Help-Identify&utm_source=Community&2BBulletin=&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=Gunboards-Community-Bulletin-2015-01-07 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trenchtrotter Posted 13 January , 2015 Share Posted 13 January , 2015 Might be of interest: http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?384329-Strange-Luger-Help-Identify&utm_source=Community&2BBulletin=&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=Gunboards-Community-Bulletin-2015-01-07 Andrew, many thanks, exactly hat I needed. I was partially right! I must join that forum as I do find it useful on the odd search I have done. Many thanks again TT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerhunter Posted 14 January , 2015 Share Posted 14 January , 2015 I have noted on some P08 Lugers a "cut" or groove on top of the chamber where it joins the barrel. I have thought this is where the long barrel and it's sight were removed and a shorter barrel added. Can anyone confirm TT I see that someone has posted a link. However it worth reiterating that at some point after the introduction of the Lange P08, all Erfurt Lugers had that cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 30 June , 2017 Share Posted 30 June , 2017 On 1/10/2015 at 03:41, Khaki said: I agree my artillery is double dated1917 and 1920 khaki Hi Khaki, Any chance of a photograph of those markings? Julian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khaki Posted 6 July , 2017 Author Share Posted 6 July , 2017 On 30/06/2017 at 21:35, trajan said: Hi Khaki, Any chance of a photograph of those markings? Julian Here ya go, I had the devil of a problem getting the photo as I have somehow managed to jam the ladder sight and I couldn't elevate it to illuminate the dates very well, but I think you will be able to make them out, I have sold a few firearms lately, mostly rifles, but including a Nagant revolver that I just didn't enjoy shooting. regards khaki Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 6 July , 2017 Share Posted 6 July , 2017 Thanks for that and sorry about that jammed sight. What I'd really like to see are examples of the 1920 mark on these and the other small arms permitted to the Reichswehr - except bayonets and rifles and carbines, of which I have seen plenty! That said, I am also especially interested in seeing the marking when it it is found on weapons made in 1920 or later - the latest example I know of is on a 1934 'Luger'. Julian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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