auchonvillerssomme Posted 19 April , 2013 Share Posted 19 April , 2013 Can anyone guide me on this one. 10. P. 2. 197. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thGordons Posted 19 April , 2013 Share Posted 19 April , 2013 I'll wait to be corrected but according to this basic guide possibly: 10th Pioneer Regiment, 2 Company, weapon 197. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shippingsteel Posted 19 April , 2013 Share Posted 19 April , 2013 Chris is onto it. I think this mob ... the Hannoversches Pionier-Bataillon Nr.10 , 2nd Kompanie , Waffe Nr.197 The sawback bayonets were more commonly issued to the Pioneer units, as they often needed them in their work. Cheers, S>S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auchonvillerssomme Posted 20 April , 2013 Author Share Posted 20 April , 2013 Thank you, it was picked up, we think, near Arras by the Chaplains Batman of 6th Y&L's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 1 March , 2014 Share Posted 1 March , 2014 I think I have finally got back to the first post I did not see after my incident back in 2013! So, a very lovely and nicely desirable marked high ears job.... And just to help those who like such minituae, year? maker? I'll make a guess - W/06 or W/08? Erfurt maker? SS is quite right on the P for pioneer, but let us not forget that sawbacks went to other units also, apparently for NCO use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 3 March , 2014 Share Posted 3 March , 2014 Auchonvillerssomme, A few more bits and pieces to add... The Hannoversches Pionier-Bataillon Nr.10, 2. Kompanie was with the 20.Infanterie Division, the X. Armeekorps, 2. Armee, 1914-1918, which did move to the East and back a few times before ending up in 1918 in the west. Don't do divisional histories per se, but was your 6th Y&L's ever against the 20.Division? I.e., does the location of the division fit with the possible Arras provenience for this bayonet? Incidentally, the unit could trace their origins back to 1804 (as the Königlich Hannoverschen Ingenieur-Korps) and I gather that they had the Garrison honours "Gibraltar" and the Battle Honours "Peninsula" and "Waterloo" on their flag (there is, if you don't know it, a great column commemorating the latter in Hannover, the Waterloo Column!). There is a nice 1915 (Minden) studio photo of a unit member, Willi Peyer, on http://www.flickr.com/photos/drakegoodman/3099204089/ - with a 98/05 m.S, and given the date, probably a high ears, which it does seem to be in the photo; and there is a group photo of the 2. OR 4.Kompanie captioned 'Weltkrieg 1914', while at Brunsbuttelkoog (Belgium?), on - and the visible bayonets all seem to my eyes to be pionier faschinenmesser 1871...!!! Best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auchonvillerssomme Posted 11 March , 2014 Author Share Posted 11 March , 2014 Trajan, many thanks for that, I haven't researched his unit but the man who brought it home wouldn't necessarily of picked it up immediately after an action, it is fairly battered, he used it in the garden! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 11 March , 2014 Share Posted 11 March , 2014 Still a nice piece! Wouldn't mind finding that in a garden!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 12 March , 2014 Share Posted 12 March , 2014 I haven't researched his unit... Forgot to add, that you can find the history of the division and its movements here - http://wiki-de.genealogy.net/20._Division_(Alte_Armee) Best, Trajan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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