Tinhat47 Posted 10 February , 2009 Share Posted 10 February , 2009 Here's my 1907 model bayonet made by Chapman in Nov. 1918 that I just won (no reissue marks!). It's a beauty! http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3475/326886...713ab12.jpg?v=0 http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3432/326886...a23d485.jpg?v=0 I'm told that Chapman didn't make all that many of these and that they're more rare than Wilkinsons and Sanderson. I'm not sure if it makes a difference, but the grooves on the release button are parallel with the blade. I have another 1907 made in 1943 and the release button's grooves are oriented in the other direction. http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3404/326886...3ac6629.jpg?v=0 The blade's been sharpened so I'm guessing it was actually issued at one point. The color the wood has turned is a beautiful dark brown and matches the furniture on my 1918 SMLE like they were made for each other. I'm not sure if the scabbard is original or not. It's black leather with the black top and tip, teardrop lug and stamped "RE" right above the staple holding the top on. http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3431/326888...0234505.jpg?v=0 http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3505/326803...8d52e5c.jpg?v=0 The whole thing smells of grease and oil ... I love it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
findabetterole Posted 10 February , 2009 Share Posted 10 February , 2009 Looks to be a very nice example Matt. Incidentally, may I ask what the selling price was? Yes, your correct, Chapmans are one of the rarer manufacturers. What you may not know, is that Chapman stamped the ricasso with one of either of the firms two logo's = Chapman or JAC, and the stamping was of fairly equal number. However, the JAC varieties are now the rarer, and command a slightly higher price. In reference to the two grooves on the bayonet release catch.. don't worry about them, for they are not anything specific. The catch itself is made up of three items... 1) The thumb plunger (which is screwed threaded inside), and has two slots milled into the outer edge to facilitate removal or tightening. 2) An inner tensioner spring. 3) A retaining lug which catches behind the 'Bayonet Bar' on the SMLE nose-cap, upon the 'Thumb Plunger' being depressed.. then released upon the bayonet having been located. The inner bar of the retaining lug is screw threaded, and this thread is what the 'Thumb Plunger' screws onto. May we see a cuple of pics of the complete blade? You've just entered My World! Seph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinhat47 Posted 10 February , 2009 Author Share Posted 10 February , 2009 Sure! Here you go: http://www.geocities.com/maithu_ruadh/IMG_2041.JPG http://www.geocities.com/maithu_ruadh/IMG_2042.JPG I am wondering why the ricasso area is darker than the rest of the blade ... Oh yes, I paid U.S. $99 for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
findabetterole Posted 10 February , 2009 Share Posted 10 February , 2009 Thank You! Yes.. you most definatelly have one of the better Chapman examples that I have seen over the years. The blades cutting edge, although sharpened, is whats called (in a contradictory term) unsharpened. It shows no signs of being sharpened by a file or sharpening wheel.. outside of the original manufacturing process. A very nice blade... a little staining in the fullers.. buts thats expected. Original securing bolts.. correctly placed... and what looks to be the original hand-grips... Very nice! The blueing to the ricasso is part of the normal manufacturing process. As your item shows no re-issueing stamps, the blueing is original to the manufacture date, thus more collectable. The olny point that concerns me, is the right hand numeral '1' of the fugure '11' which forms the month of manufacture. Its not of the same design or size as the other two numreral '1'. It also looks to be engraved. $99.00... thats about lower high range, and due to questionable manufacture date, I would not have gone so high. In fact, I would have left it alone. However, the overall condition is better than most.. well done! Seph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinhat47 Posted 10 February , 2009 Author Share Posted 10 February , 2009 Thanks! I'd hoped you'd take a look at it when I posted it, O Bayonet Master! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
findabetterole Posted 10 February , 2009 Share Posted 10 February , 2009 I put an extra comment in about a point concerning the manufacture date, which I noticed after a second look. Did you notice the difference before you bid? Seph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinhat47 Posted 10 February , 2009 Author Share Posted 10 February , 2009 Hmmmm ... here's a really close view http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3389/326835...709b39d.jpg?v=0 What do you think it means? Could it be a Jan. 1918 that someone tried to add an extra one to conveniently match the Armistice? Or could the whole thing be faked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thGordons Posted 10 February , 2009 Share Posted 10 February , 2009 Since Seph didn't mention it - the scabbard is a (RE)mington produced one. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshdoc Posted 10 February , 2009 Share Posted 10 February , 2009 It doesnt look a wrong un more like its simply a case of poor stamping of the 1 , but then as we all know I am no expert on bayonets only the Vickers 1913 (he he he ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
findabetterole Posted 10 February , 2009 Share Posted 10 February , 2009 Matt.. thank you for the vertually machro view of the '11' stamping... I tried but couldn't get it that close in! I've re-assessed the whole thing, and I take back my previous assumption. There is no way that anyone trying to upgrade the month date stamp could possibly align the '1's' so perfectly. Its certainly a missplaced hammer blow, resulting in an offset stamping. A much better find than I previously thought. The marvels of modern techknowledgy eh? As Chris has prompted me.. The American manufacturer of Remington, not only produced '07's from April to December 1915 (100.000 total), but also produced spare scabbard: Chapes, Lockets, Scabbard leathers, and Full Scabbards. Each item was stamped with either: RE, RE, or RE within a circle. So your scabbard could be either a complete US made item, or one which has been retro-fitted. Nice to see my compadrie and Pattern 1913 (Vickers) expert.. a-la-carte.. Welshdoc! Any new finds? Seph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinhat47 Posted 10 February , 2009 Author Share Posted 10 February , 2009 Thanks for the info ... I'm relieved it was just a tool slip and nothing worse! To add the the mishmash of British bayonet and American-made scabbard, it came with what appears to be a P37 bayonet frog, except it's dark green instead of khaki, and is marked 1945. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
findabetterole Posted 10 February , 2009 Share Posted 10 February , 2009 The WW2 bayonet frog is all a part of that particular items history. The '07' remained in service with the British and Commonwealth armed forces well into the late 50's. Pakistan and India kept it.. along with the SMLE.. till much later. Some early examples = pre-WW1, upgraded during WW1 and WW2, have come out of Iraq from the two Gulf wars of 91 and 03.. with Iraq markings. So.. the '07' still lives in use, and is now 101 years old. Hows that for an Old Soldier! Seph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshdoc Posted 11 February , 2009 Share Posted 11 February , 2009 My only new one is a Sanderson dated 12/ 18, nice condition with scabbard with a 1937 pattern frog. No reisssue marks. £55 from the back of a dealers car in a boot sale!. It will be added to my collection of Urban war kitchen knives and cleavers bought on EvilBAY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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