Guest KevinEndon Posted 25 May , 2008 Share Posted 25 May , 2008 Can a pal have a look to see if either 11371 Sjt Quinn RSF or 15362 Sjt Quinn have a link to Kilbirnie or Glengarnock please. tia Kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Procat Posted 25 May , 2008 Share Posted 25 May , 2008 Hi Kevin, I am assuming you are after the SDGW info? Name: William Quinn Rank: Sergt Number: 11371 Regt etc: Royal Scots Fusiliers Batt etc: 6th Battalion Born: Johnstone, Renfrewshire Enlisted: Kilmarnock, Ayrshire Residence: Johnstone Died Date: 26 Sept 15 Died How: Died Theatre: France & Flanders Name: William James Quinn Rank: Sergt Number: 15362 Regt etc: Royal Scots Fusiliers Batt etc: 6th Battalion Born: Ardee, Co. Louth Enlisted: Ayr Died Date: 20 Feb 16 Died How: Died of wounds Theatre: France & Flanders Doug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest KevinEndon Posted 25 May , 2008 Share Posted 25 May , 2008 Cheers Doug, the info on SDGW shows that the two soldiers could easily have came from Kilbirnie as Johnstone and Ayr are nearly the same distance apart. I cannot get on ancestry to see if their papers still exist to either prove they have no or not have a connection with Kilbirnie or Glengarnock. Kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Procat Posted 25 May , 2008 Share Posted 25 May , 2008 Hi Kevin at this time there are no service records on Ancestry for either man. Here are the MICS: Doug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest KevinEndon Posted 25 May , 2008 Share Posted 25 May , 2008 Cheers Doug, the dead end is still dead. Many thanks for your help though. Notice how both men sailed on the same day, same rank, both died, both the same regiment. There is no way I can say which one is the bloke I am after. I am stuck on 4 men from Kilbirnie, Quinn being one of them. I guess I will have to wait until the 1911 census comes out. Kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Procat Posted 25 May , 2008 Share Posted 25 May , 2008 Ancestry have still not loaded all the service records so with a bit of luck you may not have to wait for the 1911 census. I bet their mail got mixed up though. Doug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralphjd Posted 25 May , 2008 Share Posted 25 May , 2008 Kevin, Scotland census 1901 WILLIAM QUINN birthplace GLENGARNOCK civil parish KILBIRNIE born 1899 The only WILLIAM J QUINN on the site was born in 1866, obviously not your man. Cannot see any other Willam Quinns with this birthplace/civil parish) Any help ? Ralph. Edit: Just noticed the other lad came from Ardee Co Louth so he wont appear in Scotlands census, silly me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest KevinEndon Posted 25 May , 2008 Share Posted 25 May , 2008 Ralph, we are onto something with the top man born 1899, thats almost sure to be the man. He is on the Glengarnock steelworkers memorial, the Auld Kirk memorial and the Civic memorial. Can we take that out of 2 sjts one would not appear on the Scottish census therefore the only other one can be the one I am after or am I jumping the gun a little. Kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralphjd Posted 25 May , 2008 Share Posted 25 May , 2008 Kevin, If it was one of mine I was searching I would stop searching, 99.99% certain its yer man. Ralph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest KevinEndon Posted 25 May , 2008 Share Posted 25 May , 2008 Thank you Doug and Ralph and of course Geoff501, if 99.9% is good enough for Ralph then its good enough for me. Is everyone else who has been following this tread in agreement. Kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralphjd Posted 25 May , 2008 Share Posted 25 May , 2008 Kevin, Thanks for the confidence in my supposition, if you look at the facts it has to be him. 1) W J Quinn was born in Ireland, only enlisted in Ayr, probably working there. 2) W Quinn was born and lived in the same place, the fact that Ayr and Johnstone are of similar distances apart is I am sure a complete coincidence. 3) Rechecked:- NO other Quinn with a Kilbirnie/Glengarnock connection other than William. Regards Ralph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Llewellyn Posted 25 May , 2008 Share Posted 25 May , 2008 Well done Ralph. You can't argue with the facts Kevin, it's got to be your man. Llew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest KevinEndon Posted 25 May , 2008 Share Posted 25 May , 2008 He is down as found, that now leaves me 3 men to bring in Quinn was down as a private and not Serjeant, so the following info imay not 100% correct the forename and the regiment may well be wrong. Pte JOHN BARBOUR RSF Pte ANDREW BOYCE Royal Scots and Pte THOMAS DOCHERTY Royal Engineers. fingers crossed Kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralphjd Posted 25 May , 2008 Share Posted 25 May , 2008 Kevin, I take it that these lads have Kilbirnie/Glengarnock connections ? there is an ANDREW BOYCE on Scotland Census born 1897 in DALRY AYRSHIRE not too far away ? son of Charles and Janet . Just a guess. Ralph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest KevinEndon Posted 26 May , 2008 Share Posted 26 May , 2008 That is looking good Ralph but I cant find an Andrew Boyce of any regiment on SDGW or CWGC. Geoffs search engine is drawing a blank so where do we go next. Kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Procat Posted 26 May , 2008 Share Posted 26 May , 2008 Hm, There is however an Andrew Boyle, Private, 22667 on SDGW though there does not appear to be a Kilbirnie/Glengarnock connection. I wonder if it could be a wrong name on the memorial? Doug Edit: His service record has him born Kilmarnock, Ayr, Occupation Miner, Examined at Musselburgh? There is also mention of Glencorse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest KevinEndon Posted 26 May , 2008 Share Posted 26 May , 2008 I doubt if its an error as the war memorial to the steelworkers in Glengarnock has Andrew Boyce Royal Scots on it as well, surely 2 memorials would not have the same error. Kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caroline@linkagecomputing.co.uk Posted 26 May , 2008 Share Posted 26 May , 2008 Two Thomas Docherty's show up on Ancestry as Royal Engineers although there a lot of others so may have missed someone Thomas James Docherty Royal Engineers Number: 119890 248 Stobeross Street, Anderston, Glasgow MIC Served 25/09/15 Discharged 27/09/16 This therefore does not appear to be your man Thomas Docherty Royal Engineers Number 61236 no address MIC served Eygpt 25/09/15 Will have a look at Census for 1901 and see if any help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest KevinEndon Posted 26 May , 2008 Share Posted 26 May , 2008 Thank you Caroline, that would be a brilliant help, Kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caroline@linkagecomputing.co.uk Posted 26 May , 2008 Share Posted 26 May , 2008 1901 Census Thomas Docherty Age 9 abt 1892 son Father William Mother Annie Where born Stevenson Ayrshire Registration Number 615 Registration District Stevenson Civil Parish Stevenson County Ayrshire Address Burnbank St Occupation Scholar ED 4 Household Schedule number 215 Line 1 Roll CSSCT1901-237 Annie 43 Annie 12 Ellen 7 Margaret 14 William 47 coal miner William 18 First detail from Ayrshire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caroline@linkagecomputing.co.uk Posted 26 May , 2008 Share Posted 26 May , 2008 2nd detail from 1901 Census Born in Ayrshire but moved away Thomas Docherty Age 5 abt 1896 Son Father William Mother Helen Gender Male Where born Maybole, Ayrshire Registration Number 644/11 Civil Parish Glasgow govan LanarkshireAddress 62 So Wellington St Ed 36 Household Schedule 90 Line 13 Roll CSSCT1901_309 Ellen 3 Helen 33 Jeanie 9 Robert 8 William 32 Insurance Agent William 10 Lodger Thomas Sloan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caroline@linkagecomputing.co.uk Posted 26 May , 2008 Share Posted 26 May , 2008 Final Ayrshire Thomas Docherty Age 3 Son Father John Mother Elizabeth Where born Beith Ayrshire Reg 587 Reg District Dalry Civil Parish Dalry County Ayrshire Address Low Auchingree Ed 12 HousehoSchedule 31 Line 7 Roll CSSCT1901_222 Agnes 9 Elizabeth 39 Elizabeth 14 John 42 Freestone Quarryman John 12 Rachel 6 I have discounted one other as too old born 1854 Not sure if this is helpful my geography of Ayrshire is somewhat sketchy I have to admit ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest KevinEndon Posted 26 May , 2008 Share Posted 26 May , 2008 Its number 3. Auchengree is on the outskirts of Kilbirnie. What was his number please. Well researched Caroline, many thanks for taking the time to help me Kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralphjd Posted 26 May , 2008 Share Posted 26 May , 2008 Kevin, Re Boyce only one on the NA served with the Royal Highlanders no S/14481, on Ancestry with a SWB. Ralph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caroline@linkagecomputing.co.uk Posted 26 May , 2008 Share Posted 26 May , 2008 Well now we have a new problem as these are the census results for 1901 and now we need to tie one of the Thomas Docherty's war /MIC to him.......I have checked through the "burnt" records on Ancestry...but no Aryshire ones seem to be present ...got side tracked reading about a man who's wife wanted him taken back into the army during the War thought this somewhat unusual! Total red herring! Now working on Pension records...lots of these have no address on first page ...no regiment...so have to open each and read until address turns up. ok think I may have him I have Thomas Docherty Birth Beith Ayrgshire 28/04/1917 address Trades hotel Glengarnock next of kin Agnes Docherty/-19 Holmhead Kilbirnie Occupation Steelworker TF 2/6 Argyll Sutherland number 6962 or 1262 R313003 seems to have been posted about the place returned after injury to different regiments mentions Sapper Thomas Docherty and Royal Engineers at one point lots of different numbers most crossed out and difficult to read seems to have been wounded 1918 and unfit for service. I will have to send you the file tomorrow ...not possible at moment ...just hope this one is him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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