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Frederick John MATTHEWS


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Hi Chaps,

I found this fellow and belive that he's one of my GWR chaps:

Name:MATTHEWS, FREDERICK JOHN

Initials:F J

Nationality:United Kingdom

Rank:Private

Regiment/Service:Coldstream Guards

Unit Text:1st Bn.

Age:30

Date of Death:22/12/1914

Service No:11685

Additional information:Son of Mrs. Elizabeth Matthews, of 49, Ormond Rd., Wantage, Berks.

The chap I have was born in Wantage in 1889 (2q/2c/309) and started work in the GWR Swindon Works as a Lifter on 08/10/1912 (aged 23),

The first chap died in 1914 aged 30 and I can see no season for my chap to lie about his age and as Wantage is only a few miles away as the rails fly, I suspect that he would have caught the milk train into Swindon, so he wont show up on any Swindon census / absent voters list.

Any help connecting these two appreciated

Grant

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Grant,

I've got a few photos of the GWR memorial held at Temple Meads Station here in Bristol. It's the same GWR memorial as held by many stations. There is a "Matthews F J" listed under the Swindon list under the Locomotives & Carriages section. The photos aren't my best work because the paper memorial is behind perspex!

Les

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11685 was born and lived Wantage, enlisting in Reading probably September 1914

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Hi Les,

Thats where I got my name from, also the GWR Magazine.

This Frederick is the nearest one to Swindon, I just need some help to connect them, but the ages don't tie up

Hi Coldstreamer,

I saw that on SDGW, bit for some reason couldn't copy it over :-(

Do you have any more on him ?

Grant

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mic

post-3871-1211621321.jpg

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Cheers for Mic

At the bottom, under "theatre of war served in", it says "date of entry therein".

Would that date be when he first embarked to France ?

No address on back I suppose? - I should be so lucky :-(

Grant

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yes to France

no address sorry

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Thanks,

Are there any records of when he would have enlisted ?

If there are, where would I find them ?

Grant

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As you can see below from this small sample from my records it would indicate he joined September 1914 (or 2014 as computer doesnt know what century it lives in!)

Exact date would be on his service papers. You can buy a copy from the guards archives, wellington barracks, birdcage walk, London for £25 . With such a small amount of service you may not get much extra info for your money than you have already

11667 05/09/2014

11669 06/09/2014

11669

11672

11679

11680 08/09/2014

11682 25/01/2018

11683

11690 04/09/2014

11692

11694 05/09/2014

11696 05/09/2014

11699 05/09/2014

11701 06/09/2014

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Thanks,

On his service papers, would his civillian occupation have been recorded ?

Grant

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should be on there

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Cheers coldstreamer

Will look for them next week

Grant

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you need to write to them to get a copy

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Hello Grant

Here is a photo of Frederick. He was obviously MIA before being declared dead.

post-859-1211830717.jpg

Regards

Mel

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Mel,

Cheers for the pic, where did you get it from?

Coldstreamer,

Do you have a name and postcode for the guards archives ?

Grant

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Grant

It was originally published in the Reading Standard and then reproduced in the 5 CD set of Berkshire and the War.

Regards

Mel

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you just need to address to the Archivist Coldstream Gds - dont know a postcode off hand sorry but there is enough of an address for the post office

will try and find it

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Don't know if this helps but I think this is Frederick John Matthews birth reg 1889 Wantage on the 1891 and 1901 Census

1891 Census

Cornhill Cottages, West Challow, Berkshire

John Matthews, Head, 27, Agricultural labourer, Born Westcott Berks

Elizabeth S Matthews, Wife, 30, Born Brimstone Berks

William D Matthews, Son, 3, Born Wanborough, Berks

Fredk J Matthews, Son, 1, Born West Challow, Berks

John Matthews married Elizabeth Sophia Iles in 1887 Wantage RD

1901 Census

Manor (?) Farm, Wantage, Berks

John Matthews, Head, 35, Cowman on Farm, Born Westcott Berks

Elizabeth Matthews, Wife, 40, Born Brimstone Berks

William Matthews, Son, 14, ? Boys ? Errand (Porter), Born Wansborough Oxon

Frederick Matthews, Son, 12, ? Boys ? Errand (Porter), Born Cornhill Oxon

Albert Matthews, Son, 10, Born Cornhill Oxon

Edwin Matthews, Son 7, Born Wantage Berks

Albert Henry Matthews birth reg 1891 Wantage RD

Edwin Arthur Matthews birth reg 1894 Wantage RD

John Matthews death reg June Qtr 1915 Wantage aged 47 years

Regards

Pam

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Coldstream Gds Archivist

Wellington Barracks

Birdcage Walk

London

SW1E 6HQ

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Hi Pam,

Thanks for the info, this is certainly my chap:

Frederick Matthews, Son, 12, ? Boys ? Errand (Porter), Born Cornhill Oxon

The boy porter could really place him on the station, and thats a small step to the works.

But, it dosen't tie the coldstreamer to my chap as if he died in 1914 aged 30, he would have been born c 1884

Grant

Cheers for the address coldstreamer

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Hi Grant

Have recently found your posts regarding Fred Matthews. He is one of the guys I have been researching on the Wantage War Memorial. I have a copy of his service record from the Coldstream Guards which gives his occupation as Wagon Lifter which ties in nicely with your GWR records. If you are interested I have photos of his name on the Le Touret l and Wantage Memorials. Would be interested in any info you have received about him since your last post.

Many thanks

Trevor

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Trevor,

I have PMed you

Yes please to offer, will have a look next week to see if I have any more on him

Grant

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