shred Posted 9 May , 2008 Share Posted 9 May , 2008 Hi Pals, I have been trying to find a bit more info on the Reagent Square Memorial (Salford) and have come across an inscrption to J Ashworth, see below. The inscription goes on to say "died prisoner of war", yet I can find no mention of him on CWGC. Any info would be of help. TIA Regards, Garry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Hartley Posted 9 May , 2008 Share Posted 9 May , 2008 Garry You may need to do some more local digging to see if you can establish perhaps his first name or if he had other names. Or a clue as to year of death It may be that he is actually listed but under a diffferent initial. Or, of course, he may not have been serving with the Manchesters at time of death. As he is a possible non-commemoration candidate, I'm asking a moderator to move the thread to that section. It may be that the In From The Cold project has already got an answer to the question. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Denham Posted 9 May , 2008 Share Posted 9 May , 2008 The only J Ashworth (Mancs) listed on SDGW and GRO is the following. It could easily be him as PoWs are often recorded on the memorial nearest to their place of capture if their grave is unknown. Name: ASHWORTH, JOHN Initials: J Nationality: United Kingdom Rank: Private Regiment/Service: Manchester Regiment Unit Text: 20th Bn. Age: 30 Date of Death: 11/10/1917 Service No: 10318 Additional information: Son of Joseph and Elizabeth Ashworth, of 181, Higher Brinksway, Stockport; husband of E. E. Ashworth. Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 120 to 124 and 162 to 162A and 163A. Memorial: TYNE COT MEMORIAL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted 9 May , 2008 Author Share Posted 9 May , 2008 Thanks John and Terry. I will do some digging to check it is the correct man. Garry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted 9 May , 2008 Author Share Posted 9 May , 2008 Terry, Looks like the wrong man, the John Ashworth your search gave you is accounted for on Johns website here. Regards, Garry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Denham Posted 9 May , 2008 Share Posted 9 May , 2008 Then, as he is not listed anywhere, perhaps he did not die, used an alternative name or he had other initials as well as 'J'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Hartley Posted 9 May , 2008 Share Posted 9 May , 2008 I'd spotted "my" man - he doesnt seem to fit the bill at all. This chap seems the only likely Manc PoW who is listed: ASHWORTH Initials: S Nationality: United Kingdom Rank: Private Regiment/Service: Manchester Regiment Unit Text: 2nd Bn. Date of Death: 07/05/1917 Service No: 1758 Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead Grave/Memorial Reference: IV. D. 9. Cemetery: VALENCIENNES (ST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted 6 June , 2008 Author Share Posted 6 June , 2008 Have been reading Manchester Pals by Michael Stedman, page 243 gives details for a J Ashworth 49477 22nd Battalion was awarded a MM (London Gazette 4.2.1918) Cannot find Gazette entry or MIC on Ancestry. Am I doing something wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralphjd Posted 6 June , 2008 Share Posted 6 June , 2008 Shred, 49447 Ashworth J has a Medal Index Card on the NA, not all cards are on Ancestry yet (700,000 approx still to go on ) Ralph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralphjd Posted 6 June , 2008 Share Posted 6 June , 2008 Shred, He is in the London Gazette number 30507 1/2/1918 49447 Ashworth J M/CRS (BURY) Ralph. (looks like you had his number as 49477 not 49447) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted 6 June , 2008 Author Share Posted 6 June , 2008 Ralph, thanks for the information provided. The search continues. Garry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC78 Posted 18 February , 2020 Share Posted 18 February , 2020 (edited) Had a look in the Red Cross POW records, the only J Ashworth serving with the Manchester Regiment is this man: No service number given, but the only John Ashworth I could find in the medal rolls who served with the 2nd Manchester Regiment was this man: Which led me to this in the WFA pension records: This man was born in 1889 and lived at 47 Featherstall Road, Oldham. I'm not entirely convinced he's the same man on the memorial as there's no obvious Salford connection, but the pension ledger states that TB was attributable to service so he looks like a promising non-com case. Find a Grave says that he is buried at Chadderton Cemetery: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/181254689 But having said that, I can't find him in the Oldham Council burial records: https://www.oldham.gov.uk/info/200388/cemeteries_graves_and_memorials/641/cemeteries Edited 18 February , 2020 by PaulC78 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisharley9 Posted 18 February , 2020 Share Posted 18 February , 2020 Paul Remind me next week about this one as I know where to check for burial Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8055Bell Posted 19 February , 2020 Share Posted 19 February , 2020 Chris / Paul, John Ashworth is already in the IFCP system. Pte Ashworth (Born 1890) enlisted on 12/12/1915 and served overseas with 23rd & 2nd Bttns. He was discharged 31/7/1918 with SWB, aged 28. He received a Pension for 100% Disability for TB attributed to Service. John died from TB on 30/5/1920, aged 30. Reg Oldham Q2 1920 8d/685. Buried Chadderton Cem 5/6/1920. ND 138. Son of Robert and Mary Ashworth, 47 Featherstall Ln, Oldham. I don't think he is Garry's POW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC78 Posted 19 February , 2020 Share Posted 19 February , 2020 Good stuff, one less to worry about! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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