ahaenga Posted 2 May , 2008 Share Posted 2 May , 2008 I am trying to trace my great uncle William Malcolm who left NZ around 1913 and was not heard of again. The attached photo is not the best as it was a photocopy of a photo. The original photo had on the back William Malcolm - Randalstown c/- Antrism Ireland Is this a uniform of the RIC or is it of the british army or NZ army? Any help to identify this uniform would be really appreciated. Thanking you Anne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squirrel Posted 2 May , 2008 Share Posted 2 May , 2008 Looks like British Army Service Dress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahaenga Posted 2 May , 2008 Author Share Posted 2 May , 2008 Looks like British Army Service Dress. Thank you, this is a great start. I was told he was in the army but did not find any records for NZ army and as the local NZ news papers said he was demobolised in England he must have been in the British Army. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 2 May , 2008 Share Posted 2 May , 2008 I am trying to trace my great uncle William Malcolm who left NZ around 1913 and was not heard of again. The attached photo is not the best as it was a photocopy of a photo. The original photo had on the back William Malcolm - Randalstown c/- Antrism Ireland Is this a uniform of the RIC or is it of the british army or NZ army? Any help to identify this uniform would be really appreciated. Thanking you Anne Anne, he is wearing a British Army pattern Service Dress (SD) uniform as squirrel said. He also has a good conduct badge on his left forearm (for 2 years) in the form of an inverted chevron. He is also wearing a 'slade wallace pattern' waist belt and carrying a swagger cane for 'walking out'. He also appers to have a badge on his right forearm which might indicate a badge of rank of warrant officer, although the photo is too small to be sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squirrel Posted 2 May , 2008 Share Posted 2 May , 2008 He wouldn't be wearing a Good Coduct badge if he were a CSM. Only worn by Privates and Lance Corporals IIRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frogturn Posted 2 May , 2008 Share Posted 2 May , 2008 Hi,I don't know if this is your man , but there is only one that fits the bill on the national archives medal roll and that is; Medal card of Malcom, William G Corps Regiment No Rank Labour Corps Eastern Command ex Essex Regiment 67136 32416 Private . Could this be your man? Regards,Paul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian turner Posted 2 May , 2008 Share Posted 2 May , 2008 Anne, My guess is Royal Engineers - I think that is his cap badge, and I had already wondered (from your other thread) that being a bridge builder the RE would have been the regiment to exploit his experience. Looking at the MICs he could be one of: Medal card of Malcolm, William H Corps: Royal Engineers Regiment No: 135254 Rank: Sapper... 1914-1920 WO 372/13 Medal card of Malcolm, William Barrie Corps: Royal Engineers Regiment No: 282547 Rank: Pioneer 1914-1920 WO 372/13 Medal card of Malcolm, William A S Corps: Royal Engineers Regiment No: 71776 Rank: Sapper 1914-1920 WO 372/13 Medal card of Malcolm, William Corps: Royal Engineers Regiment No: 53233 Rank: Driver 1914-1920 WO 372/13 Medal card of Malcolm, William Corps: Royal Engineers Regiment No: WR/600249 Rank: Sapper 1914-1920 WO 372/13 Medal card of Malcolm, William Corps: Royal Engineers Regiment No: 189024 Rank: Sapper... 1914-1920 WO 372/13 Medal card of Malcolm, William Corps: Royal Engineers Regiment No: 57876 Rank: Sapper 1914-1920 WO 372/13 But if he did not serve overseas (ie. in a theatre of war) he might not have received the usual campaign medals. You could try for the army service records for the above - you might be lucky. Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollydot Posted 2 May , 2008 Share Posted 2 May , 2008 Anne If you take a look at the PSNI (Police Service of Northern Ireland ) website you'll be able to see some RIC uniforms. Good hunting. Evelyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWRCo Posted 2 May , 2008 Share Posted 2 May , 2008 Hi anne, .....hope the following is of use to you as i live in Antrim. The long gone (and forgotten) randlestown camp was built on the Shanes Castle estate which is still in the hands of the O'Neill family. The estate runs from antrim to randlestown. In randlestown itself, there was a militia barracks/RIC barracks, but this is now along the lines of a restaurant or something (as of this month & year), whilst a few years back the barracks was a car showroom! The O'Neill estate is on private property, and is open to the public occasionally, but i can tell you that the camp was constructed from wood, being 'duration only'. There are photos of the camp on the internet, and have seen some on ebay, but you have to search for them. There may be records at the National Archives on the camp, as well as the records at the Imperial War Museum & National Army Museum. You could also try the Royal Engineers museum to see if they have any info, etc, on the camp. Another source to try is the Public Records Office (PRONI) here in N.Ireland, which is on the outskirts of Belfast. tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahaenga Posted 3 May , 2008 Author Share Posted 3 May , 2008 Anne, My guess is Royal Engineers - I think that is his cap badge, and I had already wondered (from your other thread) that being a bridge builder the RE would have been the regiment to exploit his experience. Looking at the MICs he could be one of: Medal card of Malcolm, William H Corps: Royal Engineers Regiment No: 135254 Rank: Sapper... 1914-1920 WO 372/13 Medal card of Malcolm, William Barrie Corps: Royal Engineers Regiment No: 282547 Rank: Pioneer 1914-1920 WO 372/13 Medal card of Malcolm, William A S Corps: Royal Engineers Regiment No: 71776 Rank: Sapper 1914-1920 WO 372/13 Medal card of Malcolm, William Corps: Royal Engineers Regiment No: 53233 Rank: Driver 1914-1920 WO 372/13 Medal card of Malcolm, William Corps: Royal Engineers Regiment No: WR/600249 Rank: Sapper 1914-1920 WO 372/13 Medal card of Malcolm, William Corps: Royal Engineers Regiment No: 189024 Rank: Sapper... 1914-1920 WO 372/13 Medal card of Malcolm, William Corps: Royal Engineers Regiment No: 57876 Rank: Sapper 1914-1920 WO 372/13 But if he did not serve overseas (ie. in a theatre of war) he might not have received the usual campaign medals. You could try for the army service records for the above - you might be lucky. Ian Thank you Ian, I will start looking for at RE. From 1903 to 1908 - his occupation in the telephone books is carpenter, but from 1910 to 1913 he is listed as a bridge builder Regards Anne Hi anne, .....hope the following is of use to you as i live in Antrim. The long gone (and forgotten) randlestown camp was built on the Shanes Castle estate which is still in the hands of the O'Neill family. The estate runs from antrim to randlestown. In randlestown itself, there was a militia barracks/RIC barracks, but this is now along the lines of a restaurant or something (as of this month & year), whilst a few years back the barracks was a car showroom! The O'Neill estate is on private property, and is open to the public occasionally, but i can tell you that the camp was constructed from wood, being 'duration only'. There are photos of the camp on the internet, and have seen some on ebay, but you have to search for them. There may be records at the National Archives on the camp, as well as the records at the Imperial War Museum & National Army Museum. You could also try the Royal Engineers museum to see if they have any info, etc, on the camp. Another source to try is the Public Records Office (PRONI) here in N.Ireland, which is on the outskirts of Belfast. tim Thank you Tim, yes it adds a bit of history to where William was located. Anne If you take a look at the PSNI (Police Service of Northern Ireland ) website you'll be able to see some RIC uniforms. Good hunting. Evelyn Thanks Evelyn - will do Anne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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