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From the Times of 2 Mar 1921

from checking CWGC we have the following commemorated

Name: WISE, THOMAS

Initials: T

Nationality: United Kingdom

Rank: Private

Regiment/Service: Royal Army Service Corps

Date of Death: 28/02/1921

Service No: 19097

Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead

Grave/Memorial Reference: Addenda Panel.

Memorial: BROOKWOOD (UNITED KINGDOM 1914-1918) MEMORIAL

Name: HODNETT

Initials: L D

Nationality: United Kingdom

Rank: Corporal

Regiment/Service: Royal Army Service Corps

Unit Text: M.T.

Age: 20

Date of Death: 28/02/1921

Service No: M/16638

Additional information: Son of John Hodnett, of 125, Well Hall Rd., Kent. Alternative Commemoration - buried in Cork Military Cemetery.

Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead

Grave/Memorial Reference: Spec. Memorial.

Memorial: GRANGEGORMAN (CORK) MEMORIAL HEADSTONES

Note for Terry is Cork Military Cemetery still unmaintainable

Name: GILL, WILLIAM ALFRED

Initials: W A

Nationality: United Kingdom

Rank: Private

Regiment/Service: Hampshire Regiment

Unit Text: 2nd Bn

Date of Death: 28/02/1921

Service No: 5485999

Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead

Grave/Memorial Reference: Section A1 Plot 500

Cemetery: CHELTENHAM CEMETERY

This leaves non commemorated as far as I know

Signaller G Bowden RE S aged 20

LCpl J Beattie 2nd Hants aged 24 of Plymouth

Bandsman A Whitear 2nd Hants aged 20 died of wounds

Any way to obtain an Irish DC in these cases?

Any help appreciated

Chris

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Neil Clark

Nice find Chris. I wonder if it's possible to find more by searching all Irish Rebel actions? I know this is an area John Morecombe has looked into.

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Terry Denham

Cork is still as was as far as I know but could change.

There are a large number of deaths in Ireland going through at the moment so hold off getting DCs till I check if these are amongst them.

I'll get back to you.

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chrisharley9

Neil & Terry

thanks very much

Chris

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chrisharley9
Nice find Chris. I wonder if it's possible to find more by searching all Irish Rebel actions? I know this is an area John Morecombe has looked into.

Neil

I have started a search & so far come with a few possibles but will wait until Terry gives me an answer on who is already under investigation

Chris

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Sean.

Hi Chris,

Just to bring you up to date with the condition of the Cork Military Cemetery, the ground was landscaped some years ago and was maintained to a degree, but last year they began work on it to turn it into a public park for the area this should be opened within the next few months.

Regards,

Sean

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chrisharley9

Sean

thanks for the update - looks like the commemoration remains at Grangegorman

Chris

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Marc Thompson

Chris / Terry

Reference the Hampshire Regiment non-commemorations, with the help of the regimental museum I have pulled together a case for submitting Beattie and Whitear to CWGC for consideration, this includes death certificates and war diary entries.

This case will be submitted with 2 other non-commemorated Hampshire Regiment soldiers next week and I hope for a positive outcome. If these two lads are already going through the mill for investigation then that is no problem; the main thing is that they are properly considered for commemoration.

Hopefully, this doesn't tread on any toes.

Regards

Marc

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chrisharley9

Marc

good for you mate - at last they will get their due recognition

Chris

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jimmyjames

Pte W A Gill was added to the Debt of Honour database just a couple of years ago. Here is a photo of his headstone in Cheltenham Cemetery.

Regards

Jimmy

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Sean.

Hi Gents,

In case the need arises at a later stage I will search for the death cert for G Bowden RE, as all the others are being investigated (my local office).

Regards,

Sean

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chrisharley9

Sean

that would be great thanks

Jimmy

thanks for the photo

Chris

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Terry Denham

Chris

Just to confirm that BOWDEN, BEATTIE and WISE are all in hand. They were submitted by someone in 2007.

Their cases are with MoD and CWGC as we speak so you can stand down on those.

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chrisharley9

Terry

WISE has already been accepted (see my 1st post)

What I will do this evening is draw up a list from my investigations so far & post in a new thread so as not to duplicate effort with regard to those who died in Ireland

Chris

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Terry Denham

Chris

Sorry. My mistake.

I meant to say BOWDEN, BEATTIE and WHITEAR !

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corisande

I am looking at what happened that day in Cork at the moment. There are a lot of press stories on this link

The odd thing (to me) is that nobody in the IRA seems to claim "responsibility" and I have been unable to find the story from the IRA perspective, which is very unusual. If anyone can give me a reference I would be grateful. The British deaths appear to have been in retaliation for 6 IRA men executed that morning in Cork

The British death were

1.Lance Corporal J E L G Beattie, 2nd Hants Regiment.

2. Private W A Gill, 2nd Hampshire

3. Signalman G H Bowden, 6th Divisional Signal Company

4. L/Corporal L D Hodnett, Royal Army Service Corps

5. Private T Wise/Wyse, Royal Army Service Corps

6. Private Whitear, 2nd Hampshire

7. Private Vince may or may not have been part of this bout of killings

Wise, Hodnett, Gill and Vince have CWGC graves, but as far as I can see not Beattie, Bowen or Whitear

As the 3 men are covered in this thread, can someone update what is happening with their non-commemoration

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