chrisharley9 Posted 29 February , 2008 Share Posted 29 February , 2008 I have now created a petion at the No 10 E Petition site - I think it is about time for those civilians who died through enemy action to receive their due recognition alongside the victims of the Second World War Click Here to View & Sign the Petition Can I ask that those of you who are interested in this petition to pass the link on to friends who may be like minded Please note that British citizens abroad are able to sign the peition For Commonwealth citizens can you please bring this to the attention of your governments For Commonwealth citizens living in the UK can you please write to your high commissions Thats go for a result on this one Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old-ted Posted 29 February , 2008 Share Posted 29 February , 2008 Hi Chris, we have both signed. Regards John & Kathleen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisharley9 Posted 29 February , 2008 Author Share Posted 29 February , 2008 Thanks very much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old-ted Posted 29 February , 2008 Share Posted 29 February , 2008 In our area of interest we have the WW1 bombardments of Hartlepool and Seaham. We believe that these casualties are war casualties and should be recorded as such. It will be a mammoth task to research them all. (but very worthwhile) Keep the candle burning. John & Kathleen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisharley9 Posted 29 February , 2008 Author Share Posted 29 February , 2008 I totally agree with you on that one - as my Mrs is from Lowestoft I also have an interest in the casualties that were killed in the bombardments of our coast Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Bennett Posted 29 February , 2008 Share Posted 29 February , 2008 Let us hope that Justice & Right will prevail for all, but especially the Munitions Workers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
centurion Posted 29 February , 2008 Share Posted 29 February , 2008 Chris your posting says civilians who died as a result of enemy action but the petition does not it just says who died. This is an area with very fuzzy edges and I think whilst I would completely agree in principle we do need to be more precise abount what is covered. For example many munition workers died as a result of their war work but not directly from enemy action. Some munitions workers will have died of causes completely unconnected with their work. CWGC are quite clear for men in the forces - if you were serving and died, no matter how, you're comemorated. Can you apply such a simple and clear definition to civilians? Would for example anyone doing war work who died be commemorated? How would you define war work? Would a railway man who died during the period be commemorated for example? Victims of the bombardments and air raids are nice and simple and easy to define as would, say passengers on ships sunk by enemy action. from my experience in dealing with Whitehall your petition needs to be more precise to have any chance of getting through the mandarins who even if ordered to proceed with it will spend days and weeks nit picking until the whole thing becomes unworkable and gets quietly shelved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisharley9 Posted 29 February , 2008 Author Share Posted 29 February , 2008 Centurion I think to make it workable then it would have to be based on the same criteria as the Second World War civilian dead in that they would have to had died as a result of enemy action - as much as I would love to see the munitions workers be honoured I dont see it as very workable Chris Thanks to everyone who has signed so far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jemimajane Posted 29 February , 2008 Share Posted 29 February , 2008 I have signed - having an ancestor who died during a Zeppelin Raid. Jan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
centurion Posted 29 February , 2008 Share Posted 29 February , 2008 Centurion I think to make it workable then it would have to be based on the same criteria as the Second World War civilian dead in that they would have to had died as a result of enemy action I'd agree but your petition just says civilian war dead and I fear that it may be too broad and open to interpretation to succeed. I'm fully in support of the idea just not totally siezed that the petition as constituted will fly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisharley9 Posted 1 March , 2008 Author Share Posted 1 March , 2008 35 signatures so far - thanks to all concerned Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisharley9 Posted 1 March , 2008 Author Share Posted 1 March , 2008 I'd agree but your petition just says civilian war dead and I fear that it may be too broad and open to interpretation to succeed. I'm fully in support of the idea just not totally siezed that the petition as constituted will fly. So you agree in principle - therefore do soemthing - write to your MP - this isnt about civil servants hiding behind words this about doing something that should be done - NOT ONE WILL BE FORGOTTEN Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisharley9 Posted 2 March , 2008 Author Share Posted 2 March , 2008 Another thought - could those of you with you own websites please put a link in to the petition please Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Clark Posted 3 March , 2008 Share Posted 3 March , 2008 Good idea Chris! I support you 100%. I must say there are a few names missing from the petition that I would have expected to be at the very top.... Nothing as queer as folk! I have added a prominent link on Kentfallen which will hopefully generate a few more. Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisharley9 Posted 3 March , 2008 Author Share Posted 3 March , 2008 Neil thanks very much for inserting the link Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisharley9 Posted 3 March , 2008 Author Share Posted 3 March , 2008 103 signatures so far - thanks to all have signed & to those who inserted links etc Now half way to the figure required for an offical response Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Posted 3 March , 2008 Share Posted 3 March , 2008 111 signatures now. Whilst some of the Pals have come up with valid points, I think that an official response is called for. Roxy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisharley9 Posted 3 March , 2008 Author Share Posted 3 March , 2008 Roxy I would like to see thousands - a way to go yet Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grantowi Posted 4 March , 2008 Share Posted 4 March , 2008 Chris, Have signed, but also think that there should be some sort of parameter laid down as to who to include, under what conditions they died and in what sort of time frame? Grant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisharley9 Posted 4 March , 2008 Author Share Posted 4 March , 2008 Grant It would have to be the same conditions as WW2 & the dates as those that already are in force for the Great War Have already been in touch with Terry Denham about this Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaggieSK Posted 4 March , 2008 Share Posted 4 March , 2008 When I first began looking into casualties of the Great War, I was told there were NO civilian casualties. It seems to me that it's something of which many people aren't aware. I've signed the petition, as have other people who are volunteers on the Dover War Memorial Project, and I've put a link up on our DWMP Virtual Memorial website, and also on two other forums. We have, incidentally, a number of civilian casualties buried in our cemeteries, both those who died in our town from bombardments and raids, and those who were lost at sea near our port. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Mackenzie Posted 4 March , 2008 Share Posted 4 March , 2008 Chris My name added and link passed on to others. I am researching my old school memorial which includes 3 young brothers killed in a Zepplin Raid. It would be nice to see them officially commemorated. Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisharley9 Posted 4 March , 2008 Author Share Posted 4 March , 2008 When I first began looking into casualties of the Great War, I was told there were NO civilian casualties. It seems to me that it's something of which many people aren't aware. I've signed the petition, as have other people who are volunteers on the Dover War Memorial Project, and I've put a link up on our DWMP Virtual Memorial website, and also on two other forums. We have, incidentally, a number of civilian casualties buried in our cemeteries, both those who died in our town from bombardments and raids, and those who were lost at sea near our port. Maggie First of all thanks for signing & putting the link in - had a look at your site last night - I must say it is very good Personally I think that the many of the civilian casualties will come from sunken passenger ships as well as air raid & bombardment victims Chris Neil thank you very much Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisharley9 Posted 10 March , 2008 Author Share Posted 10 March , 2008 Now up to 157 signatures - please sign if you are in agreement Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisharley9 Posted 12 March , 2008 Author Share Posted 12 March , 2008 May I point out that the petition has now been signed by the Chief of the Defence Staff Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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