TotalNovice Posted 17 February , 2008 Posted 17 February , 2008 Hi Just found this picture among some papers of my Grandfather. On the back is written; 3/5 L.N.L Firing Course Fleetwood 1915 Just thought I post it in case any other relatives of Loyal North Lancashire Regiment recognise anyone. Do not know what the 3/5 stands for, so also be interested if that could be explaines. Cheers Pete
PhilB Posted 17 February , 2008 Posted 17 February , 2008 It`s the 3rd Fifth battalion. The 5th was a Bolton Territorial battalion that raised extra battalions - the 2nd, 3rd & 4th fifths as the war went on. The 3rd 5th was at Blackpool Oct 1915 to Spring 1916. It didn`t go to France, so he would be transferred elsewhere if he had active service. I was in Fleetwood two days ago - that looks like they were on the sands?
TotalNovice Posted 17 February , 2008 Author Posted 17 February , 2008 Hi Phil B Thanks for the info. Just a touch confused now (nothing new for me these days) I have been led to believe that he went to France in January 1916 with 1/4th Loyal North Lancs. His records show that he enlisted 17 May 1915. Would this mean that he enlisted with 3/5th (probably in Bolton) was trained in Blackpool (by the seaside ) and then he was transferred to the 1/4th, but these remain with Loyal North Lancs, so he didn't actually swap regiments. My understanding would then be that the 3/5th were responsible for recruitment and training and then once completed you would be (subject to status) transferred to an active unit/brigade? Thanks again Pete
PhilB Posted 17 February , 2008 Posted 17 February , 2008 You`ve got it! What`s his name/number? The 1/4 LNL went to France long before he joined them and had lost a lot of men. He`d be a replacement.
punjab612 Posted 17 February , 2008 Posted 17 February , 2008 Doesn't help with your search but Wilfred Owen was a Musketry Officer at Fleetwood for a while in 1916. He lodged at 111 Bold Street in the town. Peter
TotalNovice Posted 17 February , 2008 Author Posted 17 February , 2008 Hi Phil B / Peter Thanks for response. His number was 4861 (later became 202037 in 1917). I understood that the 1/4 L.N.L. shipped out in January 1916 and formed up in Hallencourt between 3rd and 27th. This being 164th Brigade 55th Division. In regards to lodging in the town, I have this other photo which I had all but convinced myself was his 'lodgings' while in training. The grass looks reedy enough to be somewhere by the sea When I posted it earlier this week I asked if anyone could suggest UK or France and response was more likely to be UK as all nice and clean and 'Chinaware' looks new! Thanks Pete
TotalNovice Posted 17 February , 2008 Author Posted 17 February , 2008 Baptised Alf Brindle, but for some unknown reason the 'officialdom' of this world refused to accept this as his name, and so all his papers and documents have his name entered as Alfred Brindle. He is the second from the left front row offering us a brew in the photo with the tents and second from the right back row in the group on the beach photo. Cheers Pete
TotalNovice Posted 17 February , 2008 Author Posted 17 February , 2008 Hi Phil B Now I'm sorry I have to ask this - and trust me I am a little bit gob-smacked - so please don't take this the wrong way, but 'How in the 'ell did you manage to find that out in less than 10 minutes!?' And, if you are able to tell me that is there any other information you could pass-on or at least tell me where to look. I nearly choked on my tea when I read your reply!!! Thanks Pete
PhilB Posted 17 February , 2008 Posted 17 February , 2008 Much simpler than it looks - if you happen to have the Regtl History of the 1/4 LNL which lists all wounded in the back! No further info, except, of course, for a description of the action.
TotalNovice Posted 17 February , 2008 Author Posted 17 February , 2008 Well that one make me feel a bit 'simple'! Phil B, I owe you one! I have no idea where in Lancashire you live but I originate from Bolton (or at least my family does) and I will be visiting Bolton and the area of Brindle village sometime this years or next to fill in some blanks on my family history research. If you are in the area of any of those two let me know and I'll drop of a bottle of something! By the way, I live in the South of Germany so if you have a taste for anything from this part of the world let me know. Many thanks once again! Pete
PhilB Posted 17 February , 2008 Posted 17 February , 2008 No need for that Pete. I`ve had more from members in exchange for a thank you. It`s how the forum works. I was in Brindle last week. I actually live about 10 miles away but my dad`s family originate from Little Lever via Darwen.
TotalNovice Posted 17 February , 2008 Author Posted 17 February , 2008 QUOTE (Phil_B @ Feb 17 2008, 07:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> No need for that Pete. I`ve had more from members in exchange for a thank you. It`s how the forum works. I was in Brindle last week. I actually live about 10 miles away but my dad`s family originate from Little Lever via Darwen. Wow! What a small world it sometimes proves to be!! It was only two weeks ago that I found out the we actually originate from Brindle. My GGGG Grandfather got himself a farm in Wheelton in the early 1800's but apart from facts and figures gathered from various census and online parish records, I don't know much about the places. I'd like to visit the area and see if I can locate some graves etc., Anyway, thanks for all your help Phil. Another piece of the puzzle now firmly in place! All the best Pete
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