Queens Own Cameron Highlanders

[Rob Bulloch]

Hi Rob,

Further to my earlier posting (No.92) I would be obliged if you could inform me of what the 'diaries' of the 6th have on or about the dates he was wounded which was sometime around the 5th to the 9th August 1918.

Thanks in advance

Gordon

Gordon. Sorry I missed your post. the narrative if the Diary of the 6th Cameron's from 1st Aug to 7th Aug 1918. Is as follows.

Aug 1st 1918..... At 9.00 am. continued attack on the right front of the Brigade: objectives Soissons-Chateau Thierry Road. left front Company, gained objective, but Right front Company held up. 10.00 pm. Relieved by the 9th Gordon's: Moved to Viercy. 1 Officer Killed; 14 Other Ranks Killed; 30 Other Ranks Wounded.

Aug 2nd 1918....In reserve, 6.30 pm. Huns retiring, So moved forward to Charantigny.

Aug 3rd 1918.....On relief marched to Soucy and bivouacked.

Aug 4th 1918..... 11.00 am marched to Vivieres and embussed at 12. noon.

Aug 5th 1918.....1.00.am arrived Rosoy.

Aug 6th 1918.....4.30.am Battalion entrained at Liancourt.

Aug 7th 1918.....12.noon Battalion detrained at Frevent and embussed to Liancourt.

No entries for the 8th 9th & 10th Aug 1918..

I hope this is of some help to you .

Aye Rob.

[Patrick Watt]

Hi Rob

Just wondering if you have the War Diaries of the 6th Camerons around the time 15 June to 10 July 1918. My great grandfather was wounded round about this time and was wondering what the Battalion was up to then.

All the best

Patrick

[Waddell]

G'day Rob,

I've been directed towards you for advice from another thread I have running at the moment looking for details of my Great Uncles transfer for a period of time from the Lovat Scouts (10th Camerons) to the Kings Royal Rifle Corps. Thread here-

http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/i...p;#entry1248116

Pte John Todd Clark enlisted 29/4/15 in 2/1 Lovat Scouts. Regimental no. 2807.

His MIC gives-

Camerons S/25780

KRRC R/35302

Camerons S/25780

do 223252

He was demobbed 13/3/19.

It appears that there were a block of Camerons transferred to the KRRC at some stage. I was wondering if you are able to shed some light on when and why? And also any comments about the issue of his other regimental numbers.

Any advice appreciated.

Regards,

Scott.

[MBrockway]

Rob,

Following on from Scott's request in the Post immediately above, I've been investigating the block of Cameron Highlanders/Lovat's Scouts men that seem to have been transferred en masse into the King's Royal Rifle Corps and then back again.

I'd be grateful if you and the other QOCH specialists can cast any further light on this. I daresay our conclusions are going to be mutually useful

Can you see anything in common that links these QOCH men and or suggest units and/or dates for a possible block transfer?

The obvious unit where KRRC and Cameron Highlander units were serving together is 27th Division in Macedonia. Furthermore I have some preliminary evidence of another, larger contiguous block of men transferring into the KRRC from the Royal Scots, who also had units in 27th Div. Seems like a good place to focus in on??

After a lot of digging I have found 34 men that have MICs with mentions of both KRRC and Cameron Highlanders/Lovat's Scouts. Removing those who appear to have moved between the regiments through trench warfare "business as usual" leaves me with the contiguous block of twenty four Other Ranks with KRRC Service Numbers between R/35292 and R/35319 that Scott mentions above.

They're detailed as List A below.

There are four gaps in sequence in this block at R/35294, R/35301, R/35306 and R/35316 where I could not find MICs. The missing numbers may well have been used however.

Some of the KRRC numbers on the MICs were within the sequence range, but did not have the "R" prefix, just the number alone. Since such a run of contiguous numbers seems too unlikely to be a chance coincidence, I have made the assumption that the Army Medal Office has made a mistake and I've corrected them, adding the "R" to all of them since that's what the majority had. The corrected records are identified in the list below so the Pals can make their own minds up.

All but two of these men eventually returned to the Cameron Highlanders/Lovat's Scouts. One who did not was Rfn Phillip ROBERTSON (#21 in my List A) who was discharged (with a SWB) from the KRRC due to Sickness on 31 May 1917. This means we can be confident that this block of men had already transferred to the KRRC before May 1917, and it could also suggest they did not return to the Camerons until after May 1917 ... though clearly Robertson is likely to have been in hospital for some time before being deemed too sick to ever return to active service and it's doubtful whether a man would be transferred while he was under treatment.

The Camerons Service Numbers listed on the MICs after these men had returned to the Camerons are a mixture of the reused original "S" prefix number and what I take to be new 6-digit TF renumbering numbers. Most of these seem to point to 1st/4th QOCH (who seem to have been broken up in early 1916??) or to the Lovat's Scouts Yeomanry numbers. You can probably make more sense of that than I can!

It also seems unusual to me that in a group of 24 men, none were Killed in Action (according to the MICs anyway) and none discharged for Wounds. Furthermore none of these 24 men had entitlement to the 1914-15 Star, so none could have entered a Theatre of War before 1916.

In addition I found an interesting group of five men who enlisted as Other Ranks in the Cameron Highlanders but were then commissioned as Second Lieutenants directly into the KRRC. Four of these five were commissioned on 25/26 September 1917. I can't help feeling this may be linked somehow with the transfer of the Camerons ORs, but clearly these dates do not sit well with the date evidence from Rfn Robertson's Silver War Badge.

I listed them as List B below.

Any additional help you can give with these chaps would also be gratefully received!

Cheers,

Mark

List A - 24 ORs with QOCH -> KRRC -> QOCH (incl Lovat's Scouts)

#01

AITKENHEAD, James

Units: Cameron Highlanders, KRRC, Cameron Highlanders

All Service Nos: S/25778,R/35303,S/25778

1st QOCH #: S/25778

KRRC #: R/35303

#02

ALLISON, John

Units: Cameron Highlanders, KRRC, 3 Coy Lines of Communication, KRRC

All Service Nos: 25785, R 35300, 475514, R 35300

1st QOCH #: 25785

KRRC #: R/35300

#03

CAMERON, Archibald

Units: Cameron Highlanders, KRRC, Cameron Highlanders

All Service Nos: S/25781, R/35295, S/25781

1st QOCH #: S/25781

KRRC #: R/35295

#04

CARSON, William F

Units: Cameron Highlanders, KRRC, Cameron Highlanders

All Service Nos: S/25779, R/35296, 223193

1st QOCH #: S/25779

2nd QOCH #: 223193

KRRC #: R/35296

#05

CLARK, John Todd

Units: Cameron Highlanders, KRRC, Cameron Highlanders

All Service Nos: S/25780, R/35302, S/25780, 223252

1st QOCH #: S/25780

2nd QOCH #: 223252

KRRC #: R/35302

#06

DARROCH, Angus

Units: Cameron Highlanders, KRRC, Cameron Highlanders

All Service Nos: S/25765, R/35310, 223191

1st QOCH #: S/25765

2nd QOCH #: 223191

KRRC #: R/35310

#07

EDMUNDS, Charles

Units: Cameron Highlanders, KRRC, Lovat's Scouts

All Service Nos: S/25762, 35318, 126918

1st QOCH #: S/25762

2nd QOCH #: 126918

KRRC # as per MIC: 35318

KRRC # (corrected): R/35318

#08

FRASER, Murdo

Units: 2nd Cameron Highlanders, KRRC, 1st Lovat Scouts (TF)

All Service Nos: S/25767, R/35309, 386530

1st QOCH #: S/25767

2nd QOCH #: 386530

KRRC #: R/35309

#09

FRASER, Robert

Units: Cameron Highlanders, KRRC, Cameron Highlanders

All Service Nos: S/25768, R/35315, S/25768

1st QOCH #: S/25768

KRRC #: R/35315

#10

FREW, Robert

Units: Cameron Highlanders, KRRC, Cameron Highlanders

All Service Nos: S/25786, R/35293, 223190

1st QOCH #: S/25786

2nd QOCH #: 223190

KRRC #: R/35293

#11

GIBSON, Alexander

Units: Cameron Highlanders, KRRC, Cameron Highlanders

All Service Nos: S/25790, R/35299, 223187

1st QOCH #: S/25790

2nd QOCH #: 223187

KRRC #: R/35299

#12

HORROCKS, Harold

Units: Cameron Highlanders, KRRC, Cameron Highlanders

All Service Nos: S/25775, R/35298, 223186

1st QOCH #: S/25775

2nd QOCH #: 223186

KRRC #: R/35298

#13

IRVINE, Duncan C

Units: Cameron Highlanders, KRRC, Lovat's Scouts

All Service Nos: S/25801, 35292, 126921

1st QOCH #: S/25801

2nd QOCH #: 126921

KRRC #: 35292

#14

MacDONALD, Donald

Units: Cameron Highlanders, KRRC, Cameron Highlanders

All Service Nos: S/25777, R/35297, S/25777

1st QOCH #: S/25777

KRRC #: R/35297

#15

McBRIDE, David

Units: Cameron Highlanders, KRRC, Cameron Highlanders

All Service Nos: S/25771, 35307, S/25771

1st QOCH #: S/25771

KRRC # as per MIC: 35307

KRRC # (corrected): R/35307

#16

McBRIDE, Alexander

Units: Cameron Highlanders, KRRC, Cameron Highlanders

All Service Nos: S/25772, 35313, S/25772

1st QOCH #: S/25772

KRRC # as per MIC: 35313

KRRC # (corrected): R/35313

#17

McINNES, Donald

Units: Cameron Highlanders, KRRC, Cameron Highlanders

All Service Nos: S/25769, R/35308, 223176

1st QOCH #: S/25769

2nd QOCH #: 223176

KRRC #: R/35308

#18

MOLLOY, William

Units: Cameron Highlanders, KRRC, Cameron Highlanders

All Service Nos: S/25761, R/35312, S/25761

1st QOCH #: S/25761

KRRC #: R/35312

#19

PATERSON, Andrew

Units: Cameron Highlanders, KRRC, Cameron Highlanders

All Service Nos: S/25776, R/35304, 223174

1st QOCH #: S/25776

2nd QOCH #: 223174

KRRC #: R/35304

#20

PURDIE, Tom

Units: Cameron Highlanders, KRRC, Cameron Highlanders

All Service Nos: S/25763, R/35311, S/25763

1st QOCH #: S/25763

KRRC #: R/35311

#21

ROBERTSON, Phillip Sidney

Units: 12th Cameron Highlanders, KRRC

Notes: Discharged from KRRC with SWB 31 May 1917

All Service Nos: S/25771, R35305

1st QOCH #: S/25771

KRRC #: R/35305

#22

ROBERTSON, William

Units: Cameron Highlanders, KRRC, Cameron Highlanders

All Service Nos: S/25756, R/35319, 223196

1st QOCH #: S/25756

2nd QOCH #: 223196

KRRC #: R/35319

#23

TWEEDIE, James B

Units: Cameron Highlanders, KRRC, Cameron Highlanders

All Service Nos: S/25764, R/35317, S/25764

1st QOCH #: S/25764

KRRC #: R/35317

#24

WILSON, William

Units: Cameron Highlanders, KRRC, Cameron Highlanders

All Service Nos: S/25770, 35314, S/25770

1st QOCH #: S/25770

KRRC # as per MIC: 35314

KRRC # (corrected): R/35314

List B - 5 Camerons ORs commissioned directly into KRRC

Officer #01

CAMPBELL, Angus R

Units: Cameron Highlanders, KRRC att 286th Coy MGC, Indian Army Reserve of Officers

All Service Nos: 1194, 200108

1st QOCH #: 1194

2nd QOCH #: 200108

KRRC #: Commissioned as 2Lt – 25 Sep 1917

Theatre: France - 19 Feb 1915

Officer #02

CLARKE, Stephen

Units: Cameron Highlanders, KRRC

All Service Nos: S/22848

1st QOCH #: S/22848

KRRC #: Commissioned as 2Lt – 26 Sep 1917

Theatre: None

Officer #03

CROSS, Samuel A

Units: 2nd Cameron Highlanders, KRRC

All Service Nos: S/17341

1st QOCH #: S/17341

KRRC #: Commissioned as 2Lt – 25 Sep 1917

Theatre: France - 25 May 1915

Officer #04

MAXWELL, James McLay

Units: Cameron Highlanders, KRRC

All Service Nos: S/10315

1st QOCH #: S/10315

KRRC #: Commissioned as 2Lt – 25 Sep 1917

Theatre: France - 10 May 1915

Officer #05

MIDDLECOTE, Edwin

Units: Cameron Highlanders, KRRC, Royal Air Force

All Service Nos: 3282, S/23929

1st QOCH #: 3282

2nd QOCH #: S/23929

KRRC #: Commissioned as 2Lt – 27 Mar 1917?

Theatre: France - 11 Sep 1915

[Rob Bulloch]

Hi Rob

Just wondering if you have the War Diaries of the 6th Camerons around the time 15 June to 10 July 1918. My great grandfather was wounded round about this time and was wondering what the Battalion was up to then.

All the best

Patrick

Patrick. The closest date of entry in the Diary of the 6th Bn is the 9th June 1918 they seemed to be in the "Rue de Trois Visages. Arras". South of the Scarpe River area. The narrative is as follows is as follows.

June 9th 1918.....At 2.00am Lieut S C Campbell 2 NCO's and 12 Other Ranks.Assisted by a standing patrol of 1 Officer 1 NCO and 6 Other Ranks, raided enemy post, old gun-pits, but! ran into our own barrage. 1 Officer wounded....6 other ranks wounded, 1 OR missing.Victory Camp....Relieved by 6th KOSB.

June 10th 1918....Personnel of the 7th Bn absorbed into 6th Bn.. Lieut-Col Anderson MC. Relinquished command of 6th Bn to Lieut-Col Norman MacLeod. DSO, from 7th Bn.

No entries till 17th June.

June 17th. 1918....Relieved 1st/5th Gordon's in front line, Left sector,Left Brigade.

June 18th 1918....Large party carrying T.M.(Trench Mortar) Bombs. Active patrolling.

June 19th 1918....Lieut M J H Wilson remained in No mans land with a with a severely wounded man, who finally died of wounds.

June 24th 1918....Relieved by the 13th Royal Scots: to railway cutting. Effie Trench Cam trench.

June 29th 1918....Relieved by 8th A & SH, in front line. Right sector.

July 4th 1918....Relieved by 9th Royal Scots: to Victory Camp. Training.

July 6th 1918....Canadian Division Highland sports at Tingues; 80 Officers and men present from Battalion.

July 12th.1918....Camp again shelled at 7.00 pm, two mules hit. Division relieved by 1st/4th Canadian Divisionsat 10.00 pm. Marched to a pretty camp at Chateau-de-la-Haie, arrived 3.00.am on the 13th . Men marched well in good weather.

Patrick I hope this is of some help to you in your research.

Aye Rob.

[Rob Bulloch]

Scott and Mark. I will get back to you on this. I have a couple of my books out on loan, But I will get back to you ASAP.

Aye Rob.

[MBrockway]

Scott and Mark. I will get back to you on this. I have a couple of my books out on loan, But I will get back to you ASAP.

Aye Rob.

No rush from my perspective Rob!

Cheers,

Mark

[Waddell]

Rob,

As with Mark, no rush. I appreciate your time.

Scott.

[Rob Bulloch]

Mark and Scott.

I could not find any mention of attachment of personnel from 1st and 2nd Bn's Cameron's to KRRC. There is not much information regarding 10th Bn Cameron's (Lovat Scouts Bn) in the books I have.... Read *NOTE at the end of this post.

In the Autum of 1916. as Infantry Units were required rather than mounted men, the 1st and 2nd Regiments of the Scottish Horse, then in Abbassiyeh, Cairo, were amalgamated to form a battalion, and became the 13th Bn Black Watch. At the same time the 1st and 2nd Regiments of the Lovats Scouts, then also in Egypt (After service in Gallipoli), together with one company of of 3rd Scottish Horse, were formed into a battalion called the 10th (Lovat Scouts) Bn of the Cameron Highlanders. In each case the men of these two regiments were transfered to the Black Watch and the Cameron's respectively, whilst the officers were only attached to there infantry formations.

The new units proceeded from Egypt to Macedonia, were the 10th Bn Cameron's was incorporated with the 27th Div of which our 2nd Bn Cameron's form a part. they remained there from late Autum 1916 till the Spring of 1918. In June it moved to France, and there took over duties from other personnel of Lovats Scouts employed in doing observation work for various Corps. So this would mean that there had been 10th Bn men attached to other regiments. And returned to the Cameron Highlanders.

Note** One of the Regimental Histories reads...It would have given us great pleasure to have included in these War Records of The Cameron Highlanders some account of the work of the Lovat Scouts during the period in which they figured in the Army Lists as our 10th Bn, but, as they furnished us with no particulars, we can only refer for some appreciation by there connection to the 27th Div.

Not much I am afraid but I hope it helps in some way.

Aye Rob.

[geejayboy]

Hi Rob,

Many thanks for the information.

It fills in a few more blanks in my research into my grandfathers war record

Thanks again

Gordon

[Waddell]

Hi Rob.

I appreciate you having a look for details of the Lovats transfers to the KRRC. I had a feeling it might be difficult to find some details about this. I have a book on the Lovat's by Melville but it doesn't go into enough detail to cover these sorts of questions.

I wonder if the Lovat's ever considered themselves as Camerons? I'll keep looking.

Regards,

Scott.

[PPCLI]

Mark, Scott and Rob,

I was at Kew yesterday and looked up some of the medal roll entries for the men in List A above. It appears that a group of men in the range S/25585 to S/25802 were transferred from the 2nd Camerons to the 10th (LS) Camerons via various battalions within the 27th Division and the 29th Brigade of the 10th (Irish) Division: 1st and 6th Leinster Regt, 5th Connaught Rangers, 6th Royal Irish Rifles, 10th Hampshire Regt, 2nd Royal Irish Fusiliers, 1st A&SH, 2nd Gloucesters, 1st Royal Scots, 4th Rifle Bde, 3rd and 4th KRRC, 2nd KSLI, 26th Middlesex.

Two examples are given below (one retaining his original number, the other re-numbered with 6-digit TF):

I copied a few example pages from the medal rolls. Unfortunately for Scott, I only had a note of the number range to look up and did not have the name of your great uncle, so do not have a copy of his entry (the computer system at Kew blocks use of the GWF, so I could not log on to check the name). Therefore, I don't know if he went to the 3rd or 4th KRRC - sorry.

Cheers,

Stuart

[Waddell]

Thanks Stuart. I think Mark and Rob will be quite interested in that find as well.

So looking at that it appears my Great Uncle served in 2nd Cameron Highlanders in Salonika, transferred most likely through 4th (or 3rd) KRRC before being transfrerred back into the Lovat's with 10th Camerons. Seems like a bureaucratic path.

If I ever get to the Kew medal rolls I'll try to confirm the KRRC battalion.

Thanks for looking into it.

Scott.

[Patrick Watt]

Thank you so much for this Rob

It has however, opened up more questions (as always!!). I got my great grandfathers hospital admission papers from St Mary's Hospital in Sidcup, London which said he was wounded on 4 July 1918. However he himself always said he was wounded at Soissons. As far as I know the 6th Cameron Highlanders did not go to the Soissons sector until the middle of July. It got me to thinking that maybe the date of his wounding was actually 4 August 1918.

Therefore, if it is not too much trouble, would it be possible foryou to send my details from the War Diary up to the 15th August 1918? Don't worry if it is too much trouble!!

I really appreciate the help you've already given me and if there is anything I can do for you please just ask.

Kind Regards

Patrick

[Rob Bulloch]

Stuart. Well done with the Medal entry rolls. At least we know where the transfer was done if not the date, I will have another look at the 2nd Bn Cameron's. Thanks for your input.

Aye Rob

[tinow881]

hi rob,

my grandfather recently died, and my father found a pocket watch engraved:

presented to C.Q.M.S., T Courtnay by members of SGts Mess 2nd Cameron Highlanders Nov 1926

my father remembers finding this in the street as a young boy but we've been unable to find out any information about them, would be greatful if you could help, would love to return the watch to the family, even though its a bit meshed, its a part of their history!!!

christina

[Rob Bulloch]

hi rob,

my grandfather recently died, and my father found a pocket watch engraved:

presented to C.Q.M.S., T Courtnay by members of SGts Mess 2nd Cameron Highlanders Nov 1926

my father remembers finding this in the street as a young boy but we've been unable to find out any information about them, would be greatful if you could help, would love to return the watch to the family, even though its a bit meshed, its a part of their history!!!

christina

Christina.

Your best bet is to post your CQMS Courtnay on the SOLDIERS category on the forum asking if someone could look up his MIC But he may not have seen service in the Great War. Where was the watch found? It may have some bearing on where the man was from.

You could try and get in touch with Fort George Inverness and try and get some information on CQMS Courtnay.

Good Luck with your research. Aye Rob.

[Rob Bulloch]

Thank you so much for this Rob

It has however, opened up more questions (as always!!). I got my great grandfathers hospital admission papers from St Mary's Hospital in Sidcup, London which said he was wounded on 4 July 1918. However he himself always said he was wounded at Soissons. As far as I know the 6th Cameron Highlanders did not go to the Soissons sector until the middle of July. It got me to thinking that maybe the date of his wounding was actually 4 August 1918.

Therefore, if it is not too much trouble, would it be possible foryou to send my details from the War Diary up to the 15th August 1918? Don't worry if it is too much trouble!!

I really appreciate the help you've already given me and if there is anything I can do for you please just ask.

Kind Regards

Patrick

Patrick I do not see any connection with the 4th Aug 1918. Although Aug 1st was a heavy one, with 30 other Ranks wounded (*Note.. See Post #126) The diary from July 16th 1918 is as follows.

July 16th 1918....Marched by road to Aubigny, entrained 9.00.pm. Very warm; March discipline good.

July 17th 1918.... Detrained at Clermont; trying march to Rosoy. First Scottish troops seen by inhabitants: well received, good billets.

July 19th 1918....On one hour notice. Embussed at 9.00.am to Haute Fontaine. March to wooded valley, and bivouacked in a field near Banru.

July 21st 1918....Marched at 8.15.pm via Coeuvres to the forest south of St Pierre Aigle. Bombed by low flying aircraft while marching through St Pierre. Bivouacked for the night..

July 22nd 1918.... Berczy, Brigade relieved 1st Brigade , Ynited States Army in front line, Missy-au-Bois.

July 23rd 1918.... Took part in a general attack by 10th French Army.."A" Company, reached Noyant, but had to retire owing to flanks not having advanced. Front line advanced 300 yards. 6 Officers, 18 Other Ranks Killed. 78 Wounded. 22 Missing.

* Note.. A very expensive 300 yards *

July 25th 1918....Relieved by 1st/8th A & SH: to Missy-au-Bois. Heavily shelled with gas during relief and after wards.

July 26th 1918....9 Offiers and 180 Other Ranks gassed. Major Cram takes command: Lieut-Col MacLeod to hospital gassed. Moved to Chaudin at night.

July 27th....Resting and cleaning.

July 28th. 1918....Buzancy. Division attacked and and gained their objectives, "A" and "C' Companies 6th Cameron's in support of 1st/8th A & SH. But owing to failure on flanks, the line withdrew to to morning positions. 1 Officer gassed: 1 Other Rank Killed, 4 Other Ranks wounded, 10 gassed.

July 29th 1918....Villemontoire "A" and "C" Companies attached 1st/8th A & SH till midnight, Battalion relieved 2nd Battalion, 138th Regiment of the French Line, and part of 7/8th KOSB.

July 30th/31st 1918.... Enemy shelled us heavily..

Patrick for 1st August onward see Post # 126.

I hope this is of some help, Good luck with your research.

Aye Rob.

[Piorun]

hi rob,

my grandfather recently died, and my father found a pocket watch engraved:

presented to C.Q.M.S., T Courtnay by members of SGts Mess 2nd Cameron Highlanders Nov 1926

my father remembers finding this in the street as a young boy but we've been unable to find out any information about them, would be greatful if you could help, would love to return the watch to the family, even though its a bit meshed, its a part of their history!!!

christina

Can't find an MIC for T Courtnay Camerons. Sorry.

[mo44th]

Hello to the Forum.

Are there any members out there with an interest in the QOCH I would be very happy to share Information with members with same interest.

Best Regards to the Forum Rob.

Hi Rob, Can you help I wonder? I have a list of soldiers which I received from The Regimental Museum Fort George, listing among others my grandfather Colour Serg. George Petrie 3615, 2923430, 62418. He served in Sudan, S.Africa And WW1 (don't know here, but would love to know) Medals at Fort George.

Also listed is a Daniel ROSS 7443, 2931087 C Q M S 2nd Battalion, who enlisted 7th March 1906, pensioned out 4th April 1928 On this list it says that he was a 'noted footballer'. Do you know anything about his football career at all? Any information would be useful.

Regards, Alison

[MBrockway]

Mark, Scott and Rob,

I was at Kew yesterday and looked up some of the medal roll entries for the men in List A above. It appears that a group of men in the range S/25585 to S/25802 were transferred from the 2nd Camerons to the 10th (LS) Camerons via various battalions within the 27th Division and the 29th Brigade of the 10th (Irish) Division: 1st and 6th Leinster Regt, 5th Connaught Rangers, 6th Royal Irish Rifles, 10th Hampshire Regt, 2nd Royal Irish Fusiliers, 1st A&SH, 2nd Gloucesters, 1st Royal Scots, 4th Rifle Bde, 3rd and 4th KRRC, 2nd KSLI, 26th Middlesex.

Two examples are given below (one retaining his original number, the other re-numbered with 6-digit TF):

I copied a few example pages from the medal rolls. Unfortunately for Scott, I only had a note of the number range to look up and did not have the name of your great uncle, so do not have a copy of his entry (the computer system at Kew blocks use of the GWF, so I could not log on to check the name). Therefore, I don't know if he went to the 3rd or 4th KRRC - sorry.

Cheers,

Stuart

The Gallovidian comes up with the goods! Stuart - that's fantastic data.

It confirms our suspicions that this was all happening in Macedonia, which also gives us a focus for further digging.

As I said higher up, there's another larger block of KRRC Service Numbers nearby who appear to be a transfer in from the Royal Scots, who were also in Macedonia with 27th Division.

It's also useful for clarifying the way the KRRC/RB numbering schema was used in reality.

WRT the last point, I'd be very grateful if I could have copies of the other medal roll images if at all possible - I'll PM you my e-mail address.

Many thanks for the assistance.

Cheers,

Mark

[Rob Bulloch]

Alison.

From Honours and Awards. The following honours and awards were conferred on Officers Warrant Officer. NCO's and Other ranks of the 2nd Cameron Highlanders in connection with the operations subsequent to 30th June 1918. Sgt Daniel Ross is listed here.

Aye Rob.

[mo44th]

Alison.

From Honours and Awards. The following honours and awards were conferred on Officers Warrant Officer. NCO's and Other ranks of the 2nd Cameron Highlanders in connection with the operations subsequent to 30th June 1918. Sgt Daniel Ross is listed here.

Aye Rob.

[Guest]

Hello Rob et al,

As Rob knows I recently purchased a war medal to a relative S/15971 Pte. John Munro 6th Cameron Highlanders. KIA 27-6-16. This is a new area for me so I would be grateful for any help in getting started. Can anyone help with info on where he is likely to have been killed and SDGW lookup? Where would i get copies of service records etc? I have downloaded his MIC.

Thanks in advance

Regards Ian

Have just come upon this excellent thread, and found Ian has the medals of one of the men am researching. He is the only Cameron Highlander on the Memorial.

From Strathearn Herald

" The sad intimation has been received by Mr & Mrs Munro of Wellbank Aberfeldy that their son, Pte John Munro, Cameron Highlanders was killed on the 27th of last month.One of Pte Munro's officers, in intimating the death to Mr & Mrs Munro says; I much regret to inform you that your son was killed by a shell on the 27th June. Death was instantaneous. We all send you our sincere sympathy. Pte Munro was well liked by all the officers and men. He had only just come to my Battery and this was his first day in the trenches with the trench mortars ( 45th Light TMB ) . Pte Munro was 24 yrs old and a native of Aberfeldy. He served his apprenticeship as a Grocer with the old firm of D F Gow&co the Square Aberfeldy. Previous to enlistment in November 1914, was in the employ of a Glasgow firm."

John Munro's service record survives. I would appreciate any further information anyone might have on this man.

Cheers Mike

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Hello Rob,

Thanks for the list mentioning Daniel Ross. It just shows how much info there is out there. Can I be a perfect pest and ask if you can find my Grandad Colour Serg. George Petrie in these lists? Service Numbers for him were 3615 Camerons when he joined 24th July, 1894, He appears to have transferred to the Northumberland Fusiliers 2923430, for a short time during the Great War, (1916-17 I think) then back to the Camerons 62418,, Medals listed are, Queens, Khedive's (clasps Atbara, Khartoum) Queen's (Clasps Cape Colony, Johannesburg, Diamond Hill, Wittenburg) King's (Clasps SA 1901, SA 1902) BWM, VM.,L.S & G.C. & M.S.M. These medals are all in the Cameron Museum at Fort George, Inverness. What would the MSM been awarded for? And how do I find out where he served in France? He appears to have transferred from the Camerons to the Fusiliers while in France then back again. Would it have been because of the horrific casualties, so anyone re-enlisting was sent to fill the gaps?

You don't imagine that your little old Grandad smoking his pipe actually got up to all these things when he was a young man, do you? He was 89 years old when he died in 1965.

Regards, Alison