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Rosetta


bdmurphy

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Good day all.

I have a diary entry from my Grandfather as follows:

Thursday 15th April 1915: Detrained at Southampton and embarked horses and guns, about 1000 troops and 800 horses on board the Rosetta. A fine night and a pleasant voyage, three destroyers escorted us when we left at 7pm.

I have a merchant navy background and thought this would be the most simple part of my investigation. However I find that the most probable vessel, built in 1880 for P&O changed hands and became Rosetta Maru in 1900.

My plea to forum members now is thus: Has anyone any info on troop ship movements, 3rd West Riding movements or even any leads on the three destroyers that are reported as escorting at that time?

Any help appreciated

Dave

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Dave

Do you have a Lloyd's List archive in your local Library ? If you do you might find the ship's details in the 1914 or 1915 issue.

If you don't, let me know, and I will add it to my tasks when I go to the Southampton Library next.

Best wishes

Sotonmate

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Sotonmate,

Many thanks for your reply, you have been a great help to me in the past. Since my first tentative steps I have realised what a project I have set myself. Now concentrating on very small scopes at a time.

I probably have access to LLoyds data through my work but have not used it as a resource yet.

I would not expect you to go out of your way but would be very grateful to you if you tripped over anything that would help.

I have pictures of the P&O vessel but am not sure if grandfather is accurate in his diary just following leads.

Best regards

Dave

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Dave

I am at the Library now ! Just logged on to make sure that I had written the name of the ship correctly.

If all else fails you could get confirmation from the Battalion or Division War Diary which normally shows the transport involved in shipping overseas.

Best wishes

Sotonmate

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Dave

The Lloyd's Lists for 1914-15 and 1915-16 have only one ROSETTA. That was a Steam Trawler of 236 tons,British-flagged and operating out of Fleetwood,built 1907 by J Duthie of Aberdeen. Not the stuff of Divisional transport to France !

The other nearest name I could find was the ROSSETTI 6508 tons built 1900 by Henderson of Glasgow and owned by the Liverpool, Brazil and River Plate Steam Navigation Company. Home port Liverpool with a British flag.This one you could probably check on in the BT27 or BT28 series at Kew as I would imagine that it carried passengers to South America and back.

You might need to confirm the name via the War Diaries, as advised this morning.

I also checked the WW1 casualty lists and there was no vessel of the name, or near the name, listed.

Best wishes

Sotonmate

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Sotonmate

Many thanks for your kind assistance I wonder if you have solved my problem.

It certainly has me on a new track, Rossetti survived the war and was broken up in Danzig December 1929.

Thank you so much I owe you one.

Dave

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Dave

BT26 at Kew shows inward passenger lists for ROSSETTI for 1918 and 1919,but none before that. BT27 is the corresponding outward passenger lists and there are none of those on file. The only 1918 file in BT26 shows a sailing into London,the 1919 ones show into Liverpool,which is where I expected them to operate from and to.

It is not such a quantum leap to expect it to be used prior to this on Military duties,but I know not where that can be found. As I have said,it is worthwhile trying to check the vessel's name in the unit's War Diary.

Best wishes

Sotonmate

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