Casualty Lists

[brianmorris547]

Thank you Charlie962,

I have been trying to find help Alison find her man. Also thanks for posting HA 12806, I will add the names to my RE index. I will pm Alison.

Brian

[Alisonmallen62]

Help is very much appreciated thank you!

[charlie962]

Just to get you started Alison, and to see what Brian thinks, here is the result of some 30 names I've looked at. For about 50% there is some sort of record that lets us identify unit in 1917; I suspect trying say the 14/15 Roll might be a bit far back because many of these men changed units in 2 years.

Brian, do you see any pattern, I don't? but then I haven't looked to see which FieldCompany was in which Division to see if there was some grouping at a higher level. Charlie.  PS Another FMP snippet for 57 Field Co RE. (the original on FMP is clearer)

 

Alison, did he have a particular trade or skill that might indicate posting to a more specialised unit ? engine driver, miner etc?

 

 

Edited 9 April , 2017 by charlie962

[brianmorris547]

Charlie

When I checked the names on the same Times OCL RE wounded list as my gf, 11/10/1916, it did give me some clues and showed some patterns. Some of the names were 20 Div RE and were wounded on 03/09/1916 at Guillemont. By coincidence one of the names on the 11/10/1916 list was 16050 Donald Spr J C, who is shown on the list you have just posted from 57 FC in 1917. When I did a FMP check on him I got the same document. I have put the names on to my RE index but did not post it because it was too faint. The exercise is worth doing. I notice from your spreadsheet you have a 30 Div County Palatine RE name, 81515 William Henry Pee. He died of wounds on 03/05/1918. Are they some of the names from the 06/09/1917 list ? 

In the meantime, List HA 7223 from March 1917

[charlie962]

3 hours ago, brianmorris547 said:

Are they some of the names from the 06/09/1917 list ? 

They are all from that one list, which has about 200 names for RE that day.

[brianmorris547]

Charlie

The more the merrier! I have pm'd Alison and offered to do the FMP checks for her. Any lists that turn up I can index the RE names. My gf went to France sometime after 31/12/1915, was wounded in early September 1916 and discharged in August 1917. 

Brian

[charlie962]

Good man- generous offer. Very time consuming but fascinating reading some of the service records. No two the same. Charlie

[brianmorris547]

Charlie

I agree, as a forum member once observed, "This is Real History". I will pm you.

Brian

 

Edited 11 April , 2017 by brianmorris547
typo

[brianmorris547]

428357 Cpl W E Chadwick appears on the 06/09/1917 list. He is named on this (very faint) list HB 7558, August 1917.

The Details are as follows:

Perth Regular and TF

5010 L/C Sutherland G -  9 Sea Highrs -  Adm Northumberland War Hosp Gosforth 17/08/1917

40831 Pte Smith J - 9 R Highrs                         "

202656 Pte Stewart, J - 4/5 R Highrs                "

278901 Pte Carroll, T - 1/7 A & S Highrs           "

4723Pte Orr, W - 8/10 Gord Highrs                   "

15075 Pte McCay, T - 10 Gord Highrs              "

177 ? Pte Low, J - 3 R Highrs                           "

Hamilton  ? and TF

32344 Pte McDonald - 5 (?) R Scots Fus         "

Army Service Corps

M2/149659 Pte Ward, S A - ? -                        "

029641 Dvr Sullivan, H - ?                               "

Poss 182434 Pte Rosier H - ? -                       "

300087 Pte Whitehead, L                                "

163140 Pte Bushell, A                               Adm Eggington Hall Hos, Nr Derby 16/08/1917

Royal Engineers

140101 Spr Davies, H - RE L Sig Co         Adm Northumberland War Hos Gosforth 17/08/1917

23953 Sjt Brazier, J - 91 FC                           "

256908 Spr Frewin, A H - ROD                      "

129048 Pte Cave, T - M Spec Co RE             "

428357 Cpl Chadwick, W E - RE - GSW - Adm Eggington Hall, Derby 16/08/1917

174161 Dvr Cartland, G - RE -                       "

274513 Pnr Sawyer, F - Road Cons C -    Adm Englethwaite Aux Mil H, Carlisle 16/08/1917

 

Edited 20 April , 2017 by brianmorris547
additional info

[brianmorris547]

Alison / Charlie

OCL 06/09/1917

I have checked all the service numbers on FMP and names against service/pension records. A high percentage of those wounded were, not surprisingly, 31/07/1917. Alison thinks that her ancestor 121996 Spr Thomas Lloyd was a Tunneller. Five of the names on the list were from 254 TC, Two from 173 TC and one each from 171 TC, 175 TC and 255 TC. Three other Tunneller's Units were not readable.

The resuls for the Field Companies were as follows:

8 Div / 490 FC                                Seven  (o/rs not named in the WD)

 "         Sigs Co                               One (Two more on the OCL named in 8 Sigs WD)

15 Div / Sigs Co                             Three (Three more on OCL named, but no numbers, in 15 Sigs WD)

19 Div / 81 FC                                Two (both named in WD along with one other on OCL)

29 Div / 455 FC                              One

30 Div / 202 FC                              Four (One more on the OCL with a 30 Div RE number 83300 Sgt Williams)

39 Div / 225 FC                              One

 "           227 FC                              Two

41 Div / 233 FC                              Five (All named in WD with four others on OCL). The WD names 17 other o/r casualties for July and August.

49 Div / 57 FC                                Three

55 Div / 423 FC                              Five

63 Div / 248 FC                              One

 "           Sigs Co                             One

66 Div / 432 FC                              Two

Plus eleven from various Sigs HQ Units and one from a Tramway Unit.

I am aware that there were twenty five Tunnellers Units 170 to 185 inc and 250 to 258 inc. The WDs have been digitised but I could not find 254 (WO 95/488/8 and 488/9) on Ancestry. Does anyone know if they are on Ancestry?

Thank you

Edited 19 April , 2017 by brianmorris547
typo

[charlie962]

Brian,

I think 254 was 4th Army Troops so will not be on Ancestry. See this useful thread for explanation.

Charlie

[brianmorris547]

Charlie

Thanks for the link. I was aware of that method of searching Ancestry by just putting the WO 95 ref (less the WO 95) into the keywords box but got no luck. The thread explains why. I've not been to Kew for a while, it's a 500 mile round trip which I do on a Saturday leaving home at 0500 to get there at 0900. Always worth it though. I've never looked at the Tunnellers WDs having always assumed that my gf was in a FC, so I will make the effort. 

Cheers

Brian

[brianmorris547]

List H A 9987 dated May 1917. 

[Alisonmallen62]

You are amazing. I had a bit of a car accident so apologies for not responding sooner. All ok though. I  have found some of the same info above on ancestry but as far as Lloyd goes I have no clue as to what he did as a soldier.  All my grandfather told me was that he had been a very brave soldier.  He didn't get on with him but as a soldier himself he was sure Lloyd had shell shock. He was a miner on joining up in 1916 in his forties.  I just thought it likely he was a tunneller.  It is also possible he was part of mines rescue in those days before war. Just going away from Lloyd I notice Eggington hospital mentioned above. I work in Etwall and that hospital is now a care home. It is down a windy country lane which is a dead end. Quite a peaceful place to recover.  I am aware of there being photos on th e walls of the original building of patients and nurses.  As a school we researched each soldier on the local memorial and, as expected, the village still has families of those lost still living around the area. Think it worth going up to the care home and getting some pics if anyone is interested?

 

[brianmorris547]

Apart from looking for my grandfather, by posting these I am trying to create a RE index for 1916 and 1917. Full marks to FMP for indexing these but they need to be in a kind of library. I am only indexing the RE names and I hope that the other Corps shown e.g. RGA and RAMC are of interest to other Forum members. The lists that I have posted so far have resulted from a FMP search of the service numbers of the RE wounded in the Times OCL July to December 1916 inc. I have finished copying the names of the RE wounded from the Times OCL January to June 1916 inc and will start to check these numbers in the near future. In the meantime a faint list H  A 5897 January 1917. My first attempt to post without reducing in size.

[brianmorris547]

List HB 6650, June 1917

 

Edited 23 April , 2017 by brianmorris547

[brianmorris547]

List H A 10988, France, June 1917.

[brianmorris547]

List H 7394 dated March 1916, from the Med.

[brianmorris547]

The WD of 57 FC RE (49 Div) for 21/07/1917 records that the enemy bombarded Nieuport with gas shells on the night 21st-22nd causing casualties to 3 Officers and 55 other ranks. New form of gas used. The WD for the CRE puts the figure at 3 plus approx 62 and also has a map of the area.  

46 of them are named on this list dated 18/08/1917.

[brianmorris547]

Some of the men on the above 57 FC list can also be seen in post 753 by Charlie.

Diane

I have put the above names on to my RE index but the details are:

C1

165128 (poss) John Smith, 141889 William J Spalton, 159636 Reginald P Sandell, 171007 Travice Tinson, 178149 Alfred J Tonkin, 92962 Edwin Yole, 23784 Alfred E Potter, 90177 William A Sizmur and 24081 Harold Vinton.

C2

154374 Benjamin Jackson, 33651 (poss) Percy H Ladd, 108659 Herbert Lakeland, 158848 Stephen Molyneux, 159226 William J McCoy, 34668 John C Mitchell, 83756 Alfred Pashley, 33022 Arthur S Read and 169889 Joseph Richardson

C3

28623 Ernest A Gatton, 158791 Frank Goody, 24102 Henry Hammett, 180136 Christopher A Hills, 10880 Alfred Hewett, 59336 Frank Higgs, 164301 Ralph Harte, 203066 John A Hancock and 145631 Arthur G Ingham.

C4

159920 Charles H Boon, 15120 Reginald B Bradbury, 145306 Robert Cartland, 83154 Robert Cookson, 164307 John Craig, 35055 Alfred E Charles, 26731 George E M Dennis, 20683 Leonard I Escott and 154792 George A V Farman.

C5

19206 John Giles, 20921 Ernest Fear, 20898 William Atkinson, 24587 William F Woodruff, 24094 Charles F W Neary, 22743 George A Henderson, 20664 John W Putman, 24124 Albert Turney, 24629 Bertie Wright and 23075 Edward Bird.

Edited 30 April , 2017 by brianmorris547

[brianmorris547]

List H A 5990 dated January 1917. 

The RE Details are:

175886 Thomas Hawley, 184 TC.

40986 John Roberts, 69 FC.

91748 Albert E Lloyd, 215 ATC.

201431 Thomas Evans, 278 Rly Troop Dep.

(poss) 148467 Alfred Sharp, 178 TC.

52514 George J Grizzell, 360 Co.

193387 Ernest W Hart, Spl Wks Park.

1961 Herbert Young, 1/3 Kent FC.

179462 William Tilston, 51 Artisan Wks Co.

210363 Jabez Osborne, Rail Dv.

29175 George E Gibbs, Postal Sec.

161994 Fred Minett, 30 Rail Co.

20111 Ernest McCormick, 32 Coy.

[brianmorris547]

 

List H 7391 dated March 1916 from the Med.

 

Edited 6 May , 2017 by brianmorris547

[brianmorris547]

H 6810 dated February/March 1916 from the Med.

Edited 10 May , 2017 by brianmorris547
typo

[brianmorris547]

Another list from the Med. H 7395 dated March 1916.

[brianmorris547]

List H 7440 dated March 1916 from the Med.