robmoff Posted 8 January , 2008 Share Posted 8 January , 2008 I am trying to find a bit more about the service history of David John Passe born Swansea 1887. On his son's marriage certificate in 1938 he is described as 'Army Pensioner'. He does not appear on the Ancestry 'Pension' records, nor can I locate a Medal Index Card for him. The service records on Ancestry are not up to P yet, and are incomplete anyway. The lack of a "Pensions" record is not particularly surprising. But the MIC is. I understood that these records are almost complete, and if he served 1914-1918 then he SHOULD be there. It is possible he never served in a theatre of war and did not qualify for any medal, but it is unlikely. And if he was sufficiently affected as to recieve a pension he should have had a SWB at the very least! It is, I suppose, a possibility that he served at home 1914-1918 and was injured in an accident post 1920, which would mean no medals, no pension record, and service records only from Glasgow. Anyone any more thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian turner Posted 9 January , 2008 Share Posted 9 January , 2008 Rob How about Pass? There is a plain David Pass, Manchester Regt on the NA MICs. Then there is also a plain David Pass on the Ancestry pension records. Maybe worth following up - spelling irregularities abound! Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmoff Posted 9 January , 2008 Author Share Posted 9 January , 2008 Thanks Ian, Those two records are for the same David Pass, from Hyde in Cheshire. Unfortunately not my man :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmoff Posted 10 January , 2008 Author Share Posted 10 January , 2008 Is 'nudging' acceptable on this forum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huytonhoofer Posted 10 January , 2008 Share Posted 10 January , 2008 Rob the 1891 Census for Wales lists a David John PASS aged 3 years as "Nephew" in the household of George Williams at 106 Neath Road. There are no entries on census records for 1891 or 1901 in England or Wales for a David John PASSE. In fact the 1901 Census shows no David John PASS either. Mysterious. Do you know with certainty that he went by his given name of David or did he use John? If it's John then it may open up other search lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Light Posted 10 January , 2008 Share Posted 10 January , 2008 WO364, although a motley assortment of things, refers in the main to disability pensions. But the term 'Army Pensioner' on a certificate is just as likely to indicate a regular soldier who has been discharged to pension at the end of his required period of service, without any injury of illness. In view of his age, could he have been a pre-war regular who was retained in the UK during the war (a training post perhaps) and whose service extends into the post-war period? Are there any references to an occupation on the birth certificates of his children which might give some clues? Sue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
per ardua per mare per terram Posted 10 January , 2008 Share Posted 10 January , 2008 I am trying to find a bit more about the service history of David John Passe born Swansea 1887. On his son's marriage certificate in 1938 he is described as 'Army Pensioner'. He does not appear on the Ancestry 'Pension' records, nor can I locate a Medal Index Card for him. He would have been 18 in 1905, when he could have started adult service in the army and 30 in 1917 (with 12 years service in if he joined at 18). The standard service for a pension in the army was 21 years, as far as I know, which takes him to 1926 and that is after the cut off date for release of papers. The online records are notorious for data entry errors in their indexing. How is he described on the son's birth certificate? He should have been serving at that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
per ardua per mare per terram Posted 10 January , 2008 Share Posted 10 January , 2008 Have you tried the Absent Voters list for 1918? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmoff Posted 10 January , 2008 Author Share Posted 10 January , 2008 He was a collier when married (1910), and a Collier Hauler Underground when his son was born (1912), and no-one has yet come up with a 1901 census for the man! Roll on 1911 census. I've checked for PASSE without a first name with no joy too. Starting to get to me a bit. Thanks anyway folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmoff Posted 10 January , 2008 Author Share Posted 10 January , 2008 Absent Voters list is a good idea, but means a trip to darkest Swanse,a as far as I can see it's not online. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smilingsixth Posted 14 March , 2008 Share Posted 14 March , 2008 Absent Voters list is a good idea, but means a trip to darkest Swanse,a as far as I can see it's not online. Greetings from darkest Swansea Have had a look at my records for the 6th Welsh (TF) and the only Pass I can find is :- PASS,Albert James, 1380, Sgt, “D” coy (Swansea), he was a Sgt when the battlion went to France 29th Oct 1914, so he must have been a pre war volunteer, maybe service before 1908 when the battalion was formed. He was a very long serving soldier who retired in 1935 as a CQMS. I have not been able to get any more details on him but have a very good picture of him wearing his 1914 trio of medals at the unveiling of the 1st Div Memorial on 16th April 1927. Simon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmoff Posted 15 March , 2008 Author Share Posted 15 March , 2008 Thanks for that Simon, I'm not sure where this man would fit in, perhaps a brother or cousin. I'll pass on the details you have given. Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carolann Posted 15 March , 2008 Share Posted 15 March , 2008 Hi Rob I have had a look from a family research point of view, so far I have found that David John Passes' father was called Stephen John Pass born March 1862 Glamorgan. He is in the 1871 census aged 9 with his mother Elizabeth and siblings, also in the 1881 census as John Pass aged 19 (confectioner) still with his mother Elizabeth and other siblings. He is married in Swansea, Glamorgan in the 3rd quarter of the year 1886 to a Hannah Davies Ref No - Vol 11a Page 882 and dies in December 1890 aged 28 still Swansea, Glamorgan. This will account for David, Stephens son staying with an Auntie and Uncle in the 1891 census, as his mother would have probably had to work and would not have been able to take him with her. Hannah Passe, Pass, Passey, Passay ms Davies could have married again and in doing so David's last name could have changed until he was old enough to take on his fathers name again. Or he could have taken on the extended families surname name, for instance Williams which his Uncles surname was in the 1891 census. I will continue to check and see what I can come up with. I know this might not help with the service record and the Medal Card but it might find him in the 1901 census. Hope this makes sense. Kind regards Carol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmoff Posted 15 March , 2008 Author Share Posted 15 March , 2008 Many thanks Carol, you have found a lot of stuff I missed. Now for the BUT I picked this query up from Genes Reunited, I answer as many as I can there, and come here for more info when I don't know the answers myself. I've learnt quite a bit over the weeks, and saved the rest of you lot, who really know what they are on about, from answering the same old questions over again. This time when I went back to GR to pass on the new info....... The person who asked is nowhere to be found! She may have simply changed her board name there, but all the contacts I had with her have been deleted, it looks like she has moved on. (Am I allowed to say Bu**er here)? :~{ Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janwbay Posted 15 March , 2008 Share Posted 15 March , 2008 Is there any chance that it could be this person? I know that it may be way out as to regiment, and I am not sure, but I think the A.S.C. stands for Army Service Corps. regards JANICE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carolann Posted 15 March , 2008 Share Posted 15 March , 2008 Many thanks Carol, you have found a lot of stuff I missed. Now for the BUT I picked this query up from Genes Reunited, I answer as many as I can there, and come here for more info when I don't know the answers myself. I've learnt quite a bit over the weeks, and saved the rest of you lot, who really know what they are on about, from answering the same old questions over again. This time when I went back to GR to pass on the new info....... The person who asked is nowhere to be found! She may have simply changed her board name there, but all the contacts I had with her have been deleted, it looks like she has moved on. (Am I allowed to say Bu**er here)? :~{ Rob Hi Rob is you are allowed to say Bu**er I don't mind, it really bugs me when you try and help someone and they Bu**er Off. I am also a member of Genes Reunited can I ask have you checked the yellow box on the left hand side which has the title "My Threads" click on that they should still be there. It is a bit strange to ask a question or look for information and then delete the thread. Anyway I won't bother going any further with this investigation if you don't have anybody to pass it on to. Kind regards Carol Do you know where the person was from who asked the question, just that I found information with regard to David John Passe on another site. Do you think they were from Australia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmoff Posted 16 March , 2008 Author Share Posted 16 March , 2008 I checkedthe 'my threads' no go. I also rebemer talking to her via pm, but it has all vanished. As much of a mystery as the bloke himself.:-# Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyhound Posted 16 March , 2008 Share Posted 16 March , 2008 Maybe her membership has run out. I noticed that two trees to which I'd been given access had vanished from my list and I queried this with GR, since I happened to know that both people concerned hadn't renewed their membership. GR assured me that this wouldn't affect my access to their trees, but it must have done. I had email addresses for both, and neither of them had withdrawn tree permissions. After I complained to GR, the access was mysteriously restored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devonmaid Posted 16 March , 2008 Share Posted 16 March , 2008 I know it's not what you are really looking for but there is a pedigree for David John Passe going back to 1717 on the family search website. Ellie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janwbay Posted 16 March , 2008 Share Posted 16 March , 2008 Dear Ellie Can you tell me where do you find the family search website? Thanks Janice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carolann Posted 16 March , 2008 Share Posted 16 March , 2008 Dear Ellie Can you tell me where do you find the family search website? Thanks Janice Hi Janice The website you are looking for is www.familysearch.org Kind regards Carol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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