Rouen Military Prison

[Tunneller]

I am trying to research my Grandfather , Sapper 197760 Thomas Young MM 179 Tunnelling Coy RE.

I have a copy of the 179 Coy War diary, and there is an entry in August 1917 stating that my Grandfather and 2 other Sappers were taken by the APM to HMP Rouen. I can find no records regarding any Court Martial or prison details.

Can anyone give me any information about the prison or likely whereabouts of local disciplinary panels that may have dealt with him.

My mother and her family, or now in their 80`s have no idea what he was sentenced for , so i am trying to deal with this family mystery.

Thanks

Jim

[birchp]

I am trying to research my Grandfather , Sapper 197760 Thomas Young MM 179 Tunnelling Coy RE.

I have a copy of the 179 Coy War diary, and there is an entry in August 1917 stating that my Grandfather and 2 other Sappers were taken by the APM to HMP Rouen. I can find no records regarding any Court Martial or prison details.

Can anyone give me any information about the prison or likely whereabouts of local disciplinary panels that may have dealt with him.

My mother and her family, or now in their 80`s have no idea what he was sentenced for , so i am trying to deal with this family mystery.

Thanks

Jim

Jim

for starters - The first two Military Prisons in France were opened on ships moored in the harbours of Le Havre (500 Prisoners) and Rouen (700 Prisoners). By 25th January 1915 they were full. The prisoners worked 12 hour shifts unloading ships, supervised by MPSC personnel armed with revolvers

Paul

[sotonmate]

Jim

There was also a prison on land near Rouen:

No 1 Military Prison,

Abancourt,Blairgies North Camp,ROUEN.

There is a bit about it in the website of the Western Front Association.

Best wishes

Sotonmate

[Tunneller]

Thanks for your replies on this one. I now have a starting point.

Seasons greetings to all

Jim

[goz]

Have you tried downloading his records from ancestry.co.uk ?? On my g-grandads records it says the following :

C.C.123bde c.crimes trial from 7-12-15. Tried by f.g.c.m. 14-12-15. sentenced to 3 months F.P. No1 for overstaying leave from 7-12-15 to 10-12-15.

Remission sentence remitted by army commander (unable to read next bit ) then 37th division Dcv /319/21-12-15.

I didnt know this until I downloaded the records from the above site. Hope this helps....goz.

[Mick M]

On 24/12/2007 at 11:03, goz said:

Have you tried downloading his records from ancestry.co.uk ?? On my g-grandads records it says the following :

C.C.123bde c.crimes trial from 7-12-15. Tried by f.g.c.m. 14-12-15. sentenced to 3 months F.P. No1 for overstaying leave from 7-12-15 to 10-12-15.

Remission sentence remitted by army commander (unable to read next bit ) then 37th division Dcv /319/21-12-15.

I didnt know this until I downloaded the records from the above site. Hope this helps....goz.

On 23/12/2007 at 19:10, birchp said:

Jim

for starters - The first two Military Prisons in France were opened on ships moored in the harbours of Le Havre (500 Prisoners) and Rouen (700 Prisoners). By 25th January 1915 they were full. The prisoners worked 12 hour shifts unloading ships, supervised by MPSC personnel armed with revolvers

Paul

 

[Mick M]

Quite coincidentally I am researching 2 soldiers from 173 Tunneling Company... 2/lt Grice a mining engineer and Sapper Charles Baptie a Scottish coal miner. Charles was Grices orderly when he was killed by a sniper in 1917 and was awarded the MM for giving first aid under fire in an attempt to save his officer. Things went a bit south for Charles after that resulting in him chinning a superior in 1918 and getting 2 yrs in no 2 military prison. His sentence was reduced by 18 months and the day after he was released he was medically examined in Rouen (inferring another prison) and shipped home for demob.... 

 

Thought the parralels interesting... 

[Solent]

On 14/05/2020 at 09:33, Mick M said:

Quite coincidentally I am researching 2 soldiers from 173 Tunneling Company... 2/lt Grice a mining engineer and Sapper Charles Baptie a Scottish coal miner. Charles was Grices orderly when he was killed by a sniper in 1917 and was awarded the MM for giving first aid under fire in an attempt to save his officer. Things went a bit south for Charles after that resulting in him chinning a superior in 1918 and getting 2 yrs in no 2 military prison. His sentence was reduced by 18 months and the day after he was released he was medically examined in Rouen (inferring another prison) and shipped home for demob.... 

 

Thought the parralels interesting... 

Do you know where no 2 Military Prison was ?

[Mick M]

40 minutes ago, Solent said:

Do you know where no 2 Military Prison was ?

No, it would be nice to see a map of facilities in the area....this is a link to Rouen Prison I suspect it was commandeered.

 

http://www.annuaires.justice.gouv.fr/etablissements-penitentiaires-10113/direction-interregionale-de-lille-10124/maison-darret-de-rouen-10709.html

[Mick M]

10 minutes ago, Mick M said:

No, it would be nice to see a map of facilities in the area....this is a link to Rouen Prison I suspect it was commandeered.

 

http://www.annuaires.justice.gouv.fr/etablissements-penitentiaires-10113/direction-interregionale-de-lille-10124/maison-darret-de-rouen-10709.html

Interesting history for that Prison but all it says about WW1 is that post war many of the warders were bemedalled ex soldiers.

 

https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maison_d'arrêt_de_Rouen