ww1jager Posted 21 December , 2007 Share Posted 21 December , 2007 I picked up this “hate belt” the other day. It is intact (but not wearable) and it has the belt buckle and 26 buttons. I believe that they are German, but I need help to ID some of the buttons (I have never seen the swirl brass buttons, and are the small one navy?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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eyes Posted 22 December , 2007 Share Posted 22 December , 2007 Good day Have to ask, as I am unfamiliar with the term. What is a 'hate belt'? I have seen any number of rememberance belts. Indeed, I have a belt, not exactly like yours, done up by a Canadian with a number of unit badges and such but I never heard the term 'hate belt' before. Cheers. Colin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ww1jager Posted 22 December , 2007 Author Share Posted 22 December , 2007 From what I have read, these belt are consider “Trench Art “. The memory belt like your was collected from other unit which fought with the soldier’s unit in a battle or action. The “Hate Belt was taken from the uniform of your ememy ( living or dead ) but I hear that most of the buttons were taken from the German POW by the their Allied guards . Some times it is hard to tell which one you have but, if the belt have buttons from many counties it may be a memory belt , where a hate belt was mostly taken by the Allied troops and are made up of German buttons. Hate was the reason the butons was taken , not to remmember friends which they served with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max7474 Posted 22 December , 2007 Share Posted 22 December , 2007 It was a common practice of British soldiers to adorn a belt with badges from places they had served. These were usually British but could also include US, empire and even German pieces. However to say these were trophies taken in war as many dealers do is stretching things abit. In particular Hate belt is a latter day term much loved by dealers (esp on Ebay) to make it sound more exciting. It seems to be particular appealing to Americans for some reason. A marketing term at best. Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T8HANTS Posted 22 December , 2007 Share Posted 22 December , 2007 Two points If you are captured with a large amount of the oppositions kit in your possession the original owners take a very dim view of things. The so called "hate belt" in my possession is on a 08 shoulder strap and comprises of the units the owner came into contact with at Gallipoli, there are no Turkish items on it, and the original owner was very British. Do you remember Harold Steptoe's Sam Browne belt of cap badges? Dealers just trying to raise the price, with a silly name. Gareth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ww1jager Posted 23 December , 2007 Author Share Posted 23 December , 2007 Just to look at the number of personel German items ( Iron cross, etc.) which are in the USA and other Allied counties should tell you that our troops had no trouble taking trophies from the German. It realy does not matter which name ones use, ( a memory or hate belt). I think that it is a neat belt and from the way the buttons are atteched, they are from that era. Can any one ID the swirl brass buttons ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auchonvillerssomme Posted 23 December , 2007 Share Posted 23 December , 2007 I have never seen a military button like it and have trawled through as much information as I can, are you able to see the back of it? any marks? It looks like gilt so is of higher quality. My instinct is civilian, French? Turkish? Mick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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