t1418w Posted 19 December , 2007 Share Posted 19 December , 2007 Hi I am new to this foroum. I have for some years been compiling a data base of war memorials in & around Birmingham. I now have information on about 6500 men from Birmingham. In addition, I have the names, rank & regiment of some12500 men & woman from Birmingham who died in the Great War. Please contact me if you need any information. Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Baker Posted 20 December , 2007 Share Posted 20 December , 2007 Tony, welcome to the Forum. As someone whose entire family on both sides was from Birmingham, I am really pleased to hear of your work. So let me begin with this one: Private 13261 Albert Baker, 7th South Staffordshire Regiment. A Gallipoli veteran, he was killed in action at the age of 19 in the Battle of Messines Ridge on 7 June 1917. Lived at 31 Burlington Street in Aston. My grandfather's cousin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Tucker Posted 22 December , 2007 Share Posted 22 December , 2007 Hi Tony This seems a very interesting project, Tony. I have all Royal Warwicks who were killed in the Great War in my database and am currently entering nearly 3000 who are listed in the Birmingham Roll of Honour, 1925. I also have over 300 on the Bham Roll who cannot be identified from CWGC and SDGW. Can you identify other Royal Warwicks from other memorials apart from the ones I know about like the various Corporation Departments. I am more than happy to do some data swapping. I am in Access but can export any data into Excel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Carter Posted 22 December , 2007 Share Posted 22 December , 2007 Hi Tony Welcome to Great War Forum. As you can see Chris does an excellent job running this Forum. Unlike my poor effort in trying to keep the Pals Forum free of spam etc. Keep in touch Tony. Terry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t1418w Posted 22 December , 2007 Author Share Posted 22 December , 2007 Tony, welcome to the Forum. As someone whose entire family on both sides was from Birmingham, I am really pleased to hear of your work. So let me begin with this one: Private 13261 Albert Baker, 7th South Staffordshire Regiment. A Gallipoli veteran, he was killed in action at the age of 19 in the Battle of Messines Ridge on 7 June 1917. Lived at 31 Burlington Street in Aston. My grandfather's cousin. Hi Chris Many thanks for the information. I have not come across a war memorial for Albert Baker yet. He is recorded in "The Roll of Birmingham Men & Woman Who Gave Their Lives In The Great War",book. The book was produced for the opening dedication of the Hall of Memory on the 4th July 1923. During my research it is clear that a good many Birmingham men for what ever reason may not be recorded in the Hall of Memory, further research required. I will update my records to include the information for Albert. Many Thanks Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t1418w Posted 22 December , 2007 Author Share Posted 22 December , 2007 Hi Tony This seems a very interesting project, Tony. I have all Royal Warwicks who were killed in the Great War in my database and am currently entering nearly 3000 who are listed in the Birmingham Roll of Honour, 1925. I also have over 300 on the Bham Roll who cannot be identified from CWGC and SDGW. Can you identify other Royal Warwicks from other memorials apart from the ones I know about like the various Corporation Departments. I am more than happy to do some data swapping. I am in Access but can export any data into Excel. Hi Alan Thanks for the reply. I do have a number of records for war memorials other than churches. These include most of the Birmingham Council memorials, some works, school memorials,Masonic Halls & Clubs etc. I see you have a copy of the Roll of Honour for "The Birmingham Men & Woman Who Gave Their Lives in The Great War". I have found however that not all Bham men are recorded. Please feel free to email me on subotone@blueyonder.co.uk. Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t1418w Posted 22 December , 2007 Author Share Posted 22 December , 2007 Hi Tony Welcome to Great War Forum. As you can see Chris does an excellent job running this Forum. Unlike my poor effort in trying to keep the Pals Forum free of spam etc. Keep in touch Tony. Terry Hi Terry Great to hear from you. This forum is great. At last someone to talk to ref mutual interest. By the way you did a great job with the Bham Pals Forum. Its a pity it no longer seems to get much interest. Had a great time at Avril,s in September & am going to send off for a plaque for Fredrick Mason from the 1/8th RWR, the one who's picture I sent you a while a go. Speak again soon. Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest geoff501 Posted 23 December , 2007 Share Posted 23 December , 2007 Hi Tony, do you know if either of these two are on any memorials in the Birmingham area? Geoff John WILLIS Private 12153 6th Battalion Dorsetshire Regiment. Died of wounds on Thursday 5th August 1915. George Watkin JELFS Lance Corporal 15/1313 15th Battalion Royal Warwickshire Regiment Killed in action France and Flanders on Sunday 4th June 1916 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t1418w Posted 24 December , 2007 Author Share Posted 24 December , 2007 Hi Geoff Although Soldiers Died shows John Willis as being born & lived in Selly Oak Birmingham, I have no record of a memorial for him. He is not even mentioned in "The Roll of Honour of Birmingham Men & Woman Who Gave Their Lives in The Great War" which is the original list of names in Birmingham Hall of Memory. Soldiers Died shows George Watkin Jelfs as being born in Birmingham but living in Bromsgrove. Again not in the Bham Roll of Honour or on any memorial I have. Sorry I cant be more help. Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Bennitt Posted 24 December , 2007 Share Posted 24 December , 2007 Hello Tony Wondering if there in any mention on a local memorial of my great uncle Ernest Gordon Bennitt, of the 15th Royal Warwicks, killedin June 1916. I already know from Terry he is not on the roll of honour. His family lived at Harborne. Thanks and cheers Martin B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Baker Posted 24 December , 2007 Share Posted 24 December , 2007 Tony, as we have all drawn a blank so far, are you able to tell us which memorials (or pehaps which areas of Birmingham) you have covered? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest geoff501 Posted 24 December , 2007 Share Posted 24 December , 2007 Hi Geoff .... Sorry I cant be more help. Tony, Thank you for looking. geoff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t1418w Posted 26 December , 2007 Author Share Posted 26 December , 2007 Hello Tony Wondering if there in any mention on a local memorial of my great uncle Ernest Gordon Bennitt, of the 15th Royal Warwicks, killedin June 1916. I already know from Terry he is not on the roll of honour. His family lived at Harborne. Thanks and cheers Martin B Hi Martin No look either except he is listed in the book "The Roll of Honour of Birmingham Men & Woman who gave Their Lives in The Great War." This means that his name will be in the Bham Hall of Memory. Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Bennitt Posted 26 December , 2007 Share Posted 26 December , 2007 Thanks Tony I thought he wasn't on the roll. Thanks for looking cheers Martin B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t1418w Posted 26 December , 2007 Author Share Posted 26 December , 2007 Tony, as we have all drawn a blank so far, are you able to tell us which memorials (or pehaps which areas of Birmingham) you have covered? Hi Chris Sadley a lot of memorials were destroyed during WW2. Since then there has also been the closure of many of Bham churches resulting in their memorials being moved & often lost. Most of the memorials I have been able to record are within the Bham area. I have also memorials for Solihull, Knowle, Meridan, Hockley Heath etc. The problem within Bham is gaining access to the churches. If any one has any records please let me know as this will save me from hours of greif getting into them. For information I have listed below some of the memorials already recorded. My ambition. My ambition is to record all existing Bham memorials & create a data base containing as much information about those Bham men who died duing WW!. This I realise is an almost impossible task. According to the Roll of Honour for Bham Men & Woman who Gave Their Lives In The Great War, there are over 12500. Any help members of this Forum can give would be a great help to acheiving this particulary in the Smethwick are. So here are some of the memoeials already recorded. St John & Peters Edgbaston St James Handsworth St Giles Sheldon St Cyprians Hay MillsSt Augustines EdgbastonSt Ann's Mosley Raddlebarn J.I. School Selly Oak (WW1) Shard End R.B.L Mosley School (WW2) Ivy Leaf Sheldon Friends Institute Highgate Elim Pentecostal Church Sell Oak Dorridge R.B.L Bham CentraL School Avery Soho Works Aston Old Edwardians St Marys Washwood Heath St Mary & St Ambrose St Nicholas Elmdon St Nicholas Kings Norton St Saviours Saltley St Saviours J & I School St Stephens Ladywood St Thomas-in-Moors Balsall Heath Stechford Cross Stechford TA Barracks Sheldon Bham Education Dept City Centre Austin R.B.L All Saints Church Four Oaks Sutton South Parade Methodist Church Memorial O/S Sutton Town Hall St Giles Church Packwood St Thomas Church Hockley Heath St James the Great Church Shirley Kingswood Meeting House Wythall R.B.L Wythall St Peters & St Pauls Aston Our Lady of the Rosary Saltley Christ Church Yardley Wood Hockley Heath Memorial Meridan Oberlisk Solihull Council Civic Suite (WW2) Central Sec School Holy Trinity Church Birchfield St Edburghas Church Yardley St Margarets Church Olton St Christophers Church Mosley St Margarets Church Ward End Quinbourne Cebtre Quinton Castle Bromwich Alter of Remberence Magnet Centre (LOST) St Pauls Hamstead Richmond Public House (WW2) Demolished now lost. Chester Rd Baptist Church Edgbaston Old Church Edgbaston Cricket Club St Alphege Solihull Immanuel Church Kings Heath St Mary's Church Hamstead St Georges Church Edgbaston All Saints Church Four Oaks All Saints Church Small Heath St Mary's Church Acocks Green Lichfield Rd Wesleyn Church Aston Meridan memoial cross Meridan St Johns Church Sparkhill Emanuel Church Sparkhill St Beads Church Sparkhill (Demolished) St Marys Church Selly Oak BSA memorial Small Heath Bham Police Roll of Honour Bham Fire & Ambulance Service (WW2) Acocks Green Methodist Church All Saints Church Kings Heath Bham City Tramways Kinks Heath Bham Council House Treasures Dept Bham Public libaries memorial's Bishop Vesey School Sutton Coldfield Bournville Social Club Stirchley Cadburys Swimming Pool Bournville Cambridge Rd Methodist church Clareden Suite Edgbaston Council House Belgium Exciles (WW2) Council House Public Works Dept I do have a number of other memorials but my finger is getting tired & it is after all Boxing Day. Regards Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t1418w Posted 26 December , 2007 Author Share Posted 26 December , 2007 Thanks Tony I thought he wasn't on the roll. Thanks for looking cheers Martin B Marti The Rool does not give much information except for the following, Bennitt E G L-Cpl RWar R. Regards Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polar Bear Posted 26 December , 2007 Share Posted 26 December , 2007 Hello, I dont suppose you could have a look and see if either of these two are commemorated in Birmingham? Horace Edward Stait, Private, 890, 15th Battalion, Royal Warwickshire Regiment Died 26th September 1916, aged 24, Commemorated at Thiepval. or Henry Samson George Stait, 11929, Northern Command Depot (Ripon), Fitter, Royal Field Artillery, died in Ripon on 11th March 1917, aged 47. If it helps they were from the Handsworth area I believe. Any help would be appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thGordons Posted 27 December , 2007 Share Posted 27 December , 2007 Hello - I'd be much obliged if you could have a look to see if you have a record of: ADAMS, ARTHUR HENRY Pte 311018 , 1/1 Warwickshire Yeomanry Date of Death: 08/11/1917 GAZA WAR CEMETERY. apparently a Birmingham native. Thanks in advance Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t1418w Posted 27 December , 2007 Author Share Posted 27 December , 2007 Hello, I dont suppose you could have a look and see if either of these two are commemorated in Birmingham? Horace Edward Stait, Private, 890, 15th Battalion, Royal Warwickshire Regiment Died 26th September 1916, aged 24, Commemorated at Thiepval. or Henry Samson George Stait, 11929, Northern Command Depot (Ripon), Fitter, Royal Field Artillery, died in Ripon on 11th March 1917, aged 47. If it helps they were from the Handsworth area I believe. Any help would be appreciated. Hi I have no records of memorials for either Horace or Henry. Neither are listed in the Roll of Honour for Bham Men & Woman Who Died In The Great War. I have found some information about them that might be of help. Horace Stait. Soldiers Died shows him as being born in Aston Bham, Enlisted Bham, Living in Handsworth Bham & KIA. The 1901 Cencus shows Horace aged 9 living at 32 Nett Inn Rd Handsworth Bham. Quite a large familey, Father William aged 52 a Carpenter & Joiner, Mother Elizabeth aged 52. Brothers & Sisters Ellen 29, William 25, Edith 22, Jessie 21, Elizabeth 19, Walter 17, Leonard 15, Cecely 12, Horace 9 & Beatrice 7. Henry Stait, Soldiers Died & his Medal Card Index show him as Harry same number. He was born in Bham, enlisted in Southhampton & Died at Home. The CWGC show him as the son of William & Elizabeth Stait. However, only the CWGC shows him as Henry. The 1871 Cencus shows him as Harry aged 1 living with his parents William a Carpenter & Joiner & his mother Elizabeth at 9 Woodbourne Terrace Edgbaston Bham. I am unable to locate him on the 1901 Cencus but had moved away from the familey. The only Stait I have listed is Fredrick Stait on the St James church memorial Handsworth. Possible relative. Hope the above is of some help Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t1418w Posted 27 December , 2007 Author Share Posted 27 December , 2007 Hello - I'd be much obliged if you could have a look to see if you have a record of: ADAMS, ARTHUR HENRY Pte 311018 , 1/1 Warwickshire Yeomanry Date of Death: 08/11/1917 GAZA WAR CEMETERY. apparently a Birmingham native. Thanks in advance Chris Hi Chris Adams Arthur Henry is listed in the "Roll of Honour of Birmingham Men & Woman Who Gave Their Lives in The Great War". He is listed as Adams A H J, Tpr War, Yeo. He is therefore remembered in the Birmingham Hall of Memory. Soldiers Died list him as born, enlisted & living in Birmingham, Killed In Action 08/11/1917. Hope this is of some help. Regards Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thGordons Posted 27 December , 2007 Share Posted 27 December , 2007 Many Thanks Tony. Much appreciated. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polar Bear Posted 29 December , 2007 Share Posted 29 December , 2007 Many thanks for the information. It seems a shame that neither are in the Roll of Honour for Birmingham Men & Woman Who Died In The Great War. Still there memories are not entirely forgotten. As to Frederick Stait, thank you for that. I will look into it as there was a very strong Handsworth connection, though we know not of Frederick. Thank you, Hugh (a descendant of Edith Emily Stait, Horace and Henry's sister). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myrtle Posted 29 December , 2007 Share Posted 29 December , 2007 Tony Please will you have a look to see if Private John William Perry 37206 1st Bn. Worcestershire Reg. appears on any of the Birmingham memorials. He was married to Harriett Amanda Perry 191, Bromfield Lane, Erdington, Birmingham and was a resident of Birmingham where he enlisted. He was killed in action 31st July 1917. Myrtle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t1418w Posted 29 December , 2007 Author Share Posted 29 December , 2007 Hi Myrtle I have no records for John William Perry. He is not listed in the Birmingham Roll of Honour. I am surprised thet having lived in Bromford Lane Erdington he is not remembered on the St Barnabas Church Parish memorial which is just around the corner (sadley recently involved in a serious fire). Is it possible that the familey moved back to Wales following his death as I see his parents lived the Elan Village Rhayadar Radnor Wales & that John was born in Bala. This would account to there being no records. Bham Hall of Memory was not opened until 1923. It may be worth trying Elan Village to see if he is on their war memorial. Regards Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Tucker Posted 29 December , 2007 Share Posted 29 December , 2007 Tony, Having earlier giving us your impressive Bham area memorials covered list until your typing finger ran out of energy what about a list of the rest? It would be much appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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