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Arthur Binder, South Lancashire Regiment


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My great grandad was in the Roal Engineers at South Lancashire Regiment, his name was Arthur Daniel Binder, I believe he was born in 1900. My grandad told me when he alive he received war medals (I think 1914/15 star, british war medal and victory medal), not sure if he was awarded anything else and have no more information. Any help greatly received.

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Krissi

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Hi Krissi,

The pension records on Ancestry only have one entry for an Arthur Binder. Number 3792, Third Battalion, South Lancs Regt. He was from 13 Doulton? Street, St Helens.

Does this sound like him?

If so there are 7 pages I can download and send to you by email.

Send me a Private Message with your email address if you wish.

Doug

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Hi Krissi,

Nothing coming through in my messages - I think the forum is experiencing problems at the moment.

You can email me direct at removed no longer needed.

Doug

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In August 1914, the 3rd (Special Reserve) Battalion was stationed at Crosby. As a Special Reserve, their two main purposes were coastal defence and the supply of reinforcement to the Regular Army in the field.

The battalion remained in the UK throughout the war.

January 1915 – moved to a hutted camp a little further inland

March 1917 – moved to Barrow-in-Furness, where they remained for 2 years.

March 1919 – sent to Dublin.

Although the battalion remained in the UK throughout the war, several thousand men passed through the battalion on their way to serve overseas.

I can’t locate a Medal Index Card for 3792 Binder, which suggests that perhaps he was one of those who didn’t serve overseas.

The chap on Ancestry has only 54 days embodied service.

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Thank you Doug. None of this ties with what my grandad told me about his dad but does seem to be correct as he would of only have been 15 so may well have left after 54 days for being too young. I will look into the Kings Regulation number to find the reason for his discharge. What was the min sign-up age at this time?

Thanks a million

Krissi

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I have just checked into this and yes he was discharged for being a naughty boy and lying about his age. He was only 15 when he enlisted, my dad thinks he may of re-enlisted when he was 17, so if anyone can help me anyfurther on this I would appreciate it as I seem to have hit a brick wall!!

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Looking at the Medal Index Cards, we don't actually have that many options - one to be exact, since the other 3 Arthur Binders have middle initials that aren't "D"...

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documen...mp;mediaarray=*

This is the suspect:

Medal card of Binder, Arthur

Corps Regiment No Rank

King's Shropshire Light Infantry 38437 Private

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documen...p;resultcount=4

Steve.

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His service records are in the Burnt Records on Ancestry - you lucky person!

Steve.

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Yes, the are in the WO363 Burnt records section - I'm looking at them now 38437 Arthur Daniel Binder, 1st Bn. King's Shropshire L.I., enlisted 16-10-1915, age 18 (ahem). Discharged September 1918 due to rheumatism (I kid you not...)

EDIT: He was still under-age - born 21-4-1900. He got to France this time in April 1918, but they caught him again! Reading further, he was not actually discharged in Sept 1918 but went to the 1st Army Instruction School in France, later had tonsilitis, and rheumatism and returned to England in October 1918.

Steve.

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His service records are in the Burnt Records on Ancestry - you lucky person!

Steve.

Sorry, blonde bird here!! What are Burnt Records?

Now I'm really confused!

I know the info is correct that he was enlisted in 1915 and then discharged due to being too young 54 days later and then re-enlisted at 17, so does that fit in with what you have Steve. Sorry for being naive but this is my first go at this!!

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I've edited my post above. I'll do a proper summary. Back in a bit....

Steve.

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Here's a summary of his career:

Arthur Daniel Binder.

1st Enlistment - "Pension Records"

Enlisted 17-5-1915, age "19"

Served 17-5-1915 to 9-7-1915, 54 days.

3792 3rd South Lancs

Discharged King's Regulations, Paratgraph 392, XVIa - Underage

Next of Kin, Selina Binder, 18 Dalton Street, St Helens, Lancs.

2nd Enlistment - "Burnt records"

18 Dalton Street, St Helens, Lancs.

Born 21-4-1900

Tram Conductor.

Enlisted at Prescot, 16-10-1915, declared age 19 years, 4 months ( ;) )

"Transferred to 3rd South Lancashire Regiment as Corporal, 29-8-1916" (This bit doesn't fit very well....)

3rd Battalion South Lancashire Regiment, number 22060.

Appointed Lance-Corporal, 15-1-1918

Qualified at Musketry.

To France, 7-4-1918

Reverted to private on posting overseas, 7-4-1918

Joined G Infantry Base Depot and posted to 8th South Lancashire Regiment, 8-4-1918

Transferred to 1st Bn. King's Shropshire L.I., new number, 38437, 8-4-1918

Joined 1st KSLI, 10-4-1918

Sent to 6 Infantry Base Depot, Rouen on discovery of being under-age, 10-7-1918

Sent to No 5 Convalescent Depot, Cayeaux, 15-7-1918

Joined No 5 Convalescent Depot, Cayeaux, 17-7-1918

Joined 1st Army Infantry School, France, 14-8-1918

Admitted to Field Ambulance ill, 19-9-1918

Admitted to No 25 General Hospital with tonsilitis, 19-9-1918

To England aboard A.T. "Cambrai", 6-10-1918

Developed rheumatism after an attack of tonsillitis in September 1918.

Admitted Norfolk War Hospital, Thorpe, Norwich, with rheumatism, 6-10-1918 to 25-1-1919.

Discharged from hospital, cured, no disability.

Transferred to Class Z Reserve, 22-2-1919

So it looks like he got three months in the front line - but he certainly picked three of the most intense months of the war!

Steve.

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Thank you so much Steve, that would have taken me forever to collect that information, you are all stars on here, it is amazing. Now all I nedd is an expert to do my other great-grandad Nal history and I'm sorted!!

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My mum was born in Dalton Street, St Helens.

Small world, eh?

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My mum was born in Dalton Street, St Helens.

Small world, eh?

Yeah it is, wonder if our relatives new each other, everyone seemed to know everyone back then!!

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