Sue S Posted 18 December , 2007 Author Share Posted 18 December , 2007 Hi Neil, Thomas Perry does not appear in the index and as far as I can see, does not appear on Walsall Roll Of Honour. The copy of the Roll that I have is the one which was published in the newspaper in July 1919 following months of appeals for names for inclusion on the Walsall War Memorial plaques in the Town Hall. There is a Pte E. Walker Lancashire Fusiliers of 77 Teddesley St Walsall on the Roll Of Honour and there is an entry in my index for Ezekiah Walker of Teddedley Street who I presume is the same man. His photograph appears in the newspaper on 8-4-16. and it says that he is presumed dead. As you probably know it can be months or even years after someone goes missing before they are reported presumed dead. Frank Griffiths also appears on the Roll of Honour Sgt Lancashire Fusiliers of 122 Blue Lane West Walsall. There are several entries for him in my index. The first 31-7-1915 when he is in the newspaper because he has returned to the front, then 7-7-1917 when he was missing and then 16-2-1918 reporting that he had been killed. There is also another entry which could be him but there is no address given. It was on 29-4-1916 and the photo of him and 2 of his brothers was included. Ther is often a paragraph of information to accompany the photos so if you intend to contact alsall Local History Centre for copies I would suggest that you ask them to copy the report rather than the photo as they will probably the same photo for each entry. Best Wishes Sue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue S Posted 18 December , 2007 Author Share Posted 18 December , 2007 Hi Dorrie. There is an entry for C. Edwards of Blakenall Lane. He is listed as killed and his photograph appears in the Walsall Observer 4-9-1915. I have a copy of the page on which the photograph appears but there is no accompanying article unfortunately. The caption underneath the photograph says Lance Corporal C. Edwards 1/5th South Staffords 229, Blakenall Lane Killed in Action. It is possible that the report of his death was in an edition before or after the photo. Hope that this is of help. Sue S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorrie Posted 18 December , 2007 Share Posted 18 December , 2007 Thanks Sue Dorrie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue S Posted 18 December , 2007 Author Share Posted 18 December , 2007 Walsall Pioneer. To everyone who I promised to check the Walsall Pioneer Index for I am sorry to say that the names you were all looking for were not included. Sue S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthony Posted 18 December , 2007 Share Posted 18 December , 2007 Hi Sue, Interested in anything relating to the Motteram brothers-Arthur (wounded on 13/10/15 and killed in 1918) and Harold who also served with the 1/5th S.Staffs until transferred to the MGC later in the war. Cheers, Anthony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmac Posted 19 December , 2007 Share Posted 19 December , 2007 I would like to now if there is any info of John (Jack) Price Painter M.M. He came from Shire Oak, Walsall Wood. He originally enlisted into the Worcester Regiment in 1915 and gave a false age. He was discharged in November 1915 as under age. However he won a Military Medal with the Royal Fusiliers (service number 75761) in October 1918. If I can cheekily stick my nose in.... Having acquired this week a copy of The Roll of the Great War for Walsall and District there may be some names I can help with and Jack Painter is one of them. Address: Salter's Road, Walsall Wood Joined up March 15, discharged Jan 19 MM, General Service and Victory Medals Three wound stripes Sent to France 17, engaged in the Big Push, wounded in left arm at Bourlon Wood and sent to Ireland on recovery. On returning home was presented with Gold Watch and Illuminated Scroll by residents of the parish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmac Posted 19 December , 2007 Share Posted 19 December , 2007 could you let me know of any Coldstream Guards please - Name: WILSON, ALFRED Initials: A Joined October 15 General Service and Victory Medals To France May 16, saw action at Arras, Cambrai and Ypres. Reported missing in German Spring Offensive. Private address: Lichfield Road, Brownhills I will check through the Roll for any other Coldstream Guards (benefits of being bed-ridden with nothing better to do!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drummy Posted 19 December , 2007 Share Posted 19 December , 2007 Sue, Many thanks for all your help, I have emailed Walsall LHL to see if they can assist copying the articles you listed. Thanks Neil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmac Posted 19 December , 2007 Share Posted 19 December , 2007 Colstreamer Various Coldstream Guards from the Walsall Roll. First 100 pages checked will do the remaining 100 pages asap. I have put in some ?? where the information may be incorrect. Guardsman H Birch 55, New Street, Shelfield Joined 11th December 15 Discharged 12th April 19 Victory Medals Served at Caterham for 3 months then transferred to Irish Guards, Warley Barracks, Brentford (??), Essex. Cpl C E Humphries 3rd Coldstream Guards Joined 21st Sept 14 Discharged 18th Dec 18 General Service and Victory Medals One wound stripe Served in France from 19th April 15 until 19th Nov 15 Came home for operation and back to France Sept 16 Wounded in arm and back on Somme Sept 17 (??) At base until Jan 18 when back to front line Returned home with poisoned foot Discharged from Windsor Barracks Address: Mill Green, Aldridge Guardsman T Wood Joined Dec 14 Discharged Jan 19 1915 Star, General Service and Victory Medals To France Sept 15, saw action on SOmme, Ypres, Loos, Arras and Bourlon Wood where he was gassed and sent to Base Hospital Returned to front on recovery Address: Friezland Lane, Brownhills Pte W Bentley 2nd Coldstreams Joined Oct 14 Holds 14 Star, General Service and Victory Medals To France April 15, saw action at Ypres, Arras and Bapaume (??). Received gun shot wounds to the thigh on the SOmme which fractured femur. Died at No. 5 Hospital, Rouen, Sept 16 Address: Lindon Road, Brownhills Pte G Stokes Joined May 18 Discharged Dec 18 Enlisted at Walsall sent to Lichfield then Caterham. Engaged on home service Address: Coppice Side, Brownhills Pte J Mellor Joined Apr 18 Discharged Dec 18 (Aldershot) Enlisted at Walsall, to Caterham then Windsor Home service Address: Allbutts Road, Brownhills Pte S Moorcroft Joined 24th April 18 Discharged 14th Dec 18 Caterham and Windsor Address: 56, Parker Street, Bloxwich Guardsman B Cotterill Joined Apr 18 Discharged Dec 18 Caterham and Windsor Sent back as miner to work in pits Address: High Street, Brownhills L/Cpl J Wright Joined 4th Sept 14 Discharged 22nd Mar 19 14-15 Star, General Service and Victory Medal One wound stripe Trained at Caterham and Windsor Saw service in France, Belgium and Germany - Hinges, Givenchy, Brickfields La Vinchy (Cuinchy?) where wounded invalided home for 4 months. Back for Loos, Somme, Ypres, Cambrai, Bullecourt, Arras, Marburg and Occupation Army Address: High Street, Chasetown Guardsman A Hackett Joined 3rd Apr 18 Discharged 4th MAr 19 General Service and Victory Medals Caterham, to France and wounded at Mulberg (??) 4th Nov 18. To hospital at Saffron Walden Address: 21 Gaia Lane, Lichfield. Sapper J Houlston Coldstreams and RE Joined 09 14-15 Star, General Service and Victory Medals AT Mons with Guards then 1st Ypres, Festubert and Givenchy Worked on first experimental mine and tunnelled under German lines at Brickfields, Cuinchy. Address: Muckley Corner, Lichfield. Pte D Cashmore Joined Dec 14 14-15 Medal, General Service and Victory Medals At Loos, Ypres, Somme, Cambrai (??) Reported missing Apr 17 and officially notified kia, place unknown, Mar 18 Address: 9, Four Oaks Commoon Road, Four Oaks, Sutton Coldfield Pte F Proffitt Joined Sept 14 Discharged 1st July 17 14-15 Star, General Service and Victory Medals One wound stripe Brickfields, Givenchy, La Bassee, Festubert, Vermelles, Cambrian (??). Armentieres. Bomb wound at Cambrian (??) losing right eye. Invalided home and discharged. Address; high Street, Chasetown Guardsman O Upton Joined 2nd May 17 Discharged Dec 19 Lichfield, Caterham, Garrison duty at Windsor Castle Address: 11 John Street, Chadsmoor, Cannock Guardsman C J Darby Joined 1st May 18 Victory Medal Trained at Grantham for 6 months Transferred to Machine Gun Guards (?) to Caterham and Pirbright as gunner Transferred to Colstreams and on reserve until 1929 Address: 28 Pye Green Road, Cannock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue S Posted 19 December , 2007 Author Share Posted 19 December , 2007 Coldstreamer. I checked the list which Bmac kindly posted. The only one who appears in the index is W. Bentley The edition of the Walsall Observer is dated 23-9-1916. Sue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldstreamer Posted 19 December , 2007 Share Posted 19 December , 2007 Thanks all for the coldstream bits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue S Posted 19 December , 2007 Author Share Posted 19 December , 2007 Hi Anthony. I have some info for you and will send you a PM.Sue S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthony Posted 19 December , 2007 Share Posted 19 December , 2007 Hi Anthony. I have some info for you and will send you a PM.Sue S Thanks Sue-got the info. Many thanks for your efforts-very much appreciated! Anthony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmac Posted 19 December , 2007 Share Posted 19 December , 2007 Some more Coldstreams Pte G H Higgins Joined 30th May 18 Discharged 14th Dec 18 Lichfield, Caterham and Pirbright. Garrison duty Address: 18 Field Street, Cannock L/Cpl R H Cliff Joined 27th Mar 18 Discharged 18th Dec 18 Caterham, Windsor and ALdershot Address: 26 Church Street, Bridgetown Pte T H Babb 2nd Coldstreams Joined 25th July 1899 Discharged 1st Jan 19 Kings and Queen's Medals, 14-15 Star, General Service and Victory Medals On reserve when war declared. To France 11th Sept 14 1st Ypres, Loos, Somme, Arras, etc. Address: 80 Lloyd Street, Cannock Guardsman E G Townsend (photo) Joined 29th Dec 14 Discharged 20th Feb 19 14-15 Star, General Service and Victory Medals Ypres, Loos, Laventie, Somme, Havrincourt, Grandcourt, 3rd Ypres (inc. Pilkem Ridge), Cambrai, Canal du Nord, Army of Occupation. Address: Clarence Road, Four Oaks, Sutton Coldfield. Pte A Evans Joined 26th Mar 18 Discharged 4th Dec 18 Caterham, Windosr Castle Discharged to mines Address: 30 House Row, Esington nr Wolverhampton Cpl F W Wainwright JOined 18th Sept 15 Discharged 17th Oct 18 General Service and Victory Medals Two wound stripes To France Feb 16 Morval, Les Boeufs where wounded 24th Sept To hospita; in Monmouthshire To Poperinghe then Cambrai Wounded 26th Nov 18 (?) Fontaine Hospital in Brimingham. Address: 144, Church Hill, Hednesford Cpl E Wainwright Joined Mar 17 Discharged Nov 19 Warwick, Caterham and Windsor Army of Occupation post Armistice Discharged at Chelsea Addreess: 144, Church Hill, Hednesford Guardsman J Winsor Joined May 18 Discharged Dec 18 Lichfield and Caterham Address: 79 Hill Street, Hednesford Cpl A F M Alcock 1st Coldstreams Joined Nov 15 Discharged 4th Mar 19 Two wound stripes MM, General Service and Victory Medals To France Aug 16 Somme, where wounded MiD Wounded Aug 18 and awarded MM for conduct Address: Dugdale Farm, Hednesford More tomorrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue S Posted 20 December , 2007 Author Share Posted 20 December , 2007 None of the latest list provided by bmac are in the index. Hednesford and Sutton are outside the area for the Walsall newspapers but it is always worth checking Cannock entries. Cannock did have its own newspaper but there are a number of Cannock men in the Walsall index. It is also worth checking anyone who had childhood/earlier connections with Walsall even if they had left the area before the war. There are a number of entries which say 'formerly of Walsall' Sue S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue S Posted 20 December , 2007 Author Share Posted 20 December , 2007 Hi Anthony. The photograph of Artur Motteram in 1915 is different to the one in 1918 so you may want to ask for copies of both. Presumably he had another photograph taken after his commission. According to the 1901 census both Arthur and Harold were born in Walsall. Their father John Smith Motteram was a carpenter and joiner, and their mother was called Hettie. Sue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmac Posted 20 December , 2007 Share Posted 20 December , 2007 Last couple Guardsman G Timmis 3rd Coldstreams Joined 17th Aug 15 Discharged Feb 19 Caterham to France May 16 Guillemont, Givenchy, Pilkem Ridge, Passchendaele Ridge, Arras, Canal du Nord where awarded MM 17th Sept 18 Demobbed at Clipstone Address: Armitage nr. Rugeley Pte A Bull 1st Coldstreams 14-15 Star, General Service and Victory Medals One wound stripe To France May 15 Loos where buried by shell Wounded at Givenchy (?) 25th Sept 16 and DoW 7 days later at a CCS Address: 14 Armitage Rd. Rugeley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthony Posted 20 December , 2007 Share Posted 20 December , 2007 Thanks Sue, I think I came across the later one a few years ago. I'm just about to get in touch with Walsall Library now! Ant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmac Posted 20 December , 2007 Share Posted 20 December , 2007 Sounds a very worthwhile project. If your index is computerised could you kindly pull out how many are Royal Warwickshire Regiment? My database of RWR has 50 Walsall born and 28 Walsall resident (some overlap between the two categories). Also a small number of Pelsall and Bloxwich. Alan, From the Walsall and District Roll of the Great War (NB these are participants not just those killed). If you need more information on any particular man let me know. Pte Wm Nicholls - Walsall Pte J R Jenvey - Walsall L/Cpl J Bryant (1/5 RWR) - Walsall Pte W Cochrane - Walsall Pte John Jeffcott (6 RWR) - Walsall Wood Cpl J A Craven (15 RWR) - Streetly Pte F Breeden (2 RWR) - Brownhills Pte B Batchelor - Brownhills Sgt C Russell (10 RWR) - Brownhills Sgt J Burton - Chasetown Pte E H Jones (14 RWR) - Sutton Coldfield Pte H Parsons - Great Wyrley Pte J Cashmore (9 RWR) - Sutton Coldfield Pte L J Robinson (2 RWR) - Sutton Coldfield Pte J P Higham (2/5 RWR) - Sutton Coldfield Pte H F Pickering (9 RWR) - Chasetown Cpl J I Lomas - Chasetown Pte C E Humphris (8, 10 and 11 RWR) - Sutton Coldfield L/Cpl P Salter (1 RWR) - Sutton Coldfield Pte A J Toy (6 RWR) - Sutton Coldfield Pte C Evans (1/5 RWR) - Cheslyn Hay Pte T E Baker (1/5 RWR) - Sutton Coldfield Pte I E Haddaway - Cannock Pte H Barnes (14 RWR) - Cannock Pte T Bagnall - Walsall Pte F Dawes - Hednesford Pte J Lewis (1 RWR) - Cannock Sgt T G Shemmonds (9 RWR) - Alrewas, Burton on Trent Rev L Richardson (2/7 RWR att 182 Bde) - Burton on Trent Cpl P B Powell (1/8 RWR) - Burton on Trent Sgt J A Shaw (9 RWR) - Walsall Pte A Hunt (16 RWR) - Lichfield L/Cpl G Salt (9 RWR) - Rugeley Lt W J Crump (6 RWR) - Lichfield Capt G R Couch - Lichfield Pte G E Francis - Walsall L/Cpl W T Lamb (9RWR) - Walsall Pte A J Bellingham (1/5 RWR) - Sutton Coldfield Pte J Roberts (3 RWR) - Walsall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue S Posted 20 December , 2007 Author Share Posted 20 December , 2007 Neither Bull nor Timmis are in the index. Sue S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldstreamer Posted 20 December , 2007 Share Posted 20 December , 2007 Thats 2 blanks for me then - Ive a medal to Bull as well Thanks for looking and thank you bmac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Carter Posted 22 December , 2007 Share Posted 22 December , 2007 Hi Sue I have just uncovered my photo-copy of the Walsall & District Roll of Honour, which gives info on Walsall service men who survived and who became casualties. There are also some pictures aswell. If any one wants any info let me know. Terry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stiletto_33853 Posted 22 December , 2007 Share Posted 22 December , 2007 Sue, Is there a CLARKSON, James, Corporal # B/815, 8th Rifle Brigade, Killed in Action 3/5/17 at Triangle Wood or any other Rifle Brigade men there. Many thanks Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue S Posted 23 December , 2007 Author Share Posted 23 December , 2007 Hi Andy. it is not possible to search the index for regiments, corps etc, only by name. James Clarkson does not appear in the index nor on the Walsall Roll of Honour published in 1919. The Roll was used as the definitive list of local men who lost their lives in the Great War and those who appear on it also appear on the memorial in Walsall Town Hall and the Borough Memorial Book. The only Clarkson is William R.A.M.C. of Windsor Street. Sorry not to be of help on this occasion but please feel free to ask again. Sue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stiletto_33853 Posted 23 December , 2007 Share Posted 23 December , 2007 Sue, Many thanks for looking, it is much appreciated. Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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