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Hi there, RPS...

Esmeralda hasn't been on the forum since November last year, but I'll send her a Personal Message to let her know of your interest.

My neighbour was raised in Rudgwick, so I've had a quick check on CWGC to compare against your Rudgwick Remembers details.

Here's the CWGC list, and there are some Names which don't appear on the Remembrance site, so could you pass this on?

BROOKS, ERNEST JOHN. Rank: Major. Date of Death: 15/09/1916. Age: 38.

Regiment/Service: Canadian Infantry 25th Bn. Panel Reference: Memorial: VIMY MEMORIAL. Additional Information: Husband of Kathleen Monte Brooks, of Yatton House, Rudgwick, Horsham, Sussex, England. Born at West Buckland, Somerset, England.

BUSS, BENJAMIN WILLIAM. Rank: Lance Bombardier. Service No: 42135.

Date of Death: 02/11/1918. Age: 26. Regiment/Service: Royal Garrison Artillery 197th Siege Bty. Grave Reference: I. D. 32. Cemetery: STAGLIENO CEMETERY, GENOA.

Additional Information: Son of Christopher and Olive Alice Buss, of Ditches Green, Ockley, Dorking, Surrey. Born at Tismans Common, Rudgwick, Horsham.

CHEESMORE, A T. Rank: Private. Service No: G/21012. Date of Death :27/12/1917. Age: 19. Regiment/Service: Royal Sussex Regiment 7th Bn.

Grave Reference: P. V. H. 9B. Cemetery: ST. SEVER CEMETERY EXTENSION, ROUEN. Additional Information: Son of Mr. T. Cheesmore, of Bucks Green, Rudgwick, Horsham.

EDWARDS, NATHAN. Rank: Private. Service No: 4415. Date of Death: 12/09/1916. Age :29. Regiment/Service: The Queen's (Royal West Surrey Regiment) 1st/5th Bn.

Grave Reference: IV. R. 6. Cemetery: BASRA WAR CEMETERY.

Additional Information: Son of the late Nathan and Eliza Edwards, of Rudgwick, Sussex.

ELLIOTT, T. Rank: Private. Service No: 13459. Date of Death: 06/07/1916. Age: 21. Regiment/Service: Coldstream Guards 1st Bn.

Grave Reference: II. U. 10. Cemetery: ESSEX FARM CEMETERY.

Additional Information: Son of Mr. and Mrs. G. Elliott, of Ellen's Green, Rudgwick, Sussex.

ETHERINGTON, ALFRED. Rank: Private. Service No: 442982. Date of Death: 09/08/1918.

Age: 34. Regiment/Service: Canadian Infantry 29th Bn.

Grave Reference: I. C. 18. Cemetery: ROSIERES COMMUNAL CEMETERY EXTENSION. Additional Information: Son of James and Eliza Etherington, of Rudgwick, Sussex, England.

GRINSTED, JAMES. Rank: Private. Service No: 2899. Date of Death: 28/04/1917. Age: 31. Regiment/Service: Honourable Artillery Company 1st Bn.

Panel Reference: Bay 1. Memorial: ARRAS MEMORIAL.

Additional Information: Son of John and Louisa Elizabeth Grinsted, of The Village, Rudgwick, Horsham.

IRELAND, JACOB. Rank: Stoker 1st Class. Service No: K/7229. Date of Death: 31/05/1916.

Age: 27. Regiment/Service: Royal Navy H.M.S. "Queen Mary."

Panel Reference: 18. Memorial: PORTSMOUTH NAVAL MEMORIAL.

Additional Information: Son of Stephen Ireland, of Lynwick St., Rudgwick, Sussex.

IRELAND, WILLIAM. Rank: Second Lieutenant. Date of Death: 25/09/1915. Age: 33.

Regiment/Service: Royal Sussex Regiment 2nd Bn.

Grave Reference: VII. F. 1. Cemetery: DUD CORNER CEMETERY, LOOS.

Additional Information: Son of William and Emily Ireland, of Rudgwick, Horsham, Sussex; husband of Eva May Ireland, of 54, London Rd., Bognor, Sussex.

JENKINS, A. Rank: Private. Service No: SD/3792. Date of Death: 29/09/1918. Age: 33. Regiment/Service: Royal Sussex Regiment 16th (Sussex Yeomanry) Bn.

Grave Reference: I. C. 39. Cemetery: DOINGT COMMUNAL CEMETERY EXTENSION.

Additional Information: Husband of M. Jenkins, of Ellen's Green, Rudgwick, Horsham.

JENKINS, FRANK. Rank: Lance Corporal. Service No: 50654. Date of Death: 28/03/1918. Age: 24. Regiment/Service: Royal Engineers 91st Field Coy.

Grave Reference: V. F. 28. Cemetery: DUISANS BRITISH CEMETERY, ETRUN

Additional Information: Son of George and Eliza Jenkins, of Ellens Green, Rudgwick, Horsham.

JOYCE, ARCHIBALD BONIFACE SILAS. Rank: Gunner. Service No: RMA/5828.

Date of Death: 07/10/1917. Age: 45.

Regiment/Service: Royal Marine Artillery No. 6 Gun, Howitzer Bde. R.N. Div.

Grave Reference: VII. F. 11. Cemetery: DUHALLOW A.D.S. CEMETERY.

Additional Information: Long Service and Good Conduct Medal. Son of John and Frances Joyce, of Rudgwick, Sussex; husband of Harriett Eleanor Joyce, of 44, Queen St., Horsham, Sussex.

LAKER, WILLIAM JAMES CUTHBERT. Rank: Private. Service No: 15839.

Date of Death: 25/01/1917. Age: 18. Regiment/Service: Royal Sussex Regiment 11th Bn.

Grave Reference: V. F. 4. Cemetery: VLAMERTINGHE MILITARY CEMETERY.

Additional Information: Son of William Laker, of King's Head, Rudgwick, nr. Horsham.

LEGGE, REGINALD CHARLES. Rank: Lieutenant. Date of Death: 16/09/1916. Age: 34. Regiment/Service: Machine Gun Corps (Heavy Branch) "D" Coy.

Panel Reference: Pier and Face 5 C and 12 C. Memorial: THIEPVAL MEMORIAL.

Additional Information: Son of Mrs. Legge, of "Hencocks," Rudgwick, Sussex.

LORD, HARRY E. R. Rank: Private. Service No: 204102. Date of Death: 13/05/1917. Age: 30. Regiment/Service: London Regiment (Royal Fusiliers) 1st Bn.

Panel Reference: Bay 9. Memorial: ARRAS MEMORIAL.

Additional Information: Husband of Lilian Mabel Strudwick (formerly Lord), of Barnsfold Lane, Tisman's Common, Rudgwick, Sussex.

MARINER, L. Rank: Private. Service No: 171068. Date of Death: 18/11/1918. Age: 24. Regiment/Service: Machine Gun Corps 57th Coy.

Grave Reference: XI. B. 31. Cemetery: TERLINCTHUN BRITISH CEMETERY, WIMILLE.

Additional Information: Son of Thomas and Hannah Mariner, of Rudgwick; husband of Annie Eliza Mariner, of Warhams Farm, Rudgwick, Sussex.

MARINER, SAMUEL. Rank: Lance Bombardier. Service No: 67471. Date of Death: 30/11/1918. Age: 23. Regiment/Service: Royal Garrison Artillery 128th Heavy Bty.

Grave Reference: Screen Wall. 1 "C." B. 1146. Cemetery: GREENWICH CEMETERY.

Additional Information: Son of Henry and Harriett Mariner, of Waterbridge Cottage, Cranleigh, Surrey. Born at Rudgwick, Sussex.

MARTIN, ERNEST. Rank: Corporal. Service No: 65467. Date of Death: 14/07/1916. Age: 36. Regiment/Service: Royal Army Medical Corps 103rd Field Amb.

Grave Reference: I. I. 7. Cemetery: ALBERT COMMUNAL CEMETERY EXTENSION.

Additional Information: Son of Robert and Emily Martin; husband of Eunice Ruth Martin (nee Barnard), of 32, Dewe Rd., Lewes Rd., Brighton. Born at Rudgwick.

NAPPER, MAURICE EDWARD. Rank: Private. Service No: 1060. Date of Death: 17/03/1916.

Age: 29. Regiment/Service: Royal Sussex Regiment 7th Bn.

Grave Reference: II. A. 14. Cemetery: VERMELLES BRITISH CEMETERY.

Additional Information: Son of Mrs. James Napper, of Tismans Common, Rudgwick, Horsham; husband of Edith Annie Napper, of West Park Cottages, Newchapel, Lingfield, Surrey.

PARKER, REGINALD HASTINGS. Rank: Midshipman. Date of Death: 25/06/1920. Age: 17. Regiment/Service: Royal Navy H.M.S. "Marlborough"

Grave Reference: I. B. 19. Cemetery: HAIDAR PASHA CEMETERY.

Additional Information: Son of Aubrey Hastings Parker and Margaret Alice Parker, of Saxes Plat, Rudgwick, Sussex.

PERYER, CHARLES. Rank: Private. Service No: G/23390. Date of Death: 12/05/1917. Age: 36. Regiment/Service: Middlesex Regiment 11th Bn.

Panel Reference: Bay 7. Memorial: ARRAS MEMORIAL.

Additional Information: Husband of Annie Peryer, of Woodside, Rudgwick, Sussex.

RANCE, ERNEST CHARLES. Rank: Private. Service No: 61861. Date of Death: 09/04/1917.

Age: 35. Regiment/Service: Royal Fusiliers 10th Bn.

Grave Reference: VI. G. 42. Cemetery: FAUBOURG D'AMIENS CEMETERY, ARRAS.

Additional Information: Husband of Mabel Rance, of Bucks Green, Rudgwick, Horsham, Sussex.

SMITH, JOHN McGREGOR. Rank: Private. Service No: L/10436. Date of Death: 31/10/1914.

Age: 19. Regiment/Service: The Queen's (Royal West Surrey Regiment) 1st Bn.

Panel Reference: Panel 11 - 13 and 14. Memorial: YPRES (MENIN GATE) MEMORIAL.

Additional Information: Son of James K. and Annie M. Smith, of "Hill View," Tismans Common, Rudgwick, Horsham, Sussex.

WALLER, EDWIN. Rank: Private. Service No: SR/1340. Date of Death: 28/09/1915. Age: 20. Regiment/Service: Royal Sussex Regiment 3rd Bn.

Grave Reference: IV. B. 10. Cemetery: LILLERS COMMUNAL CEMETERY.

Additional Information: Son of Mark and Fanny Waller, of Ivy Cottage, Rudgwick, Horsham, Sussex.

WOODHATCH, C W. Rank: Private. Service No: TR9/10503. Date of Death: 29/05/1918. Regiment/Service: Bedfordshire Regiment 52nd Bn. Grave Reference: In North-East part. Cemetery: RUDGWICK (HOLY TRINITY) CHURCHYARD. Additional Information: Son of Mr. C. Woodhatch, late of The Laurels, Bucks Green, Rudgwick.

They don't seem to have included this chap, even though he's in the Churchyard...

BRISTO, HORACE JEFFREY. Rank: Gunner. Service No: 886565. Date of Death: 09/08/1940. Regiment/Service: Royal Horse Artillery 1 Regt.

Grave Reference: Cemetery: RUDGWICK (HOLY TRINITY) CHURCHYARD.

As regards Lt William Maxwell Robertson, there is an image of him if you Google his name, it seems to link with his old school as it mentions "1906 House"

Courtesy (I hope!) of Sherborne School Roll of Honour, are these details:

William Maxwell Robertson (1892-1915), born 29 February 1892 at Keston, Kent. Son of John Craigie Robertson and Harriet Susan Robertson of Priors, Keston, Kent.
Attended Mr Mason's preparatory school, Rottingdean. Attended Sherborne School (Abbeylands) January 1906-July 1911; 6th form; Fletcher French prize 1911; 1st XI 1911; Colour Serjeant in the OTC. Attended University College, Oxford.
WW1, Lieutenant in the Lincolnshire Regiment, 2nd Bn. Went to France in August 1914 as 2nd Lieutenant; wounded 26 August 1914; made Lieutenant in December 1914; wounded again on 24 January 1915, when with 2nd Bn. Killed at Bois Grenier, near Armentieres on 28 June 1915.
Commemorated at:
Pont-du-Hem Military Cemetery, La Gorgue, IV. C. 17.
Sherborne School: War Memorial Staircase; Book of Remembrance; Abbeylands Roll of Honour.
His Officers records seem to be available here: WO 339/8796 - Lieutenant William Maxwell ROBERTSON. The Lincolnshire Regiment.
No apparent link to Rudgwick, no doubt you'll be able to enlighten us!
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Hi RPS. Esmeralda has replied and I've asked her to add anything from the 2 Lincs War Diary for you on William Maxwell Robertson.

There also appears to be much more from a personal diary, which might get downloaded for others.

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I know the discussion has moved on, but just to note that the History of the Lincolnshire Regiment is now online: https://archive.org/details/TheHistoryOfTheLincolnshireRegiment1914-1918

John

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Guest bakerr1

Hi yes I hope you can help with a family mystery, and one that would mean a great deal to my elderly father. I believe this may be my Great-grandfather: 16900 Pte William Henry Baker 2nd Battalion Lincs Regt. Can anyone find any record of him? The only place I can find him is the medal rolls; he is not in CWGC or any register of WW1 combatants that I can find.

My Great-Uncle, a different Private William Henry Baker, 7634 2nd Battalion Lincs Regt was killed 25/09/15 at Bois-Grenier, aged 17. He left a battlefield will, which named another Private W Baker in the same Battalion as legatee. Unfortunately the Regimental Number is illegible. Pte W Baker is nominated in addition to 7634 WHBaker's mother, Alice Maud Baker (my great-grandmother). In the register of Soldiers' effects Alice M Baker is named as sole legatee, which I think must mean the other legatee was dead by then.

Family tradition has it that my great-grandfather was killed in WW1. His name was also William Henry Baker; he was born in Camberwell in about 1871 and lived on Neate St which was a lodging house for men working on the Surrey Canal. He would therefore have been at least 44 when he died, but may well have lied about his age (as 7634 WHBaker must have done). I think this must be 16900 Pte William Henry Baker; I believe he enlisted together with his son.

My grandfather was killed in WW2 (Cpl Edward Baker, RE, 10 Bomb Disposal Coy, May 1941, disposing of a bomb in Bootle). Because my father was orphaned in the war and the family home was annihilated by bombs and V1s and V2s in 1940-44 we have no records or relatives. However my father is now 87 and I would like to obtain all all the medals he is entitled to wear on behalf of his family for Remembrance Sunday 2015, which will be the 75th Anniversary of the beginning of the Bomb Disposal section of the Royal Engineers

Thanks in advance for any help or suggestions

Robert Baker

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Hi, Robert

Can I suggest that you start a new thread of your own in either the "Soldiers" or "Units" sub forums?

If you include the Name and Unit in the title, those Pals on here who specialise in them will find it easier to help you.

To recap what you say, there are TWO William Henry Baker's in your family, both of whom died in WW1.

One was your great uncle, W H Baker 7634 2nd Lincs killed 25/09/1915 naming another W Baker (also 2nd Bn Lincs) and his mother in his Will, yet the Soldiers Effects shows only his mother, making it probable that by then the other W Baker had also died.

You believe (hope?) that this other (great grandfather) William Henry Baker born about 1871 and living at Neate St, Camberwell is 16900 W Baker, so what we need to do for you is provide the proof that they are the men in your family.

As to the second part, of claiming their medals, I think others may be able to comment in more detail.

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Many thanks to Old Sweats for his comprehensive list of CWGC Rudgwick deaths. Checking through, I find there are five we have missed, so that makes it all worth while.

As for Bristo in the churchyard, he is 1940, so wrong war, I'm afraid.

Re my original interest in Lt William Maxwell Robertson, his great neice lives in the village. we are attempting with some success to research lots of contemporary residents' relatives, to produce a community publication by 1918 which spans the serving men and war dead, and life in the village 100 years ago, with ther modern population's relatives. Does that make sense?

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Just giving a "heads up" about a new book recently published about the 1/5th Lincolnshire Battn

Entitled "The 1/5th Battalion, Lincolnshire Regiment in the Great War" authors..... Chris Bailey and Steve Bramley.

A thoroughly well researched description of the Battalions participation in the War, with lots of personal memories and letters from those that took part, and descriptions of the actions in which the 1/5ths were involved.

It includes the harrowing battle for the Hohenzollern redoubt and the attack on Gommecourt at the start of the battle of the Somme.

If anyone wants to know what the battalion did in WW1 there are 400 pages that will tell you everything you need to know.

For those interested here's a link to the facebook page...

https://www.facebook.com/FifthLincs?fref=nf

regards

Tom

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The information I have has been posted here. Any new information found comes from the expertise of the other people on this forum of which I am not and to whom I am very thankful. Thank you once again for all information here. I have moved on to finding out about my parental grandfather who served in the second world war on the IWM WW2 talk .

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Hi Everyone, Researching my family history my Great Great Uncle died in Egypt 10th December 1915 age 36 leaving a widow and 3 x small children, his grave is in Port Said next to the Suez Canal Egypt (obtained Photos from the War Graves Photographic Project), no doubt the poor cotton mill workers never got to visit the burial site.

My uncle was Lance Corporal Albert Leach #19409 1st Garrison Battalion Lincolnshire regiment at the time of his Death (Killed by wounds), he has also a previous record for the Nottinghamshire and Derbyshire Regiment as a private #6422, Albert was from Glossop and allegedly returned and  signed up in Glossop Derbyshire 1914 (Notts and Derby I assume). To date I have seen his Medal card and his war pension possessions card (if that what its called).

The ask of this forum please is 1. how can i get a view of his full service record (lots of sites saying they can provide but want an upfront £25, don't mind paying but don't trust it will give me more than i have, any guidance here appreciated) 2. why would a soldier switch regiments within a year of signing up? 3.the B.E.F of the Lincolnshire regiment is documented as going to India not Egypt, however i have seen an extract that some may have gone to Malta and then on to Egypt, would they have been at Gallipoli or just sent direct to Egypt to guard the Suez Canal? 4. Died of wounds, i haven't seen any details of battles near Port Said, would this be an accident type of thing or how could i delve further in to how he got those wounds?

 

Any assistance is greatly appreciated, and excuse any ignorance i am new to this type of stuff, although thoroughly enjoying the chase.

In Remembrance of Leach - Copy.pdf

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Hello Nigel and welcome to the forum

 

Your first port of call should be the Long Long Trail (LLT) link top left where you will find information on researching a soldier, the Lincolnshire Regiment etc.

 

There are many records on line on the Family History sites, these are usually free to view at your local library or each offer a free trial.

 

Most WW1 soldiers service records were destroyed during the Blitz, as explained on the LLT.  Pte Leach service record does not appear to have survived.

 

Soldiers Died in the Great War shows he "Died" this usually means a non combat related death due to accident or illness.  If he did die from wounds this is normally shown.

 

The Garrison Battalions were formed from men who were unfit for front line duty and as the name suggests were engaged in guarding key installations at home or abroad.  He was posted to the Battalion with a number of other men from the Notts and Derby Regiment.  His medal roll shows 2nd Battalion and he landed in France with that Battalion on the 14th September 1914.  I suspect he was wounded while serving with the BEF.

 

Ken

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Hi I am going to Ypres in March and would like to find out if poss what happened to my great grandad who was in the 6th battalion lincs regiment the only info I have is he was Kia on 21/08/1917 his name was stephen Robinson I would like to visit the area they were fighting in on that day if poss I have an idea it was in the st julienne area but can’t be sure Thankyou in advance 

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15 hours ago, Mark george robinson said:

Hi I am going to Ypres in March and would like to find out if poss what happened to my great grandad who was in the 6th battalion lincs regiment the only info I have is he was Kia on 21/08/1917 his name was stephen Robinson I would like to visit the area they were fighting in on that day if poss I have an idea it was in the st julienne area but can’t be sure Thankyou in advance 

 

Welcome to the forum.

The war diary of the 6th Battalion has a detailed Operation Order and after action account of the attack on the 21st August.

If you have access to Ancestry it is here, or can be downloaded from TNA 

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C7352624

Essentially the operation was to consolidate the British line in the vicinity of Bulow Farm.  The execution was a dogged by misfortune.  Although there were a number of casualties one British 18 pounder shell landed on a post killing ‘a corporal and two men’ wounding an officer and others. That said there were 19 other ranks killed that day with 63 wounded and two missing.

 

The diary records a ‘Poelcappelle Special Map’ The nearest I can find is 28 NW2 See National Library of Scotland which allows you to overlay a Google map on the Trench Map Battalion HQ was at Cockcroft and the objective was Bulow Farm as ever this is on the join of a map sheet but top right hand corner Square C 8 1: 200000

https://maps.nls.uk/view/101464897

or https://maps.nls.uk/view/101464639 scale 1:100000 (favoured by infantry) just to the left of the ‘C’ at the top of the map.

 

There is further information on how to read a trench map on the Long Long Trail link top left.

 

L/Cpl 25417 Stephen Robinson has no known grave and is commemorated on the Tyne Cot Memorial which obviously is a must for your visit.  Based on surviving records he was mobilised  in June 1916, and posted to the Lincolnshire Regiment on or around the 16th June 1916.  One anomaly is the Medal Rolls show 1st Battalion.  His medal entitlement was the Victory Medal and British War Medal which confirms he did not enter a theatre of war before 1st January 1916.  Training was twelve weeks so probably earliest he joined BEF was October 1916.

 

You can download routes around the battlefield these days.  

 

Ken

 

 

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10 hours ago, kenf48 said:

Battalion HQ was at Cockcroft and the objective was Bulow Farm

 

Hi Mark and welcome to the forum.  Here is a view from The Cockroft to Bulow Farm, a distance of around 330 metres.

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Images courtesy of tMapper Preview and National Library of Scotland

 

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33 minutes ago, WhiteStarLine said:

Here is a view from The Cockroft to Bulow Farm, a distance of around 330 metres.

 

I knew you would rescue me :thumbsup:

 

I found the account of the tanks (DRACULA and DEVIL) in the op report especially tragic, the track where they were halted is clearly seen on your enlarged map.  Interesting the war diary for September shows they 'practised the new style of attack', this minor action was part of the 'learning curve'.

 

Ken

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On 27/02/2015 at 11:53, johntaylor said:

just to note that the History of the Lincolnshire Regiment is now online: https://archive.org/details/TheHistoryOfTheLincolnshireRegiment1914-1918

 

The action is recorded on pp.261 - 262 of the Regimental History.  Given your interest there is, unfortunately no mention of the tanks who probably deserve their own thread.  

The history describes the front as 'snake-like' and unsuitable for an attack in 'waves' hence the perceived demand to 'consolidate the line' or straighten it out.

 

Ken

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