RAMC Database

[aboode]

I am compiling a list of Pipe Majors of military Pipes & Drums worldwide.

At the moment I have the following names of P/Ms in the RAMC during WW1:

No unit known:

- Currie, Malcolm McLean - born 1865 Kilchoman - died 1940 Glasgow

- Phillips, William Edward

1st Highland Field Ambulance:

- Gilbert, John Davidson - till 1915 - born 1876 - died 1953 Aberdeen

3rd Highland Field Ambulance:

- Stewart, Donald - born 1888 Dundee

89th Field Ambulance:

- Gilbert, John Davidson - from 1915 - see above

Does anyone have more information about these and other Pipe Majors in the RAMC - not necessarily during WW1 - also when (year from-to) they served as P/M?

Thanks.

Aad

[Phil Wood]

As ever when coming across a database like this I look up lads from West Berkshire.

No Entry for Frank Whitehorn?

No picture of Sydney Tubb's grave so here is one, and some more information about the man:

Newbury Weekly News: 17 Feb 1916, p8 "Local War Notes"

The roll of those connected with Hungerford who have sacrificed themselves for their country, is increased by the news that Private Sydney Tubb, Royal Army Medical Corps, was killed in action in France on December 31st. The deceased, who was 37 years of age and leaves a widow and two children, was the youngest son of Mrs J Tubb, of Park-street, Hungerford. For some years he had been an auxiliary postman between Inkpen and Hungerford.

[BJanman]

Hi Phil

If you are referring to 6831 Pte Frank Whitehorn then he is on my Access database as entering the war in France on 12th August 1914, attached to the 1st Bn. South Wales Borderers.

I have literally thousands of men on my Access database which are not on the on-line database as yet because I want to concentrate on getting the men who died on first - before the 100th anniversary of their death..... and even then I am starting to fail miserably. Keep getting sidetracked.

Thank you for the photograph of Sydney Tubb's headstone and the additional info. I will add them and credit to you.

Regards

Barbara

[BJanman]

Mate,

This may be hard to confirm but I have a number of British Doctors attached to AIF units in Palestine.

Some I found by their MIC but I am still not sure on all, can they be confirmed?

Cheers

S.B

Hi Steve

I'm sure it is me but I don't fully understand your question. Are you asking if it can be confirmed that the doctors were British or that they were serving with the RAMC? Or have I misunderstood completely?

Sorry

Barbara

[Glengarry1950]

Hi Barbra,

Many thanks for you time and help in this matter, I apologies for confusing the issue by posting twice, but I only meant to list this bit to ensure or check if you had him on your RAMC data base. I am not sure if the mod's can merge the, just had a thought that is idiotic, as this thread is a data base to RAMC. Therefore, I will edit my post and take out the question element from it, to save all the confusion as Chris quite rightly pointed out.

With kind regards

Hiram

[Phil Wood]

My mistake - I should have put Frederick Whitehorn (never rely on memory).

Here is his grave:

[Phil Wood]

Two more you haven't got to yet:

Charles Hunt

William Simmons

[BJanman]

My mistake - I should have put Frederick Whitehorn (never rely on memory).

Ah, he died in 1946 so he wouldn't appear on my database anyway.

All RAMC casualties (KIA, DOW or died) during the Great War are already on my on-line database but they are not all activated yet. I am cross-referencing with MICs and service records etc before I activate them. I was hoping to cross-reference with the war diaries as well but I left it a bit late for that. When I get a change to look at the war diaries or unit histories then I am going back and adding any additional information then.

Thanks for the additional photographs. No worries about the one from Tyne Cot. I go there every year and haven't managed to get one good photo of the RAMC panel. It always looks faded, or there is bad light or it is raining. One day hopefully!

Regards

Barbara

Hi Barbra,

Many thanks for you time and help in this matter, I apologies for confusing the issue by posting twice, but I only meant to list this bit to ensure or check if you had him on your RAMC data base. I am not sure if the mod's can merge the, just had a thought that is idiotic, as this thread is a data base to RAMC. Therefore, I will edit my post and take out the question element from it, to save all the confusion as Chris quite rightly pointed out.

With kind regards

Hiram

No worries Hiram

I didn't really spend much time on it, just checked my database. Thanks for thinking of my project.

Regards

Barbara

[The Inspector]

Hi Barbara

When you are working on Pte.385 E.W.Bradley/Ernest Norman Bradley he has 2 MICS.I have his 14/15 Star which is incorrectly engraved, wrong middle initial. Later 403232 RAMC MM.D of W 28.4.18

Regards Barry.

[Guest]

Mate,

Sorry,

Yes to confirm those I have not so far confirmed, and any bio details on those I have.

IE; BELLAS JS Dr Capt British Army RAMC att RMO HQ 67 Sqn (1 Sqn) AFC att 5 Wing RFC (not identified)

can he be identified under that name, as that is what he is called in AIF records?

IE; GREEN Claude Dr Capt British Army RAMC att RMO 2 LH Sig Sqn

What other RAMC units did he come from and where did he go to?

Hope that helps

Cheers

S.B

[BJanman]

Hi Barbara

When you are working on Pte.385 E.W.Bradley/Ernest Norman Bradley he has 2 MICS.I have his 14/15 Star which is incorrectly engraved, wrong middle initial. Later 403232 RAMC MM.D of W 28.4.18

Regards Barry.

Ok. Thanks Barry.

Barbara

[BJanman]

Ok Steve. This is what I can add:-

ANDERSON George Grantham Dr Capt British Army RAMC to Maj 51 BGH F&B buried Etaples Military Cemetery France (CMF) Australian in UK on medical studies when war started joined the British Army

- Born in Melbourne. Took a temporary commission in the R.A.M.C. as lieutenant on 16th August 1914. Promoted to Captain after a years service and Major shortly before he died.

BATES M Dr T/Capt British Army RAMC to RMO 67 Sqn (1 Sqn) AFC

- BATES Mark - qualified M.B., Ch.B. 1908; F.R.C.S. 1913 at University Oxford and St Bart. Was a Surgeon Specialist in the war serving at a General Hospital and CCS E.E.F. OBE 3/6/1919

BELLAS JS Dr Capt British Army RAMC att RMO HQ 67 Sqn (1 Sqn) AFC att 5 Wing RFC (not identified)

- Bellas Jas Stuart - qualified M.B., Ch.B., B.O.A. in Belfast in 1912. Took up a temporary commission in the RAMC

CAPON Norman Brandon Dr Capt British Army RAMC att ACFA

- Qualified M.B., Ch.B. in 1916 at Liverpool University.

COLLIER Willliam Tregonwell Dr Capt British Army RMO 2Bn ICC MC MID WIA 19-4-17 WIA 27-11-17 back shrapnel Ex RAMC to 15 GH to 88 GH

- Matriated Oxford - Balliol College 1908. Qualified M.R.C.S., L.R.C.P. 1914. M.B., B.Ch. in 1919. Joined RAMC 10th Feb 1915. Served Egypt, Palestine and Hedjaz. Awarded MC 1st January 1918

DeBOAR Henry Speldewinde Dr Capt British Army RAMC RMO 1Bn Royal Dublin Fusiliers (G) to RMO HQ/1Bn ICC 12-16 to ACFA to 5 LHFA 7-18 later Director of Medical Service Uganda CMG MC MRCS

- Not much to add really, other than he was awarded MC 1/1/1918 and MiD 12/1/1918. Relinquished his commission on 16th January 19120

GREEN Claude Dr Capt British Army RAMC att RMO 2 LH Sig Sqn

- No trace

LINTON RF Dr Capt British Army RAMC to RMO RHQ/14 LHR AKA Lindon

- Linton Robert Fenwick - qualified M.B., Ch.B. at St Andrews, Scotland. Same address in Medical register as that noted on his MIC.

McDOO N/R Dr Capt British Army to ICC RMO (not identified)

- No trace

I don't have much recorded on their war service unfortunately. It looks as if they may have joined the RAMC later in the war but I am looking in-depth at sources put together in 1914 - 1915. I might come across their names further into my research.

Anyway the above identifies some of the ones you were unable to trace so I hope it helps.

Regards

Barbara

[Guest]

Mate,

Thanks yes.

I also hope these names can be added to your lists to record them.

Just to add

COLLIER Willliam Tregonwell

is recorded by ICC sources as being an Australian in British service possibly like Anderson.

Cheers

S.B

[BJanman]

Great, thanks.

I will set up profiles for them on the on-line database asap.

Thanks

Barbara

[Drommers]

I wonder if anyone on here can help with this query? I am trying to find some information about the RAMC service of my grandfather. I have obtained his WW1 and WW2 service record by writing off to Glasgow, but I would like to know, if possible, what unit he served with in WW1, and some more details of his service in WW2. I have done a fair amount of research, but the dates don't seem to tally exactly with any exact unit's entrance into theatre.

Name: 60724 John William Pendrey

D.O.B. 23.4.1892

Attested: 28^th June 1915 Whitley Bay

Joined at Aldershot: 30.6.15

Entered theatre 3/Egypt 5.7.1915

From Service record:

Home: 28.6.1915 to 20.8.15

ER E.E.F: 21.8.15 to 3.9.15

E.E.F. 4.9.15 to 15.4.16

ER India: 16.4.16 to 6.5.16

India: 7.5.16 to 18.9.18

ER M.E.F. 19.9.18 to 25.9.18

M.E.F. 26.9.18 to 27.4.19

ER India 28.4.19 to 1.5.19

Indian E.F. 2.5.19 to 21.8.19

EnR UK 22.8.19 to 22.9.19

Home 23.9.19 to 20.10.19

Although he was attested at Whitley Bay, he was from the London/Essex area. I wondered whether he had been in either the 39^th 40^th or 41^st Field Ambulance; they seem to be the only ones who didn’t see action in Europe. However, I don’t know he was in a Field Ambulance, I only know that he served in the 10^th Field Ambulance in WW2. Army no. 7354902

I would be very grateful for any help. Thanks.

[JWK]

Thanks for the additional photographs. No worries about the one from Tyne Cot. I go there every year and haven't managed to get one good photo of the RAMC panel. It always looks faded, or there is bad light or it is raining. One day hopefully!

Regards

Barbara

Maybe this Flickr-photostream can help you out:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/54229384@N04/sets/72157635154790442/

Photos of 164 panels on Tyne Cot.

JW

[alan jones]

Hello , I was wondering if any of you RAMC experts might have something on this man ? I guess he started off in RFA and later joined a Hospital Coy ? I thought it might be interesting , sorry this is all I have on this man .

Regards

Alan

[BJanman]

Maybe this Flickr-photostream can help you out:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/54229384@N04/sets/72157635154790442/

Photos of 164 panels on Tyne Cot.

JW

Hi

I had a look at the RAMC panel (No 160) and see there is no improvement. Get to the bottom of the panel and you can hardly read the names. Pretty poor show for the CWGC when you see how clear most of the other panels are....

Thanks for sharing though.

Barbara

[BJanman]

I wonder if anyone on here can help with this query? I am trying to find some information about the RAMC service of my grandfather. I have obtained his WW1 and WW2 service record by writing off to Glasgow, but I would like to know, if possible, what unit he served with in WW1, and some more details of his service in WW2. I have done a fair amount of research, but the dates don't seem to tally exactly with any exact unit's entrance into theatre.

Name: 60724 John William Pendrey

D.O.B. 23.4.1892

Attested: 28^th June 1915 Whitley Bay

Joined at Aldershot: 30.6.15

Entered theatre 3/Egypt 5.7.1915

From Service record:

Home: 28.6.1915 to 20.8.15

ER E.E.F: 21.8.15 to 3.9.15

E.E.F. 4.9.15 to 15.4.16

ER India: 16.4.16 to 6.5.16

India: 7.5.16 to 18.9.18

ER M.E.F. 19.9.18 to 25.9.18

M.E.F. 26.9.18 to 27.4.19

ER India 28.4.19 to 1.5.19

Indian E.F. 2.5.19 to 21.8.19

EnR UK 22.8.19 to 22.9.19

Home 23.9.19 to 20.10.19

Although he was attested at Whitley Bay, he was from the London/Essex area. I wondered whether he had been in either the 39^th 40^th or 41^st Field Ambulance; they seem to be the only ones who didn’t see action in Europe. However, I don’t know he was in a Field Ambulance, I only know that he served in the 10^th Field Ambulance in WW2. Army no. 7354902

I would be very grateful for any help. Thanks.

Hi

Unless part of his service record is missing, or damaged, then it should tell you what unit(s) he served with. It should be recorded on the 'Casualty Form - Active Service' part of the service record.

Barbara

[Drommers]

Thanks very much for your prompt reply. Unfortunately, the 'Casualty Form - Active Service' wasn't included with the other information that I was given from the MOD. I have three pages in total from WW1:

Army Form B 2505 'Short Service.'

Statement of the Services form' which doesn't have his unit on it

and lastly, this form (attached) from which I have gleaned all the information I posted earlier.

[BJanman]

and lastly, this form (attached) from which I have gleaned all the information I posted earlier.

Ok, thanks for attaching the above form.

The ER appears to mean the dates he was en-route - first en-route to join the Egyptian Expeditionary Force, then en-route to India, then en-route to join the Mediterranean Expeditionary Force, then en-route back to India, and lastly to the UK.

I wonder if he became attached to the Indian Medical Services, or maybe he served with a Combined Field Ambulance.... I will see if I can match any of the dates on the form with information I have, and will come back to you. I won't be able to check until tomorrow now though.

Regards

Barbara

[BJanman]

Hi

I had a look at my Access database for dates of entry for 5/7/1915, and found nearly everyone serving with the 39th Field Ambulance entered the war in Egypt on that date. Most who served with the 40th Field Ambulance arrived on 11/7/1915 but that was into the Balkans. Those serving with the 41st Field Ambulance also arrived in the Balkans on the 11th, although I have one recorded as arriving on the 5th in Egypt.

I looked at dates of entry on 4/9/1915 into Egypt but there wasn’t any. I have two recorded as entering the Balkans on that date - they both served with 64th (2/3rd West Lancs) Field Ambulance, however this unit went to France - so they could have been sent to the Balkans as reinforcements.

The only medical units I found with links to both Egypt and India is 16th and 17th Stationary Hospitals, No 44 General Hospital and 16 Casualty Clearing Station but none of the dates corresponded with the dates on the service record.

The possibilities therefore is that he arrived in Egypt as a reinforcement - in which case he could have gone to any medical unit serving out there. He went over with the 39th or 41st Field Ambulance and transferred to a different medical unit or units when he went to India. Or he was attached to a regiment as part of the RMO’s team or maybe part of the ADMS’s team etc.

Not a lot of help really..... He spent most of his service in India, so some in-depth research into the medical units stationed in India might help. Maybe worth starting a thread in the ‘Away from the Western Front’ section, if you haven’t already.

Regards

Barbara

[Drommers]

That's very helpful indeed thank you. At least I have somewhere to start, and I am actually a lot further forward. I will start a thread on the other section as well.

[sotonmate]

Barbara

 

I have to confess that I haven't seen this thread before and haven't read all 20 pages yet, so I won't know if you give any access to your database. I am in early stages of  looking around for more info on a RAMC soldier without managing to find his unit, which for me is not a surprise, knowing the paucity of individual info now available.

I won't (yet) be boring you with the little info I have and might do that once I have taken all the dark alleys of info-seek.

What has occurred to me as I see some of your pages and the ways of collecting info is the number of RAMC staff I have seen mentioned by name and number/rank within the War Diaries of the Casualty Clearing Stations. You may or may not have already tapped this source, but if not it's a fruitful area.

[andrew pugh]

Hi BJanman

How about Private Frederick Thomas Humphries R A M C who was attached to the 2nd Ox & Bucks, 5th Infantry Brigade, 2nd Division who was killed 24/03/1918. I have just submitted a case to the authorities for identification of this man.

Regards Andy