rhaylor Posted 5 September , 2007 Share Posted 5 September , 2007 I have been meaning to say that anyone seeking a death certificate reference for a soldier killed in action, I would be pleased to look for it on Find my Past. Regards hi, ryegate do you mind if you could check out these 2 for me? frank altoft,died, 28 / 12 / 1915. buried,malta. border reg, 20218. william haylor, private, m2/ 031897 army service corps. thank you very much. rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linden Posted 5 September , 2007 Share Posted 5 September , 2007 Hi Linden Of course! Details are: Name: Sharp, Bernard Regiment: King's (Liverpool Regiment) Battalion: Labour Companies Birthplace: Bloxwich, Staffs Enlisted: Manchester Residence: Moss Side, Manchester Rank: Private Number: 63100 Date died: 14 March 1917 How died: Died Theatre of War: France & Flanders Death cert ref: 1917 I.20 461 In remembrance Thank you so much , Ryegate . Have you seen many certificates with "How Died : Died " ? We've felt for a while that there was something strange about Bernard's death . Does this entry suggest anything dire and dastardly ? Regards, Linden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Hartley Posted 5 September , 2007 Share Posted 5 September , 2007 Does this entry suggest anything dire and dastardly ? No. It would normally suggest a death from natural causes. The cemetery where he is buried was one used by field hospitals. So, it would perhaps be more likely to think that he was taken ill and just died rather than anything untoward. "Died" would also include a range of other causes - accident, drowning, murder, suicide - almost anything that was not combat related. But for men in the Labour battalions simpy, keeling over was a very common cause of death - they were often those battalions because they were not fit enough for combat. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diane Alden Posted 5 September , 2007 Share Posted 5 September , 2007 Have you seen many certificates with "How Died : Died " ? We've felt for a while that there was something strange about Bernard's death . Does this entry suggest anything dire and dastardly ? Regards, Linden Hi Linden The same appeared on the record that Ryegate kindly looked up for me concerning my Gt Aunt's first husband Absolom Snowley. He was in the Police Force and it has been confirmed by his service records that Norfolk Police sent me that he was killed in action. His police service record quotes ' Killed in Active Service. Death presumed by Army Council to have taken place on 14.9.1914 or since' They have also kindly provided me with a photograph of the 1914-1919 War memorial in the Norfolk Police headquarters which lists him. Diane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Hartley Posted 5 September , 2007 Share Posted 5 September , 2007 Diane You put your finger on one of the major research problems - that being that no set of records is entirely accurate and can be relied on (certainly neither SDGW or CWGC). You have to test the information against other sources. Certainly if I had seen "died" against Absolom Snowley, it would have flashed all sorts of warning lights - here was a regular soldier (or reservist) who died on the first day of a major battle in which his unit was involved and has no known grave. Doesnt seem at likely that he would have died of natural causes. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyhound Posted 5 September , 2007 Share Posted 5 September , 2007 One of the men on our War Memorial died in hospital in the UK. SDGW and his MIC state “died”, while the local newspaper reports him of having “died of his wounds”. (The press wouldn’t necessarily understand the military use of these terms, of course.) My research suggests that he may have died of complications from trench foot, and having seen some graphic photos of severe trench foot, I can understand why this may have been interpreted as “wounds”. But it wouldn't meet the Army's definition of DOW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryegate Posted 5 September , 2007 Author Share Posted 5 September , 2007 Rob I am a bit confused about the name of William Haylor as I had already looked this up for you under a different regiment number. However, I have had another look. There is only one William (the one I gave you), so I searched just on the surname as it is unusual and a few came up, none of which has the regiment number you gave and none from the army service corps. I have Frank Altoft for you. Details are: Name: Altoft, Frank Regiment: Border Regiment Battalion: 6th Battalion Birthplace: Moston, Lancs Enlisted: Manchester Residence: Miles Platting, Manchester Rank: Private Number: 20218 Date died: 28 December 1915 How died: Died of Wounds Theatre of War: Malta Death cert ref: 1915 I.10 200 In remembrance Can you confirm it is William Haylor you meant to put please? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhaylor Posted 8 September , 2007 Share Posted 8 September , 2007 Rob I am a bit confused about the name of William Haylor as I had already looked this up for you under a different regiment number. However, I have had another look. There is only one William (the one I gave you), so I searched just on the surname as it is unusual and a few came up, none of which has the regiment number you gave and none from the army service corps. I have Frank Altoft for you. Details are: Name: Altoft, Frank Regiment: Border Regiment Battalion: 6th Battalion Birthplace: Moston, Lancs Enlisted: Manchester Residence: Miles Platting, Manchester Rank: Private Number: 20218 Date died: 28 December 1915 How died: Died of Wounds Theatre of War: Malta Death cert ref: 1915 I.10 200 In remembrance Can you confirm it is William Haylor you meant to put please? Thanks good morning,ryegate. thanks for the info on frank altfoft. im sorry i gave you the wrong name; should have been, wc haylor died;25/12/1915 20628 thanks,rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olegoofy Posted 9 September , 2007 Share Posted 9 September , 2007 Good Morning Ryegate (at least it's morning now in the US). I wonder if I could impose upon you to look up my Great-Uncle to see if there is a Death Certificate Reference for him. Here are the details: Name: Craig, James Initial: J Nationality: United Kingdom Rank: Private Regiment: Royal Scots Fusiliers Unit Text: 2nd Bn. Date of Death: 23/10/1914 Service No: 9433 Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 19 and 33 Memorial: Ypres (Menin Gate) Memorial Thanks so much, Bruce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryegate Posted 9 September , 2007 Author Share Posted 9 September , 2007 Bruce PM sent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olegoofy Posted 9 September , 2007 Share Posted 9 September , 2007 Bruce PM sent Ryegate, Thank you very much. Bruce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Johnson Posted 9 September , 2007 Share Posted 9 September , 2007 I received Stanley West's death certificate. He died of tuberculosis, and he was in a sanatorium, which explains why he wasn't in London. He apparently was invalided from the 2nd West Surreys in June 1915, which meant a very short war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryegate Posted 10 September , 2007 Author Share Posted 10 September , 2007 Thanks for letting me know Michael. At least you now know what he died of although not very pleasant. Regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coath Posted 10 September , 2007 Share Posted 10 September , 2007 hello ryegate would you mind looking for a death cert reference for the following howell whytehead Williams 290467 died 17 july 1917 basra war cemetery thanks kas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryegate Posted 10 September , 2007 Author Share Posted 10 September , 2007 Hello Kas Details are: Name: Williams, Howell Whytehead Regiment: Duke of Cambridge's Own (Middlesex Regiment) Battalion: 1/10th (T.F.) Battalion Birthplace: Birkenhead, Lancs Enlisted: Stamford Brook, Middlesex Residence: Chiswick, Middlesex Rank: L/CPL Number: T.F.290467 Date Died: 17 July 1917 How died: Died Theatre of War: Mesopotamia Death cert ref: 1917 I.70 372 Regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Johnson Posted 10 September , 2007 Share Posted 10 September , 2007 At least you now know what he died of although not very pleasant. Remains the mystery of why Elsie would marry someone who was already ill. Also, interestingly enough, he is shown as a "tutor". Elsie was born in 1896 - Stanley was about eight years older. I can't see it as being an acceptable match from the family's point of view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shellyj Posted 10 September , 2007 Share Posted 10 September , 2007 Hi Rygate If you are still willing to look can you check on this guy for me? Casualty_Details.doc Thanks alot Shellyj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coath Posted 10 September , 2007 Share Posted 10 September , 2007 hi ryegate thanks for that cheers kas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttd0 Posted 10 September , 2007 Share Posted 10 September , 2007 Hi Any chance of a look up for 7972 Pte Herbert Wiltshire Born 1888, Bulkington, nr Devises Died 8th July 1916 serving with 2nd Bn Wiltshire Regt Buried Bernafay Wood cemetary Many Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amb Posted 10 September , 2007 Share Posted 10 September , 2007 I have just noticed your message and would be grateful if you could look for this death reference : ALINGTON, Gervase Winford Stovin, Corporal, 766852, died 9/11/1918 aged 26 Many thanks AMB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amb Posted 10 September , 2007 Share Posted 10 September , 2007 Sorry - it occurred to me that I'd also be interested to find the death cert of : BOVINGDON, Pte Thomas Pincome 766504. The Artists Rifles Roll of Honour mentions him twice with dates of death of both 9th and 11th Nov. 1918, but I haven't found him on CWGC or SDGW or British War Memorial Project. Since asking about him on this site recently I realise he's not who I'm looking for, but I'd like to check him out and if necessary try and have his details added to these other sites. Thanks - I hope it's not too much trouble to ask for him too. AMB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carol cooper Posted 11 September , 2007 Share Posted 11 September , 2007 I have been meaning to say that anyone seeking a death certificate reference for a soldier killed in action, I would be pleased to look for it on Find my Past. Regards Would you please look to see if there is any further informaton on my great uncle, Private Arthur Gathercole. 34083, 6th Labour Coy. Lincolnshire Regt;Transfer. to [26580] 45th Coy; Lincolnshire Regiment Labout Corps Died on Tuesday 21st of August 1917. This information was taken from the WGC site but I wondered if there woud be any further information anywhere about him. He is buried at Brandhoek New Military cemetery No 3 Thanks, Carol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomaskyle Posted 12 September , 2007 Share Posted 12 September , 2007 I have been meaning to say that anyone seeking a death certificate reference for a soldier killed in action, I would be pleased to look for it on Find my Past. Regards Hi Ian, Looking for reference so can order certificate for :- Edward Reigate of the Queens (Royal West Surrey Regiment) 1st Battalion, died aged 19 on 24/08/1916 Service no G/6294 Next of kin Mr & Mrs William Reigate Casualty type : Commmonwealth war dead At Thiepval Memorial Thankyou would appreciate you can find for me. Privatemouse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carol cooper Posted 13 September , 2007 Share Posted 13 September , 2007 Can you please tell me what is the 'death certificate reference ' that you refer to, that can be found on Find My past? Is it the same reference that can be found on fiche in my local archives under War Dead? Would there be a certificate for someone whose body was never found but is on the Thiepval memorial? Carol Cooper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaky Posted 14 September , 2007 Share Posted 14 September , 2007 I have been meaning to say that anyone seeking a death certificate reference for a soldier killed in action, I would be pleased to look for it on Find my Past. Regards Hi. Do you have anything on Lance Corporal Jeffrey Richard Shakespeare, R239 Kings Royal Rifle Corps please? shaky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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