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Hello, I'm looking for any informayion and hopefully a photo on HMS Avenger, I had a relative on board. I think she sank some time in 1917. Any info at all would be appretiated, e.g. crew size, how many survived, what happened etc.

Thanks in advance

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Hello, I'm looking for any informayion and hopefully a photo on HMS Avenger, I had a relative on board. I think she sank some time in 1917. Any info at all would be appretiated, e.g. crew size, how many survived, what happened etc.

Thanks in advance

Hello 'Paynie' Welcome to the Forum.

I'm sure the resident Ships and Navies specialists will respond with more but to start with this is from Dictionary of Disasters at Sea:

AVENGER

Union Steamship Co. of New Zealand; 1915; Fair field Co.;

14,744 tons; 548x68-2x34; 20 knots; turbine engines.

This ship was built for the Union Steamship Co. of New Zealand as

the Aotea-Roa, but on her completion in 1915 she was taken over by

the Admiralty for service as an auxiliary cruiser. Her name was

changed to Avenger and she was placed in the 9th Cruiser Squadron.

On the night of June 13th/14th, 1917, the Avenger was in the

North Atlantic when she was torpedoed by a German submarine.

One man was killed by the explosion, but with this exception all the

crew were taken off in safety.

The ship, which had a speed of 20 knots, would have been one of

the fastest employed in Australian waters. She was designed with a

view to service on the Australian-Canadian route.

Cheers Terry

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Hello, I'm looking for any informayion and hopefully a photo on HMS Avenger, I had a relative on board. I think she sank some time in 1917. Any info at all would be appretiated, e.g. crew size, how many survived, what happened etc.

Thanks in advance

She was an armed merchant cruiser [ex-Aotearora, Union Steamship Company of New Zealand] of 15000 tons commissioned in 14/12/1915.

Armament was 8x6inch guns & 2x3pounder guns, speed was 18 knots.

Torpedoed & sunk by U.69 in the North Atlantic 14/6/1917, casualties 1.

Avenger was part of the 10th Cruiser Squadron comprised of AMCs enforcing the blockade against Germany, with bases in the Orkneys & Shetlands.

I don`t have exact crew numbers for Avenger but Arlanza which was also in the 10th Cr.Sqdn. & was about the same size had a complement of 39 officers & 220 men.

Hope this helps you.

David [ARABIS].

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/\ Thankyou, most interesting, would there be any site, or place where I might get bearings of where she sank and a picture?

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/\ Thankyou, most interesting, would there be any site, or place where I might get bearings of where she sank and a picture?

61.03N, 03.57E. (west of Shetlands).

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/\ Thankyou, most interesting, would there be any site, or place where I might get bearings of where she sank and a picture?

Hello Paynie

H.M.S Avenger: Employed as a Armed Merchant Cruiser. Sunk by German submarine U69.

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Regards John

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Hello paynie, welcome aboard.

On 14th June 1917 the Armed Merchant Cruiser HMS Avenger, built 1916, 13,441 grt, was torpedoed and sunk in 60.22N, 04.35W by German U-boat U 69, W from Shetland Islands, Scotland, Atlantic Ocean. 1 crew member died

His Admiralty death record:

KERR, DAVID, TRIMMER, Mercantile Marine Reserve, A 53753, AVENGER, H.M. Armed merchant cruiser (hired), 14-Jun-17, SHIP LOSS.

Best wishes

David

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I have a scan of U 69's KTB describing her attack on Avenger. Can e-mail it along if anyone is interested.

Best wishes,

Michael

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I have a scan of U 69's KTB describing her attack on Avenger. Can e-mail it along if anyone is interested.

Would love that thank you

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Hello, I'm looking for any informayion and hopefully a photo on HMS Avenger, I had a relative on board. I think she sank some time in 1917. Any info at all would be appretiated, e.g. crew size, how many survived, what happened etc.

Thanks in advance

Hello Paynie, I have a photo of HMS Avenger sinking and the crew being rescued. I've yet to copy them but will get on to it soon if your interested. They aren't great photos just snaps

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My grandfather John Dunlop was Engineer Commander of HMS Avenger when she was sunk. He stood by the building of the ship when she was being built by the Fairfield Shipbuilding Co and was presented with a water painting of the ship in Union Steam Ship Co colours then known as SS Aotearoa. This painting was displayed in the Wellington Maritime Museum, New Zealand for many years and is still in their possession on loan from me.

I would be interested to receive any information on the sinking of the Avenger particularly the snaps and the U Boat description of the sinking.

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I have a scan of U 69's KTB describing her attack on Avenger. Can e-mail it along if anyone is interested.

Best wishes,

Michael

I would be grateful to receive a copy of the scan by e-mail as my grandfather was Engineer Commander when she went down

Thank you for your help

John

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QUOTE (paynie @ Jul 13 2007, 06:52 PM) Hello, I'm looking for any informayion and hopefully a photo on HMS Avenger, I had a relative on board. I think she sank some time in 1917. Any info at all would be appretiated, e.g. crew size, how many survived, what happened etc.

Thanks in advance

Hello Paynie, I have a photo of HMS Avenger sinking and the crew being rescued. I've yet to copy them but will get on to it soon if your interested. They aren't great photos just snaps

I would love a copy of the snaps if you can send them by e-mail.

Thank you in advance

John

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John,

Not a problem -- PM me your e-mail address so I can send you the scan from U 69's war diary.

Best wishes,

Michael

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The photo attached shows HMS Avenger sinking in June 1917. This is one of many taken by a Canadian crew member of HMS Vienna, other ships featured are HMS Royal Arthur, HMS King Orkay (I think), Hospital ship Plassie and the SS Roanoke's crew c1917

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Sorry if I seem a bit "late" on this topic. Just adding some info for general interest.

Have only recently been researching my grandfather's naval service and found that he was one of those rescued from Avenger. I have an old photo that shows him on a deck of a ship in happier time which I think may be the Avenger, but there's no definitive evidence (just some very large ventilator thingys that could be a match).

His service record shows that 4 weeks after the sinking, he was assigned to HMS Ferret - mine laying destroyer operating in the North Sea - on which he spent the remainder of the war. Not much time to get over the experience methinks!

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I'm looking for a crew list for HMS Avenger when it was torpedoed. Particularly I am trying to confirm the first name(s) of

373882 Junior Engineer T Cull MFA (SWB 15301 issued 13.7.17, ref A.G. 4a 7.5.1917) - as the SWB register lists Cull as being on Avenger I assume that he was invalided out as a result of the attack.

Signalman Lewis Ridland RNR - Killed

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32 minutes ago, George Lee Temple said:

I'm looking for a crew list for HMS Avenge

"Crew lists", as a general rule, do not exist for RN ships.

32 minutes ago, George Lee Temple said:

I am trying to confirm the first name(s) of

373882 Junior Engineer T Cull MFA

Thomas CULL Mercantile Marine Reserve (MMR) per Admiralty medal roll. (An MFA is a type of ship - Mercantile Fleet Auxiliary)

32 minutes ago, George Lee Temple said:

Signalman Lewis Ridland RNR - Killed

RIDLAND, Lewis, Seaman, RNR (Shetland Section), L 1434, was drowned on 31 May 1917, not killed in the sinking. From AVENGER's log book:-

31 May 1917

At Sea

Lat 66.1, Long -25.1

8.44am L Ridland AB RNR No 1434L: -departed this life by drowning- (accidentally falling overboard from N4 cutter). N° 1 and 2 sea boats lowered and cruised in the vicinity from 8.45 to 9.50am

Pos Lat 66 04N Long 24 25W. - Overbalanced whilst working in a boat at davits and was drowned before he could be rescued. Body not recovered.

1 lifebuoy recovered, 2 lost

1010 Divine service for burial of the dead held.

1.30pm Court of Enquiry held to investigate cause of death of Seaman L. Ridland RNR

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Thank you for confirming the name is 'Thomas'.

The Medal Roll I have access to just lists him as 'Cull, T Jr Engineer'.

His medals are marked 'JNR. ENG T. CULL. M.F.A.' - am I correct in inferring that this is not right (Cull not being 'a type of ship') ?

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