Baltic Submarine Crews.

[MartH]

Sorted out my scanning, found the descreening button, made half tones much better.

I'm going link in groups as they are in the book, Michael Wilson, Baltic Assignment, British Submariners in Russia: 1914-1919 ISBN 0-436-57801-8, 1985 Leo Cooper.

Between pages 84 -85 part 1

Hopefully we/you can put some names to the people on deck, including the odd relative!

Regards

Mart

[MartH]

2nd Group as they are in the book, Michael Wilson, Baltic Assignment, British Submariners in Russia: 1914-1919 ISBN 0-436-57801-8, 1985 Leo Cooper.

Between pages 84 -85 part 2

Regards

Mart

[MartH]

3rd Group as they are in the book, Michael Wilson, Baltic Assignment, British Submariners in Russia: 1914-1919 ISBN 0-436-57801-8, 1985 Leo Cooper.

Between pages 116 - 117 part 1

Regards

Mart

[MartH]

4th Group as they are in the book, Michael Wilson, Baltic Assignment, British Submariners in Russia: 1914-1919 ISBN 0-436-57801-8, 1985 Leo Cooper.

Between pages 116 - 117 part 2

Regards

Mart

[MartH]

5th Group as they are in the book, Michael Wilson, Baltic Assignment, British Submariners in Russia: 1914-1919 ISBN 0-436-57801-8, 1985 Leo Cooper.

Between pages 148 - 149

Regards

Mart

[MartH]

6th Group as they are in the book, Michael Wilson, Baltic Assignment, British Submariners in Russia: 1914-1919 ISBN 0-436-57801-8, 1985 Leo Cooper.

Between pages 180 - 181

Last one, there might be some more in Baltic Episode, and I recall in some of my Finnish books on the period, will do a little rote around.

Regards

Mart

[Signals]

Hi Matt,

just a few notes on the photos, photo #3 is a D class sub and not E19. Photo #4 is E19 all iced up. Photo#5, this shows E18 arriving at Dagerort, when identifying herself to the Russian destroyer and E9 she was told to display a small square flag followed by a pennant which this photo clearly shows.

Photo# 7 shows a Russian Signalman or Telegraphist closest to camera waiting for his medal. Photo # 9, Crew shot of E19 shows Telegraphist Benson, standing third from our left and signalman Garrod standing third from our right.

Hoe this is of interest.

Cheers Darren.

[sadsac]

Darren, All, CSG Bods ;

WARREN William George PO D/ 238632 DDE13 ADM 188 / 424

YEARSLEY Walter Albert STO1 P/K 3223 DDE13 ADM 188 / 873

THOMAS William Hayes LSTO C/ 307910 DDE13 ADM 188 / 502

POWELL William George AB P/ 182354 DDE18 ADM 188 / 304

FRY Claude Francis STO1 C/K 18575 DD M1 ADM 188 / 904 & ADM 104 / 111

ALDRIDGE Henry William POSTO P 222882 DSM DD G7 ADM 188 / 392

KOKO Sadsac / DAF

[Signals]

Hi Sadsac,

thankyou for that info, on the CSG Bods, do you know what subs these bods were on? I presume Thomas was on E8 but i'm sure Goddhart calls him a Chief P.O.

WARREN William George PO

YEARSLEY Walter Albert STO1

THOMAS William Hayes LSTO

FRY Claude Francis

Cheers Darren.

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Darren, here's FRY more to come ;

FRY CLAUDE FRANCIS STO 1 C/K 18575 CSG RN SM M.1 24.01.19 Z 26 180792 C D F CHATHAM 32 CHATHAM 5 - 451

Son of James Alexander and Helen Fry, of 7 Benhall Mill Rd., Tunbridge Wells, Kent.

Accidentally drowned off Constantinople.

Awarded Cross of St. George 4th Class - Russia.

Chatham Memorial is open 0830 - 1700. For entry Telephone Guard Room at Brompton Barracks, 01634 - 822442. HMS ADAMANT. ADM 104 / 111. Record 2053. Page 8.

Constantinople. Drowning - accidental. HMS ADAMANT. ADM 188 / 904. N.P 988 / 19.

P.o.B ; Tunbridge Wells, Kent. Occ ; Gardener. NL 7757 / 19.

Court of Inquiry held on 27 January 1919, were of the opinion that Fry met his death purely through accident and that no blame is attributed to any other person. Further that every possible endeavour was made to rescue him and that the effort of rescue was carried out with great rapidity and efficiency.

SC 150526 DOLPHIN

E19 150812 MAIDSTONE

E19 160801 BALTIC

SC 180122 DOLPHIN

K18 180411 DOLPHIN

M1 180916 TITANIA ADAMANT

DD 190124 M1 DROWNED CONSTANTINOPLE

[MartH]

Darren/Others

Interesting about the photos, my aunt's husband's mother's uncle.. was Commodore G. von Schoultz who I believe was trying to buy the subs in 1918 for 5 million. Checked his book but couldn't find anything. I'm sure the books on Sveaborg have photos of them or the exhibitions on Sveaborg had photos', will check some more.

Regards

Mart

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Darren, `Et Al', something of interest ??

KENT. Samuel. LIEUTENANT. 1. 3.18. `E.19'.

COMMODORE (S). GAZETTE 15. 2.19. MENTIONED IN DESPATCHES.

Their Lordships appreciation expressed of the successful

execution of the duties of carrying out the destruction of the

British submarines in the Baltic, rendered necessary by the

German advance on Helsingfors. The preparations for blowing up

were made entirely by Lieutenant Kent (then Gunner(T) of

Flotilla) who brought clocks and improvised time fuses.

A.9. 28. 2.15. GUNNER(T).

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Chaps - yet another re Sub destruction Baltic ;

DOWNIE Basil N N/E Lt. RN 82O059 S/M E.19 Commodore (S) 15.02.19 G Destruction of British Submarines in the Baltic 3 - 5 April, 1918 Mentioned in Despatches.

Their Lordships' appreciation expressed of the successful execution of the duties of carrying out the destruction of the British Submarines in the Baltic, rendered necessary by the German advance on Helsingfors.

ADM 171 /

Sadsac / DAF

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Dear All

Thank you for your help so far. I have looked at Rowland Bickers Note book/Diary and decided there is to much

to type and i can`nt down load it, so a pionts from it. It measures 2" x4".

Inside the cover are 2 Chatham dock yard passes 1st July and 1st Aug 1916, to R Bicker C34.

1st page , R Bicker PO 1 Sub C34,Dover:Sub E25 ,E M Squadron.then his Will signed by Himself and W H Croxall

PO C35 and J Manthridge (looks like) C26:At the bottom of page E19 Baltic S/M.

Next page , Aug 8th 1916 ,he lists lots of European cities which he passed through by train, it starts at portsmouth

and goes through London ,Paris ,Milan , Rome through to Malta and onto mundros.on arrival he went sick ,1st Sept.

to HMS Europa with "Fever". He joined HMS Adament 20th Nov.

next page, Jan5th 1917 Qual`as Torp` Cox`: then March 39th 1917 took over E25 at Suda Bay as Cox`

next page, Oct 31st 1917 Arr Corfu : Jan 18th 1918 ,left Corfu for Malta on HMS Marguerite(looks like) he then visited

several ports and arrived back in UK 1st May,then had leave for 16 Days ,then to Blockhouse, then to RN Hospital

Hasler Sept 29th ,Nov12th draft to G6 Blyth.

Next page , 1st : Bicker, Kieth , Chandler, Gay (looks like) , Fagg , Worrell,

Next page , 690 Kieth , 691 Penwith (looks like), 692 Bickle , 693 Chandler , 1454 Shirley ,55 Shawyler (looks like ),

56 Worrell , 57 Pauley ( E1 CH h ), 58 ? .59 ? , 60 Tagg , 61 Relf , 62 Daughtally (looks like ), 63 Gay .

Aug 1916 C34

I have cut out quite a lot of bits like Rum rations and other non interesting bits and shortend his travels.

I think he was sent to Mundros as Spare crew ?

Any thought on the above? or any questions ?

Colin

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Colin, to your last post ; for FAGG read TAGG. Follows his record ;

TAGG JOHN AB D/J 12877 NE RN 261094 270115 C34 ARROGANT

C34 161128 DOLPHIN

C34 170331 MAIDSTONE

C34 170701 LUCIA

DD C34 210717

SENIOR IN RATING 031013 AB C S EXPIRES 261024

AGE 22 PLYMOUTH 21 - 5 - 343

Husband of Agnes Tagg, of 9 Grenfell Rd., Maidenhead, Berks.

Killed in action with submarine off the Shetland Islands.

D.O.L ; 17.07.17. HMS LUCIA. ADM 188 / 672. AG 903 / 17.

P.o.B ; Bracknell, Berks. Occ ; Blacksmith.

Torpedoed by U-52 (KptLt Hans Walther), sighted by Watch Officer ObLt . z. S. Ciliax ( Cdr Adm Scheer & Scharnhorst WW2) laying stopped off Fair Island Channel. After 1 hr. sunk by 1 torpedo at 1546 position 5930 N 0050 E. 3 men sighted in tower one white hat (Capt).

One survivor ; said "You won the game".

Have more if needed ; for SHAWYLER read SHAWLER for KIETH read KEITH

Regards Sadsac / DAF

[Signals]

Hi Sadsac,

When you look into the papers of Charles William Turrall #204563 of E18 would you think he was originally on other E class subs?

On another note, the first draft of Rating that arrived in England on the 28-1-1917 from the Baltic were the following, Stoker PO Henry W.Aldridge from E9, Ldg Sig. Alfred J.Burtenshaw from E9, Ldg Stoker William J.Cook from E9, Petty Officer Arthur W. Davey from E1, Ldg Smn James C. Evans from E9, ERA John F. Fairhall from E1, Chief Stoker James (Joe) Langford from E1, Ldg Smn Alfred J. Millyard from E9, Chief Petty Officer Frederick W.New from E1, Ldg Stoker William E.Newbound from E8, Stoker Sidney A.Trimmer from E1, and Sig Albert E. Robinson from E18.

My grandmother has always told me her father, E18's Albert Edward Robinson, was sick in Petrograd and when this group was returning home they were told to go back and pick him up on their way through, they were told to be extremely careful when going through Petrograd to get him, in her words they were told to get him out of Petrograd due to the rising unrest. I have no idea how this group got back to England as there is no record i know of. The Sub museum has a photo of this group once landed in England. E9's Burtenshaw is wearing 3 medals, one a cross. The man standing next to him is unidentified but is the only other one wearing the same cross, i have also identified him in a crew photo of E1's. So any idea which of those listed above from E1 won a cross, either Trimmer or Davey? Those that are identified in the photo from E1 with no medals on are New, Langford and Fairhall.

Hope this is of interest.

Darren.

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Hi Sadsac

Very interested to see that Tagg came from Brackneell/Maidenhead i live just

outside Reading and pass Maidenhead to and from work, must try and find the Town

Memorial and look in" Berkshire and the War" for his Photo . I have Medals to a man

lost on C34 ,so research would help nicely.

Many thanks

Colin

[sadsac]

Hello Colin, who is `your' C34 chap - let me know name and I will see what I have on him.

KOKO Sadsac

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Hi Sadsac

Thank you for your kind offer.

J/10018 Charles Henry Dawe L/Seaman.

Can i be checky and ask if you could lok up 2 Officers i have /

one died in the N/Sea and i at May Island please.

Colin

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Dear All

Sorry for the spelling in previous post, i must of had a senior moment .

Colin

[sadsac]

Hello Colin, follows your C34 chap - note the difference in Rating - Sig not L/s ;

dates of boat service in reverse order eg 160627 = 27 June 1916

DAWE CHARLES HENRY LDG SIG D/J 10018 271094 270616

TC 160627 DOLPHIN

C34 160809 DOLPHIN

C34 160331 MAIDSTONE

C34 170701 LUCIA

DD C34 210717

JOINED FROM VIVID OPPOSUM

SENIOR IN RATING SIG 100413 LSIG 000016

C S EXPIRES 271024 AGE 23

PLYMOUTH 21 - 5 - 292

Son of William Dawe, of Osmington, Weymouth ; husband of Violet Eva Dawe, of 125 Longhurst Rd., Lewisham, London.

Killed in action with submarine off the Shetland Islands.

HMS LUCIA. ADM 188 / 667. A.G 903 / 17.

P.o.B ; Peswell, Dorset. Occ ; Farm Labourer.

D.O.L ; 17.07.17. Torpedoed East of Fair Isle by U52.

Torpedoed by U-52 (KptLt Hans Walther), sighted by Watch Officer ObLt . z. S. Ciliax ( Cdr Adm Scheer & Scharnhorst WW2) laying stopped off Fair Island Channel. After 1 hr. sunk by 1 torpedo at 1546 position 5930 N 0050 E. 3 men sighted in tower one white hat (Capt).

One survivor ; said "You won the game".

Names of officers ?? Sadsac

[submarine]

Hi Sadsac

Many thanks for your help , i took the rank from CWGC ,all others are as you say Sig/L Sig.

Being a Submarine on Submarine attack it makes it just a little different.

The Officers are

Commander David De Beauvoir Stocks DSO (Died K4 May Island )

Lt Gerald Ernest Berkeley Carter (Died C33 05/08 /1915 )

Best wishes

Colin

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Colin, herewith STOCKS records that I have

STOCKS David De B. DSO. COMMANDER.

B.4. IN COMMAND. 10. 1.05. MERCURY.

E.2. 1. 2.13. DOLPHIN.

E.2. 9. 7.13. MAIDSTONE.

card added to by (Officers WW1 Honours book - see D.A. Feary)

STOCKS. David de B. LT. CDR. 15. 7.12. `E.3'.

V. ADMIRAL de ROBECK. GAZETTE 19.11.15. D.S.O.

Cruised for 32 days in the Sea of Marmora and inflicted great

damage on shipping. Devised new method of breaking through net.

STOCKS. David de B. COMMANDER. 31.12.13. `E.2'.

VICE-ADMIRAL de ROBECK.

During stay in Sea of Marmora from 9.12.15. to 3. 1.16

destroyed 19 dhows and one steamer and damaged 1 steamer.

Destroyed Mundania Railway Station.

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Colin, more re STOCKS ;

STOCKS DAVID DE BEAUVOIR CDR NE DSO CLD'H RN SM K.4 31.01.18 Z 34 D PORTSMOUTH 28 PORTSMOUTH 7 - 563

Son of John Wallace Stocks (late Captain B.H. Lt. Horse), and Elizabeth Brock, his wife ; husband of Cherida Stocks, of Westcombe, Evercreech, Somerset.

Drowned through collision in North Sea. HMS FEARLESS.

Awarded D.S.O., London Gazette 19.11.15. When in H.M.S/m E.2.

During his stay in the Sea of Marmora from 09.12.15, to 03.01.16, he destroyed 19 Dhows, and 1 steamer, and damaged 1 steamer.

He also destroyed Mudania Railway Station.

Cruised for 32 days in the Sea of Marmora and inflicted great damage on shipping. Devised a new method of breaking through nets.

Chevalier Legion D'Honneur (France).

HMS FEARLESS. ADM 104 / 110. Record 1663. Page 231.

Drowning "K.4" - sunk in collision.

Sadsac

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Colin, here is CARTER details I have ;

CARTER GERALD ERNEST BARKELEY LT NE AGSM RN SM C.33 05.08.15 Z 29 PORTSMOUTH 7 PORTSMOUTH 2 - 122

Son of Brigadier-General F.C. Carter, C.B., and Clare Louise Carter (nee Clarke-Thornhill) ;

husband of Mary Scott Carter (nee McGregor-Robertson), of 26 Buckingham Terrace, Glasgow.

Awarded Africa General Service Medal (Somaliland Clasp).

Killed in loss of vessel in North Sea.

CARTER. Gerald. Ernest Barkeley LIEUT.

SEE NAVY LIST. VULCAN DECEMBER 1908.

C.33 (ARROGANT). 2.12.10.

A.2 (MERCURY). 2.12.10.

C.33. 16. 5.15. IN COMMAND.

DD C33 04.08.15

Mined off East Coast, England.