Cap badge indentity

[johnwd]

Could anyone please identify the regiment from the cap badge?

[Steven Broomfield]

I'd have said Rifle Brigade, but he has "T"s on the collar, so he's a territorial. Therefore could be from a range of units - London Regiment (19th?), Robin Hood Battalions of the Foresters, Leeds Rifles.

I suspect the clue might be the collar dog, as various regiments would have had different ones.

Calling all experts!

[jay dubaya]

Thanks for making me squint Steven. I too would have said Rifle Brigade but after squinting to find the 'T' I'm going to say 7th (Robin Hood) Battalion. This being confirmed by the collar badge.

cheers, Jon

[PhilB]

Can`t have been much fun fighting with bows and arrows. Although there was a thread some time back on possible uses for bows in trench warfare! Phil B

[riflegreen]

Robin Hoods , the crown on the badge is higher than the RB badge and the RB didn't wear collar badges .

Chris

[jay dubaya]

RB didn't wear collar badges .

Chris

Are you sure about that Chris?

cheers, Jon

[riflegreen]

Yes Jon ,

The only instance of collar badges being worn I've seen are the 5th Militia battalion in Ireland .

Chris

[BeppoSapone]

QUOTE (Phil_B @ Apr 8 2007, 02:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Can`t have been much fun fighting with bows and arrows. Although there was a thread some time back on possible uses for bows in trench warfare! Phil B

Captain "Mad Jack" Churchill of the Manchesters, later of the Commandos, shot at least one German soldier with a bow and arrow on the retreat to Dunkirk in 1940.

[jay dubaya]

Chris, I'm sat with Colin Churchill's 'History of the British Army Infantry Collar Badge'

The first mention of collar badges appears in the 1902 Dress Regulations relating to the recently introduced Service Dress for Officers. These are described "As for forage cap, but smaller" and in bronze.

quoted from the above book

Is this conflicting information or did the RB choose to ignore the DR. I'm in no way an expert on this matter and I'm sure you know more of the RB than I.

cheers, Jon

[riflegreen]

Hi Jon,

The RB must have ignored the regulations as they didn't wear any collar badges , the pair I have are from the Militia battalion in Ireland ( 6th not 5th as I put in the first post ) and are the same size as forage cap badges and in silver metal .

I didn't believe they were genuine until I got a photo of the 6th battalion dated 1904 with a mix of regular officers and milita , the militia officers wearing collar badges and the regular RB officers not .

Couple of the militia officers have full size cap badges as collar badges.

Chris

[jay dubaya]

Thanks for that Chris, it's great to have confirmation from a photo

cheers, Jon

[7t2ndswinger]

Hi Jon,

The RB must have ignored the regulations as they didn't wear any collar badges , the pair I have are from the Militia battalion in Ireland ( 6th not 5th as I put in the first post ) and are the same size as forage cap badges and in silver metal .

I didn't believe they were genuine until I got a photo of the 6th battalion dated 1904 with a mix of regular officers and milita , the militia officers wearing collar badges and the regular RB officers not .

Couple of the militia officers have full size cap badges as collar badges.

Chris

I can back that up too. I have a blackened/bronze pair of which are very similar to the the 17th London cap badge. The South Africa honour is in large numerals across the east and west cross arms and their cap badge is the same. I suppose the officer in this thread could be 17th London and before anyone shoots me down about them not wearing collars I do have a photo of an officer with them on.

Chris...any chance of posting the photo you mention above ?

Keith

[riflegreen]

I've deleted the empty message !.

Hi Keith ,

They are 17th London collars and I have seen photos of them being worn , I tried to photograph the RB picture but it is framed and all I get is glare from the glass .

Chris

[riflegreen]

johnwd ,

Is that a signature in the right hand lower corner of the photo ? .

Chris

[7t2ndswinger]

I've deleted the empty message !.

Hi Keith ,

They are 17th London collars and I have seen photos of them being worn , I tried to photograph the RB picture but it is framed and all I get is glare from the glass .

Chris

Chris,

Thanks for trying. Here's the Rifle Brigade Militia cap badge to go with the collars mentioned above although this is nickel rather than backened brass/bronze which my collars are but the design is the same. Below are the units which made up the Militia, a few of them disbanded by the time the Kings Crown badge was introduced. With regards to Churchill's book which does illustrate the collars (as shown here) under the 17th London (Tower Hamlets Rifles), I'm wondering if he's incorrect here due to the similarity to their cap badge as they really ought to have been shown in the Rifle Brigade section? Alternatively may these have only worn by officers (unofficially) with a connection to the 5th Btn listed below?

Any ideas?

5th Battalion (The Queen's Own Regt of Tower Hamlets Militia) [1881-1953]

6th Battalion (The Prince of Wales's Royal Regiment of Longford Light Infantry) [1881-1899]

6th Battalion (Royal Longford and Westmeath Militia) [1899-1908]

6th Battalion (The King's Own Light Infantry Regt of Militia ) [1881-1953]

7th Battalion (The King's Own Light Infantry Regt of Militia ) [1881-1953]

8th Battalion (Leitrim Rifles Regiment of Militia) [1881-1889]

9th Battalion (Westmeath Rifles Regiment of Militia) [1881-1899]

Keith

[johnwd]

johnwd ,

Is that a signature in the right hand lower corner of the photo ? .

Chris

Thanks for everyone trying to help with this one.

There is something, however I can't make it out.

However, I have attached a closer image of the cap & collar to see if it will help narrow things down

Regards,

John

[jay dubaya]

Hi John, t'was I that hijacked your thread & we all started talking about the Rifle Brigade.

I'm 99% positive that the Officer in the photo is 1/7th (Robin Hoods) Battn. Sherwood Foresters Rgt. which was a Territorial Infantry Rgt. There was also 2/7th Battn. formed in 1914.

Sorry if this has confused things, the badge bears many similaralities to that of the RB, the collar dogs being smaller versions of the cap badge.

cheers, Jon

[johnwd]

Hi John, t'was I that hijacked your thread & we all started talking about the Rifle Brigade.

I'm 99% positive that the Officer in the photo is 1/7th (Robin Hoods) Battn. Sherwood Foresters Rgt. which was a Territorial Infantry Rgt. There was also 2/7th Battn. formed in 1914.

Sorry if this has confused things, the badge bears many similaralities to that of the RB, the collar dogs being smaller versions of the cap badge.

cheers, Jon

Jon,

Fantastic !

From an old photograph among many I have of potential family tree members, you have provided the link. I have checked the National Archives online register and I now have my man.

As he had signed the photo 'Yours ever Leslie' and I know the surname could have been Gibson, the archive shows a Leslie Herbert Gibson who became a Major in the 11th Battalion Sherwood Foresters.

Thank you very much for your help.

Regards,

John

[Guest]

Hi John, just a quick question as I'm also doing family tree and investigating a Leslie Herbert Gibson. Can you tell me if your one was born in King's Lynn in Norfolk?

Regards

Gazza

[Guest KevinEndon]

a bit of a make over incase you want to frame the photo.

Hope you like it

Kevin

[BRONNO]

a bit of a make over incase you want to frame the photo.

Hope you like it

Kevin

Major L.H.Gibson 11th Btn Notts and Derbys taken from (Men From the Greenwood). Is it the same man? BRONNO.

[john gregory]

Captain "Mad Jack" Churchill of the Manchesters, later of the Commandos, shot at least one German soldier with a bow and arrow on the retreat to Dunkirk in 1940.

That's right, also RSM Loxley got another two.