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What trade badge is this? Bomber?


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Hello,

Here is a photo of a L/Cpl in the Black Watch. What is his trade badge? I think he is some sort of bomber, but have not seen one with a cross below, before.

Many thanks,

Stewart

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Hello Stewart,

Possibly a member of a trench mortar battery, a blue grenade, the crossed guns indicating a member of the the 'best' Battery or Company (a mixture of infantry and artillery symbols). A bomber would just have a red genade. Just an idea not absolutely sure, but might provoke some response.

Regards

Ron

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Hello Stewart,

Possibly a member of a trench mortar battery, a blue grenade, the crossed guns indicating a member of the the 'best' Battery or Company (a mixture of infantry and artillery symbols). A bomber would just have a red genade. Just an idea not absolutely sure, but might provoke some response.

Regards

Ron

This is similar to my early thinking - but now I can't see that it's a TM bomb.

The Bomber badge isn't all red - it's red flames on a drab ball (Edwards & Langley, p.63). The one in the photo seems to be two tone - and of differing colours in the ball and flames - and so a bomber

Other than that I'm stumped because none of the crossed badges in Edwards & Langley seem to fit the image.

Best wishes,

Grovetown.

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Hello Stewart,

Possibly a member of a trench mortar battery, a blue grenade, the crossed guns indicating a member of the the 'best' Battery or Company (a mixture of infantry and artillery symbols). A bomber would just have a red genade. Just an idea not absolutely sure, but might provoke some response.

Regards

Ron

hi, bit new to all this but i think they belong to a marksman ,best shot? google army badges, tony

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It looks as if the grenade and crossed guns (rifles?) are on the same backing patch, as if they come as one.

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Hello Stewart,

Possibly a member of a trench mortar battery, a blue grenade, the crossed guns indicating a member of the the 'best' Battery or Company (a mixture of infantry and artillery symbols). A bomber would just have a red genade. Just an idea not absolutely sure, but might provoke some response.

Forgot to mention Infantry Units using Stokes Mortars wore the same Grenade as TMB personnel (Blue Flames on Drab Grenade, see Edwards & Langley p64). The crossed weapons appear to be too thick to be crossed rifles, hence crossed gun barrels. Crossed rifles indicating marksmanship, best shot etc tend to be worn on the lower left sleeve.

Regards

Ron

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Blue Flames on Drab Grenade, see Edwards & Langley p64).
Hi Ron

Agree it looks like one backing.

I hope David L (Grumpy) will step in to clarify (he's away until April 5), as the TMB badge is all blue. My reading of of E&L's colour schemes is that they state badge colour or colours; and then the backing colour. I.e red and drab bombers badge on khaki backing is expressed K/red/K whereas an all blue bomb is expressed Bl/K, rather than K/Bl/K as it would be if it were a drab ball/ blue flames on khaki backing.

The bomb is definitely, as you identify too, two 'colours' - and so not TMB (an orginal one on well provenanced tunic illustrated).

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Best wishes,

Grovetown.

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Hello Grovetown,

Thanks for the colour photo, I knew that the flames were blue but couldn't remember whether the whole thing was blue on a khaki backing. In looking at E&L's description, they actually say that some units painted a brass grenade blue and wore that. However, if you look at their B&W photos, they appear to be two colours particularly the one of the KOYLI's priming Stokes Mortar Bombs. It's the crossed weapons that are puzzling me.

Regards

Ron

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It's the crossed weapons that are puzzling me.

Regards

Ron

Hi Ron

Agree it's the crossed items that are the puzzle. As it happens, that blue bomb above is on a KOYLI tunic...

Checked the photo - and agree one of them looks two tone; although it's the flames that appear lighter than the bomb. Almost like the officer's version.

When David returns, he should be able to give us chapter and verse. Or Stewart's found him a new one!

Grovetown.

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:) Hello et al,

It's had me stumped for a while and I agree the Bomb does look to bemade of two colours. The cross below seems to be of a uniform thickness, unlike cross rifes etc, which are shaped like the item they represent. I wonder if it is St. Andrews on his cross with a new hair style :lol: ? It's lucky that it is fairly clear photo and the backing patch is clearly shown.

Thanks for all of your thoughts,

Regards,

Stewart

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I have so many misgivings on this being a 'prize' badge - as the 'best in..' badges were. It was my belief that these badges were suspended during the war; that virtually all had wreaths around and at least a Star above, and most were worn on the left cuff (due to their size).

It looks more like a saltire than crossed weapons to me; I'm inclined to agree that it's a bomber's badge. But it's the construction of the badge which is really puzzling.

And just to go completely loopy - the construction of the badge (crossed whatever, domed top) looks more like Royal Navy style - if not colours!

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Have we established whether this is a bomber ot trench mortar?

If bomber, could the 'crossed rifles' be used as a local destinction between bomber and rifle-grenade specialist?

Just a 4 am thught that stuck.

Tom the Walrus

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I tried to reply yesterday but lost in cyberspace.

Try again:

never seen anything like it, so a good picture.

Worn upper right above NCO chevron should mean 'assisitant instructor'

Looks like crossed guns rather than rifles.

Shape suggests RM or RN but intrinsically unlikely for a highlander.

Might be a locally sanctioned Light Trench Mortar Instructor badge.

A gem of a photo.

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:) Hello Grumpy,

Have you had a nice break? Thanks for the information on the badge. If you would like a higher resolution scan, I am more than happy to try and get one for you. Sadly the PC is unnamed, so it is not possible to try and research him from that angle. I see what you mean about it looking like a RN badge.

Regards,

Stewart

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Just a suggestion!

It almost looks like a combination of a 'bomber's ' badge sewn close to a formation sign. The bomb appears to be tucked in to the saltire. If so, I would think that the soldier is one from (not surprisingly) a Scottish formation. He looks as if he has not yet been overseas, (no medals) It is possibly slightly timed, of post WW1. Formation signs were comparitively rare on WW1 uniforms. In any event, it is not a sign that I recognise. Sorry if I have confused rather than helped. ' Quite a puzzler!

Southern Geordie

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:) Hello Grumpy,

Have you had a nice break? Thanks for the information on the badge. If you would like a higher resolution scan, I am more than happy to try and get one for you. Sadly the PC is unnamed, so it is not possible to try and research him from that angle. I see what you mean about it looking like a RN badge.

Regards,

Stewart

Great break down under, thank you.

A higher res. scan most welcome: in any case the badge is a first for me.

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