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G F Allender, Liverpool kings reg 5th Bn


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Hello

I would be so very grateful if anyone has any information on my great uncle George Frederick (G F) Allender.

He is on the CWGC and listed as colonel of the kings Liverpool 5th bn and died on 2/10/1916.

I recently found his uk grave and it states his death as 29th Sptember 1916?

On the medal card it says 'deceased'?

I would be grateful for any information.

Thank you in advance

Avril

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I might find more later on but for now you might like to know that his service record survives at the National Archives under the designation WO 374/1203

J

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His name does not appear in the Order of Battle in the History of the 55th (West Lancs) Division in which the 1/5th King's served. Their COs were Lt-Col Shute (who has cropped up recently in the forum) and Lt-Col A.Buckley.

Was he connected with the firm of Mander & Allender in Liverpool? If so I can add a crumb of interest. I see from CWGC he was buried on the Wirral.

Daggers

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I might find more later on but for now you might like to know that his service record survives at the National Archives under the designation WO 374/1203

J

Thank you for your quick reply!

I have just checked on the website for the service record and it lists it as J F Allender have they made a typing mistake?

kind regards

Avril

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His name does not appear in the Order of Battle in the History of the 55th (West Lancs) Division in which the 1/5th King's served. Their COs were Lt-Col Shute (who has cropped up recently in the forum) and Lt-Col A.Buckley.

Was he connected with the firm of Mander & Allender in Liverpool? If so I can add a crumb of interest. I see from CWGC he was buried on the Wirral.

Daggers

Thank you so much for your reply!

Yes, he is connected to Mander& Allender in Liverpool!!

I would love to hear of any information that you may have!

His grave is in Bidston Wirral. His son Frederick is also listed on the war memorial in the village as he was on HMS Vanguard.

I was wondering if both father and son were killed in WW1

Kind regards

Avril

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regarding the NA records, anything is possible but he is given as Lt Col, I'll have a look next time I'm there.

Yes I thought probably NOT 1/5, but possibly 2/5, anyone with an Army List of the right date could clarify.

J

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There are a couple of mentions of him in the London Gazette (detailing promotions, etc.) during the war:

LG 2-3-1915

The undermentioned temporary appoint ment is made: —

Deputy Assistant Quartermaster-General—

Lieutenant-Colonel (Honorary Colonel) G. F. Allender, Territorial Force Reserve.

Dated 9th January, 1915.

http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/archiveVi...;selHonourType=

LG 10-10-1916

The undermentioned temp, appts. are made : —

D.A.Q.M.G.— Temp. Capt. E. Mason, A.S.C., vice Lt.-Col. (Hon. Col.) G. F. Allender, T.F. Res. 3rd Oct. 1916.

http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/archiveVi...;selHonourType=

LG 2-1-1917

Probate notice:

http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/archiveVi...;selHonourType=

These suggest that he served on the Staff during the War.

Steve.

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Avril

The crumb of info is that I have on my wall a shield/plaque with the WWI 55th (West Lancs) Divisional sign of the Red Rose which for years was on display,with other insignia of Rugby clubs etc which they supplied with scarves etc., in the Dale Street shop of M & A until I persuaded them to part with it. It still has the firm's label on the reverse. I have tried scanning it but it is too dark. Faded but a proud reminder of that war - that's the shield, not me.

Daggers

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Before the War:

LG 29-7-1887

1st Lancashire Rifle Volunteer Corps, George Frederick Allender, Gent., to be Second Lieutenant. Dated 30th July, 1887.

http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/archiveVi...;selHonourType=

LG 26-10-1888

1st Volunteer Battalion, the King's (Liverpool Regiment).

The undermentioned Second-Lieutenants to be Lieutenants:-

G. F. Allender. Dated 27th October, 1888.

http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/archiveVi...;selHonourType=

LG 27-2-1891

1st Volunteer Battalion, the King's (Liverpool Regiment).

Lieutenant G. F. Allender to be Captain. dated 28th February, 1891.

http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/archiveVi...;selHonourType=

LG 19-9-1902

1st Volunteer Battalion, the King's (Liverpool Regiment).

Captain G. F. Allender is granted the honorary rank of Major. Dated 20th September, 1902.

http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/archiveVi...;selHonourType=

LG 13-2-1902

1st Volunteer Battalion, the King's (Liverpool Regiment).

Captain and Honorary Major G. F. Allender to be Major. Dated 14th February, 1903.

http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/archiveVi...;selHonourType=

LG 10-9-1907

1st Volunteer Battalion, the King's (Liverpool Regiment).

Lieutenant Colonel-Commandant G. F. Allender is granted the rank of Honorary Colonel. Dated 19th August, 1907.

http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/archiveVi...;selHonourType=

LG 19-11-1907

War Office,

November 19, 1907.

The KING has been graciously pleased to confer the Volunteer Officers' Decoration upon the undermentioned Officers of the Volunteer Force, who have been duly recommended for the same under the terms of the Royal Warrant dated 25th July, 1892 :—

WESTERN COMMAND

1st Volunteer Battalion, the King's (Liverpool RegimenT); Lieutenant-Colonel Commandant and Honorary Colonel George Frederick Allender.

http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/archiveVi...;selHonourType=

LG 6-11-1908

(Transfer upon creation of the Territorial Force)

http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/archiveVi...;selHonourType=

LG 21-6-1912

TERRITORIAL FORCE RESERVE

Infantry.

Lieutenant-Colonel and Honorary Colonel George Frederick Allender, from the retired list, Territorial Force, to be Lieutenant Colonel, with the honorary rank of Colonel Dated 22nd June, 1912.

http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/archiveVi...;selHonourType=

At least one promotion missing there though...

Steve.

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regarding the NA records, anything is possible but he is given as Lt Col, I'll have a look next time I'm there.

Yes I thought probably NOT 1/5, but possibly 2/5, anyone with an Army List of the right date could clarify.

J

Thank you so much for your help!

Avril

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There are a couple of mentions of him in the London Gazette (detailing promotions, etc.) during the war:

LG 2-3-1915

The undermentioned temporary appoint ment is made: —

Deputy Assistant Quartermaster-General—

Lieutenant-Colonel (Honorary Colonel) G. F. Allender, Territorial Force Reserve.

Dated 9th January, 1915.

http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/archiveVi...;selHonourType=

LG 10-10-1916

The undermentioned temp, appts. are made : —

D.A.Q.M.G.— Temp. Capt. E. Mason, A.S.C., vice Lt.-Col. (Hon. Col.) G. F. Allender, T.F. Res. 3rd Oct. 1916.

http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/archiveVi...;selHonourType=

LG 2-1-1917

Probate notice:

http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/archiveVi...;selHonourType=

These suggest that he served on the Staff during the War.

Steve.

Thank you Steve for all the links and information which you so kindly sent!!

I never knew all this existed!!!

I am really grateful!

Avril

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Avril

The crumb of info is that I have on my wall a shield/plaque with the WWI 55th (West Lancs) Divisional sign of the Red Rose which for years was on display,with other insignia of Rugby clubs etc which they supplied with scarves etc., in the Dale Street shop of M & A until I persuaded them to part with it. It still has the firm's label on the reverse. I have tried scanning it but it is too dark. Faded but a proud reminder of that war - that's the shield, not me.

Daggers

Thank you for sharing that story! It is so nice to think that the plaque has gone to a good home and is well looked after!

It was well worth persuading them to part with it as the shop has long since closed down!

The Allender in Mander&Allender was my g great grandfather.

What a coincidence!

Avril

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Avril

I have some pre WWI info on GF Allender, abbreviated here from Kelly's directories of Liverpool:

1909, 5th Bn KLR, HQ at 63 & 65 St Anne Street, Lt.Col.Commandant G.F.Allender VD.

1915, he was not listed, perhaps retired but returned later for war service.

The date of the annual books probably reflected data from the year before.

[My g/father was one of two Hon Chaplains to that Bn, the other being the Bishop!]

Daggers

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Hello Daggers

Thank you so much for the information you so kindly found.

It is so appreciated!

Avril

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I missed this thread when it was first posted. I have and will attach a copy of a Certificate of Good Service for th 1st V.B. Kings Liverpool Regt.It is dated 14th December 1903 and is signed by Col. Allender.

I also have a presentation sword to the 39th Lancashire Rifle Volunteers ( Liverpool Welsh ) again I will post a picture Manufacturer or Retailer is shown as Mander and Allender Liverpool. I suspect they were probably the retailers rather than the manufacturers.

If you cant see the photos clearly please E mail me and I wil try to send you clearer copies

P.B

Picture of Liverpool Welsh sword attached

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PB

Nice VB items you have there, especially the scroll. I never knew there was a Liverpool Welsh. Do you know when they were disbanded?

Avril

Have you downloaded his medal index card?

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documen...p;resultcount=5

He may have gone overseas at some stage; possibly with his staff job. Although it may just say he was awarded a Silver War Badge for his home illness/injury.

He does not appear to have volunteered for the Boer War. The Historical Records lists the VB officers who went to South Africa, and he is not mentioned. So his Territorial Decoration plus what ever it says on the MIC is his only entitlement.

Pete

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Pete,

The 39th Lancs R.V.C. ( liverpool Welsh ) were formed in Feb 1860 and became part of the 5th Lancs R.V.C. in 1862 so had a short lived independent existance. The sword is engraved on the scabbard ( in extremely small letters ) "Presented to William Roberts Esq. by the officers and members of the Liverpool Welsh Rifle Volunteers (39th Lancashire ) 17th April 1860 "

You may be aware that in 1939 on the doubling of the T.A. the 46th ( Liverpol Welsh ) Royal Tank Regt was formed by the duplication of the 40th (Kings ) R.T.R ( fomerly the 7th T.A. battalion of the Kings Regt).The unit became Royal Artillery in 1947 with headquarter at Bluebell Lane Huyton.

Peter

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I missed this thread when it was first posted. I have and will attach a copy of a Certificate of Good Service for th 1st V.B. Kings Liverpool Regt.It is dated 14th December 1903 and is signed by Col. Allender.

I also have a presentation sword to the 39th Lancashire Rifle Volunteers ( Liverpool Welsh ) again I will post a picture Manufacturer or Retailer is shown as Mander and Allender Liverpool. I suspect they were probably the retailers rather than the manufacturers.

If you cant see the photos clearly please E mail me and I wil try to send you clearer copies

P.B

Picture of Liverpool Welsh sword attached

post-63-1180789355.jpg

Thank you PB for taking the time and trouble to post the pictures and information, that is really kind of you and very interesting.

I am sorry I had not replied sooner only I havn't been on the computer for a while and only just got your message!

Once again many thanks!

Kind regards

Avril

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PB

Nice VB items you have there, especially the scroll. I never knew there was a Liverpool Welsh. Do you know when they were disbanded?

Avril

Have you downloaded his medal index card?

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documen...p;resultcount=5

He may have gone overseas at some stage; possibly with his staff job. Although it may just say he warded a Silver War Badge for his home illness/injury.

He does not appear to have volunteered for the Boer War. The Historical Records lists the VB officers who went to South Africa, and he is not mentioned. So his Territorial Decoration plus what ever it says on the MIC is his only entitlement.

Pete

Hello Pete

Thank you for your reply and so sorry for not replying sooner!

I downloaded the medal index card and I am not very good at understanding them!

I am even having trouble saving it as an attachment!!!

I will try and write it out,anyway here goes; Allender George Frederick Lpool R (tf) Lt col

Staff col

Deceased

Remarks: ? lig. G war medals

NW/1/20991

Thanks for your help and message!

Kind regards

Avril

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Hi Avril,

He is listed with Territorial Force Reserve, on the Jan 1915 Army List.

Regards Mark

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Hi Avril,

He is listed with Territorial Force Reserve, on the Jan 1915 Army List.

Regards Mark

Hello Mark

Thank you so much for posting the information!

I am very grateful!

kind regards

Avril

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A late PS to the thread of some time ago:

while looking for something different on a 1913 local newspaper m/film my eye was caught by a headline 'TERRITORIAL BILLIARDS LEAGUE'. Thinking this a bit curious I read the para to find that the 5th Bn King's were holders of the ALLENDER Shield.

Another crumb for Avril's loaf.

Daggers

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Thank you again Daggers for your information! that is so interesting!

With all best wishes

Avril

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Hello Peter

Thank you so very much for posting the scan of the book. I am really grateful to you for doing so!

I recently found out that my G g grandfather William Allender was captain of the 1st Lancashire rifle volunteers, so that might be part of the three generations!

Once again many thanks

best wishes

Avril

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