Smithmaps Posted 21 February , 2007 Share Posted 21 February , 2007 2. At Warlencourt - October 1916 - there was a mound called the "pimple" - there was pimple alley, snag trench and the tail. My understanding is that there was a little place called " the nose". It seems to be where the tail joined snag. Am I right? thanks for any help. Kathie With compliments Guy Note: Hook Sap is where a whole company of the 7th NF dissapeared to a man. http://www.fairmile.fsbusiness.co.uk/hooksap.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smithmaps Posted 21 February , 2007 Share Posted 21 February , 2007 A quick 3D view Guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joan and Terry Posted 21 February , 2007 Author Share Posted 21 February , 2007 My apologies to Joan, I seem to have kidnapped this thread! I won't be posting any more trenchmap extracts on this thread from this point on, as there are other places where I've offered to post scans on "trench map look-up" type threads. (Just for info, by the way, "Rats Alley" contains a gazetteer of trench map-references and not actual extracts) Over to you Joan! Dave Dave It never occurred to me that you were kidnapping this thread,any help given to members by anyone is welcome,as you know the book contains the names of some 10,000 trenches,included are a couple of 1:10,000 trench maps,all I can do is give members the gazetteer sheet number and name along with a map reference number.If you are prepared to also help members by using this thread,then there can be no problem,as I have said,I do not have access to the actual maps,just map references. Joan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joan and Terry Posted 21 February , 2007 Author Share Posted 21 February , 2007 Joan "Halifax" Brighouse and Hull trenches are mentioned in Bales 4th DOW( West Riding Regiment) History Around the cordonnerie Sector can you find any reference? Thanks Ady Ady, Have come across two trenches with the name Halifax Trench Halifax Trench 51bNW4 Fampoux/SW2 Vis-en-Artois H34 a,c,N4a,c Halifax Trench (1918) 57dNE&57cNW1 Courcelles F20b,d 21a four trenches with the name Hull Trench Hull Trench 36cNW3 Loos H 13b Hull Trench 51bNW1 Roclincourt B26 b Hull Trench 51bSW1 Neuville Vitasse M 4b Hull Trench (1918) 57dNE1&2 Fonquevillers E24 d From what I can make out from the book,it would seem that Hull Trench (1918) used to be called Hull Road,not sure if this information is of much use to you. Joan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joan and Terry Posted 21 February , 2007 Author Share Posted 21 February , 2007 Joan, This is very kind of you. I havent seen the book and dont want to even think of buying until have done so. Do you have any of the following: 1. Trenches created by the South AFricans at Marrieres Wood end of March 1918???? They used old trenches, made new ones and eventually surrendered. 2. At Warlencourt - October 1916 - there was a mound called the "pimple" - there was pimple alley, snag trench and the tail. My understanding is that there was a little place called " the nose". It seems to be where the tail joined snag. Am I right? thanks for any help. Kathie Kathie With reference to question (2), Guy has kindly printed a map of the area,as for (1),I cannot find any mention of Marrieres wood,that is not to say that it is not in the book,I will go and search through.Have not actually read all of the book,mainly searching through the trench names at present. Regards Joan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomdhu Posted 21 February , 2007 Share Posted 21 February , 2007 Hi, I'm eager to find out about 'Ravine Alley' which ought to have been a communication trench on 20 November 1917. What I have suggests it ran in a NE direction towards the Hindeburg Line at Flesquieres . Anything you have would be much appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dycer Posted 21 February , 2007 Share Posted 21 February , 2007 Tom, With a Surname like that can I assume a 51st(H)D connection? If so all the Pioneer Battalion says "The Battalion's role on the day of the battle and the following days was again the arduous one of being responsible for reconstructing the forward roads,which they succeeded in doing up to the Flesquieres ridge." George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomdhu Posted 21 February , 2007 Share Posted 21 February , 2007 Tom, With a Surname like that can I assume a 51st(H)D connection? George Hi George, Correct. My uncle 2nd Lt. Donald Grant was with the 1/6 Bn Seaforths ( 'C' Co). He was killed on the first day of the Cambrai battle near Ravine Alley and is buried at Orival Wood. Many thanks for the response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joan and Terry Posted 21 February , 2007 Author Share Posted 21 February , 2007 Hi, I'm eager to find out about 'Ravine Alley' which ought to have been a communication trench on 20 November 1917. What I have suggests it ran in a NE direction towards the Hindeburg Line at Flesquieres . Anything you have would be much appreciated. All I can see in the book is the following trench names that mention Ravine are Ravine (South of Beaumont Hamel) 57dSE1&2 Beaumont Ravine Alley 66cSW4 La Fere Ravine Avenue and shelter 62cNW1 Maricourt Ravine Copse (Redoubt) 62dNE2 Meaulte. Joan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomdhu Posted 21 February , 2007 Share Posted 21 February , 2007 All I can see in the book is the following trench names that mention Ravine are Ravine (South of Beaumont Hamel) 57dSE1&2 Beaumont Ravine Alley 66cSW4 La Fere Ravine Avenue and shelter 62cNW1 Maricourt Ravine Copse (Redoubt) 62dNE2 Meaulte. Joan Joan, Many thanks for that. The mystery deepens! Based on what I have seen elsewhere there may be a possibility that the trench in question was at some other time called Chapel Trench. Would your records show one such near Flesquieres? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparky53 Posted 22 February , 2007 Share Posted 22 February , 2007 Top of scan - Souchez has been included to help with your bearings. (Are you sure that Souchez II, and Angres I & II aren't actually defence lines rather than individual trench names?) Dave Thanks so much Dave, we have chatted before re my paternal rellies, now seeking out maternal side, at the moment Thomas Ridge. I really don't know if Souchez/Angres were defence lines, just going from 2 Northants War Diary:- It seems in May and June 1916 2 Northants were on the Somme. There is mention of them improving a trench and naming it STEELBACK 10/5/16 SOUCHEZ II relieved 23rd RF 11/5/16 ROTTEN ROW knocked down - 4 wounded 15/5/16 3 Killed; 3 wounded 31/5/16 TRENCHES - ANGRES I, ANGRES II & SOUCHEZ II 1/6/16 TRENCHES enemy attacks with mortars C Company Shelled Heavily 5/6/16 BILLETS. Thomas died at Barlin 1/6/16; Barlin being around 9 miles away so I guess he was one of those wounded 11/5/16 or 15/5/16 I found a website in which the same trench names appear:- http://www.nwbattalion.com/history4.html It would appear that Souchez II is a sector, been reading 28th North West battalion war diaries on line they mention Bosch Walk which is on your map & Rotten Row as though they are very close together, I can see what appears to be Ash Row on your map. am I misreading it? I looked on Google Earth & can actually see the line of Steelback!! Cheers Jane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joan and Terry Posted 22 February , 2007 Author Share Posted 22 February , 2007 Joan, Many thanks for that. The mystery deepens! Based on what I have seen elsewhere there may be a possibility that the trench in question was at some other time called Chapel Trench. Would your records show one such near Flesquieres? Tom. Cannot find a Chapel Trench near Flesquiers,the closest map reference I have come across near to Flesquiers is Marcoing 57CNE4,will carry on checking the trench names and locations to see if I can be of further help. Joan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john jerome mcmanus Posted 23 February , 2007 Share Posted 23 February , 2007 There's a trench named "Bull's Road" east of Flers. I take it this is the one you mean? Dave Spot on mate thank you very much Pop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat McLachlan Posted 23 February , 2007 Share Posted 23 February , 2007 Dave, Any luck with a trench map of Hamel/Vaire Wood after July 4, 1918? Cheers, Mat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CROONAERT Posted 23 February , 2007 Share Posted 23 February , 2007 Dave, Any luck with a trench map of Hamel/Vaire Wood after July 4, 1918? Cheers, Mat 'fraid not, Mat. I only have the odd German map (and some of them genuinely are odd! ) for that vicinity. I don't have any British maps at all for that area. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beau Geste Posted 25 February , 2007 Share Posted 25 February , 2007 We have a copy of Rats Alley Trench Names of the Western Front 1914-1918If there are any members searching for a particular trench on the Western Front,I will be more than happy to give you the locality. Joan Yes Joan, A couple of friends and I are off to The Somme again in April and one of the things I'd like to do is to find the place where Blood Alley trench was in 1916. A relative, serving with the 2nd Bn The Border Regt was wounded there on the first day. Any ideas? Harry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joan and Terry Posted 27 February , 2007 Author Share Posted 27 February , 2007 Yes Joan, A couple of friends and I are off to The Somme again in April and one of the things I'd like to do is to find the place where Blood Alley trench was in 1916. A relative, serving with the 2nd Bn The Border Regt was wounded there on the first day. Any ideas? Harry Harry, Sorry,the only trench name I can find is Blood trench at Roclincourt,which does seem rather strange,I would have thought there were quite a few trenches that began with blood or bloody,perhaps another member may be able to offer more information. Joan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beau Geste Posted 27 February , 2007 Share Posted 27 February , 2007 Harry, Sorry,the only trench name I can find is Blood trench at Roclincourt,which does seem rather strange,I would have thought there were quite a few trenches that began with blood or bloody,perhaps another member may be able to offer more information. Joan Thanks Joan, The name "Blood Alley" was in the 2nd Border's War Diary. It talked about - coming under heavy shell fire just before the attack on 1st July and went on to say that Mansel Copse got the worst of it. I assumed therefore that Blood Alley was somewhere in the same area. Harry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyhound Posted 27 February , 2007 Share Posted 27 February , 2007 Speaking of Roclincourt, a relative of a friend is buried in the cemetery there. We were trying to establish how he was killed, but the war diary for that day is uninformative, saying simply, “In the line”. Looking in the few days before, I was amused to find a reference to WIBBLE Trench. No mention of Captain Blackadder though … Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joan and Terry Posted 27 February , 2007 Author Share Posted 27 February , 2007 Wibble trench is in an area to the right of Roclincourt at a place named Oppy. Joan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyhound Posted 27 February , 2007 Share Posted 27 February , 2007 Thanks, Joan. I must have been almost within sight of it a ton of times. It will never seem the same again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john jerome mcmanus Posted 8 March , 2007 Share Posted 8 March , 2007 Dear Joan, If possible I would like a map showing the following trenches on one page: Bulls Road Grease Trench Stormy Trench Switch Line Fritz Folly These are all in the Flers sector Any help would be much appreciated Regards Pop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beau Geste Posted 15 March , 2007 Share Posted 15 March , 2007 Thanks Joan, The name "Blood Alley" was in the 2nd Border's War Diary. It talked about - coming under heavy shell fire just before the attack on 1st July and went on to say that Mansel Copse got the worst of it. I assumed therefore that Blood Alley was somewhere in the same area. Harry Hello Joan See my new posting on this topic under the heading Blood Alley not Blood Alley Trench. Harry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnr.ktrha Posted 16 March , 2007 Share Posted 16 March , 2007 Hello, I am researching an action fought near Cuinchy in Nov 1915. The RE's exploded a mine and members of the 2nd Argyll's took the crater and defended it against a German attack. I am trying to find the location of the action and I hope that you can maybe help? The information I have is from the Battalion War Diary. They were in a section of Trench called ''Z2 Section'', near a crater called ''Etna Crater'' which was South of the Etna Salient. The crater that was exploded was called Gibson Crater, after a Cpl Robert Gibson of the 2nd A&SH. If any of these places are listed in the book, I would be very happy to hear of thier location. Many thanks, Stewart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willy Posted 31 March , 2007 Share Posted 31 March , 2007 Looking for the front line around Mesnil, spring 1918 please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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