Chad Posted 29 November , 2003 Share Posted 29 November , 2003 I have the following Regimental & Divisional histories if anybody needs any assistance:- The East Yorkshire Regiment The West Yorkshire Regiment Duke of Wellington's Regiment Twentieth(light) Division Thirty Fourth Division 62nd (West Riding) Division Fiftieth Division Histories of Two Hundred & Fifty-one Divisions of The German Army 1914-1918 de Ruvigny's Roll of Honour Volumes 1 & 2 The Fifth West Yorks Does anybody have the 49th(West Riding) Division. I am not sure if one was printed? In return if anybody can assist with looking up any of the following fives names at the PRO to see if their service records exist, then i would be extremely grateful & will reimburse any costs. Fred Lambert, Driver 72969, "B" Bty. 92nd Bde, Royal Field Artillery died 12/02/1917 aged 41 Charles Edward Harding, Pte. 47290, 12th Bn West Yorks died 03/05/1917 aged 41 Jas. Hawkridge, Pte. 33402, 18th Bn West Yorks, died 05/05/1917 aged 36 Ernest Smith, Corp. R/25077, 18th Bn Kings Royal Rifle Corp, died 14/10/1918 Herbert Sutcliffe, Gunner 108053, 220th Siege Bty, Royal Garrison Artillery, died 06/02/1917 Thanks Chad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon R Posted 29 November , 2003 Share Posted 29 November , 2003 I will look in my files for a 49th Div. reference, memory seems to think that one exists. There is a decent WWII book on the 'Polar Bears'. D battery 245th Brigade RFA produced a unit history. Does your 62nd Div. history have any refs. to either Otley or Ilkey re: their howitzers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon R Posted 1 December , 2003 Share Posted 1 December , 2003 Try Magnus, L. 1920 'The West Riding Territorials in the Great War' (unknown publisher). Not seen it so if you get a copy let me know. Also Hughes, Lt.Col. F.K. 'Short History of 49th West Riding and Midland Infantry Division' (unknown date and publisher). This is referenced in Delaforce, P. 2001 'The Polar Bears. Monty's Left Flank; from Normandy to the relief of Holland with the 49th Division' Chancellor Press, London. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Posted 3 December , 2003 Author Share Posted 3 December , 2003 Does your 62nd Div. history have any refs. to either Otley or Ilkey re: their howitzers? Simon R, Nothing in the index, but i will have a look through over the weekend. Cheers Chad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted 3 December , 2003 Share Posted 3 December , 2003 This seems a good idea. I have the : 9th Division History 51st Highland Division History The Royal Scots battalions 1914-1918 awaiting the 15th Division History which is on order. Dittmar and Colledge - British Warships 1914 - 1919 will do look-ups. Aye Malcolm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon R Posted 4 December , 2003 Share Posted 4 December , 2003 Chad, The Laurie Magnus book looks like the one to get - details on [url=http://www.abebooks.co.uk (don't search under 'Magnus, L.' unless you want Russian ballads - search in title for 'the west riding territorials') £75-£110 but looks the business - forward by Haig apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Posted 4 December , 2003 Author Share Posted 4 December , 2003 Simon R, Thanks for that. Looked them up & they do look the business. I will try Leeds Library first & if they dont have a copy, then looks like a Christmas present to myself. Cheers Chad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Posted 7 December , 2003 Author Share Posted 7 December , 2003 Simon R, Could not trace any references to Ilkley or Otley. Would you like me to look up specific batteries? Regards Chad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon R Posted 8 December , 2003 Share Posted 8 December , 2003 Chad, The two towns were howitzer brigades and so are D batteries - D battery 245th Brigade for Ilkley and D battery 246th Brigade for Otley. Any info. much appreciated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinWills Posted 8 December , 2003 Share Posted 8 December , 2003 The N&M Reprints indicate on the cover that there is a 49th Div History, though I don't have details of it - I assume it is the volume to which SimonR refers. Hughes, Lt.Col. F.K. 'Short History of 49th West Riding and Midland Infantry Division' (unknown date and publisher). I have come across references to: A short history of the 49th (West Riding and North Midland) Infantry Division Cole, Howard 1956 UnPub 10 maps on 7 sheets and 22 page foolscap copy typescript The History of the West Riding Territorials by Magnus chronicles the 49th and 62nd Divs (there is also an extensive 62nd div history). Magnus provides an extensive listing of awards to units in both divisions, including 245th (1st W R) and 246th (2nd W R) Brigade RFA as well as 247th (3rd W R) Brigade RFA but no roll of honour. It does, usefully, provide regimentally numbers for the decorated men. The work is more focussed on the "Territorials of the West Riding" than specifically the two divisions, though it does major on them. It does not ignore the other units, such as the Yeomanry, where W. R. Territorials made their mark. Haig's foreward is very brief commenting on the value of the territorials and their value in bridging the gap between the regulars who went to France and Flanders in late 1914 and the Kitchener battalions. Haig also notes the brilliant contribution made by the 62nd Div. at Cambrai. There is no index, which can be rather frustrating. The West Riding Territorials in the Great War Magnus, Laurie Lon. Kegan Paul, Trench Trubner & Co 1920 324pp The History Of The 62nd (West Riding) Division 1914-1919 Wyrall, Everard 2 Vols, John Lane The Bodley Head 1924-1925 Hope this is useful. Martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon R Posted 10 December , 2003 Share Posted 10 December , 2003 There is no index, which can be rather frustrating. I spend a lot of time indexing unit histories, war diaries, personal diaries, photograph albums etc, etc to make them a usable resource, it pains me no end on picking up 'the book I've been looking for' and find no flipping index. Oh well, keeps me busy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinWills Posted 10 December , 2003 Share Posted 10 December , 2003 Simon, Are there any useful indexs (indices?) you have created that you might be happy to share - particularly for published volumes? I am sure a number of Pals would find them of great interest. Martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Posted 15 December , 2003 Author Share Posted 15 December , 2003 Hi Simon R, Could not trace any refs to 245th & 246th Brigade in 62nd West Riding Divisional history, only refs to 310th, 311th & 312th Brigades of Artillery. Also, i can confirm that Leeds Reference library does hold a copy of "The West Riding Territorials in the Great War". Unfortunately, you cannot take it away, but very interesting from the quick look i had. It may be awhile before i have chance to have a good look through, but i will bear the howitzers in mind & let you know any details. Regards Chad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon R Posted 17 December , 2003 Share Posted 17 December , 2003 Hi Chad, I had a look at WRTITGW (if you see what I mean) at Leeds Library on Monday, very interesting but a bit worthy, a lot of detail that needs clarifying, corroborating and investigating further esp. Haldane reforms in this area and Lord Harewoods involvement (esp. in regard to raising of local TF artillery, changes from engineers to artillery, liason with other landed gentry re: land for training, digging practice trenches etc). The medal index at the back is useful but a little, well not misleading, more perfectly accurate. Because it's listed by unit and artillery brigades underwent several confusing reorganisations during WWI, you can find one man in two or three units - without any indication of a time frame for all this, you could get quite confused. So the listing for 245th brigade RFA looks initially to be full of unknowns until you realise that the list doesn't take into account any of these changes. You could be mistaken in thinking that a man physically left one unit and joined another several times, but this isn't the case - the unit just changed it's name and organisational structure, he didn't get posted to a unit full of people he didn't know. The brigades you've got from 62nd div. will be the 3rd line 4th WR brigade RFA recruits (obviously) and did contain a lot of blokes from my area but it's a big enough job trying to look after one battery let alone a whole brigade in another division. 62nd may have spent some time in the wharfedale area training, have you any idea about this? Simon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Posted 18 December , 2003 Author Share Posted 18 December , 2003 Hi Simon, We must have just missed each other, as i was in the Library last monday between 12 & 1pm. Could not see any mentions from the Divisional history of the 62nd in the Wharedale area. Did you get my e-mail off forum regarding another book i came across in the Library namely " A Saturday Night Soldiers war 1913-18" by Norman Tennant, who was from Ilkley and was a signaller with 11th howitzer Battery? Regards Chad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu Posted 21 December , 2003 Share Posted 21 December , 2003 Malcolm, Could you tell me what the 11th Royal Scots were upto at the time of 3rd Ypres,I'am particularly interested in trying to find a mention in the war diary/regimental history of a 270255 Cpl Donald Campbell who was awarded the MM which was gazzetted in Jan 1918. Many thanks for any help you can give me. Stu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner R.A. Posted 10 April , 2004 Share Posted 10 April , 2004 Hello Chad, is there any chance you could look in your book on the Duke of Wellington's and see if it mentions anything about the 10th Bn, 69th Brigade, 23 Division on the 18th and 19th of October 1917, a soldier i am researching died of wounds on the 19th (enemy shellfire). I believe that they were involved in the "first battle of Passchendaele", Third Ypres at this time. Any help would be appreciated, yours, Peter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Posted 11 April , 2004 Author Share Posted 11 April , 2004 Peter, I am sorry, i should have specified that the History of the Duke Of Wellington's Regiment in my possession, only covers the 1st & 2nd Battalions. Chad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner R.A. Posted 11 April , 2004 Share Posted 11 April , 2004 No problem, thanks anyway Chad, yours, Peter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doogal Posted 3 August , 2004 Share Posted 3 August , 2004 Hi Chad, If you are still offering a look-up for the Duke of Wellington's Regiment, I would be grateful for your help: I'm trying to find out what happened to the 2nd Duke of Wellington's Regiment, part of the 4th Division between about the 25th April and 9th May 1917. The reason is that my gt grandfather went through the casualty system on about the 27th April, but I can find no mention of them being in the line at the time. Their war diary states they were in reserve, but the field ambulances relevant to them denote a high quantity of casualties being assessed at the same time. I wondered if they came under bombardment whilst in reserve, or were on the wrong end of a gas attack? With thanks doogal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Posted 6 September , 2004 Author Share Posted 6 September , 2004 Doogal, Apologies, i have been away & only just spotted your e-mail. Unfortunately, no mention of the 2nd Battalion during that period, but a few pages on the 1st Battalion. Sorry Chad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rflory Posted 6 September , 2004 Share Posted 6 September , 2004 I have a copy of The West Riding Territorials in the Great War. It has a listing by unit of all the awards to the 49th and 62nd Divisions in the Great War. I also have A Record of D 245 Battery, 1914-1919 and War Services of the 62nd Divisional Artillery in the Great War. I would be happy to look up individual names. Regards. Dick Flory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon R Posted 10 September , 2004 Share Posted 10 September , 2004 Dick, Is your copy of D245 signed? Any indications as to who it belonged to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rflory Posted 11 September , 2004 Share Posted 11 September , 2004 Simon wrote: Is your copy of D245 signed? Any indications as to who it belonged to? Simon: It is not signed. It is ex-library. Regards. Dick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Reeves Posted 14 September , 2004 Share Posted 14 September , 2004 In case anyone needs any assistance I have: "The History of The Queen's Royal (West Surrey) Regiment in the Great War" by Wylly "The Seventh Division: 1914-1918" by Atkinson and "Croydon and the Great War" by Moore (not a Regt. or Div. history per se, but does mention many men from Croydon who served). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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