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auchonvillerssomme

Does anyone have a picture of HMS Genista. mined 23/10/1916.

Mick

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Jarvis

I have some notes on the Genista but no picture I'm afraid. My notes indicate HMS Genista was torpedoed by U57 on the 22 or 23 October 1916 and not mined.

HMS Genista

23/10/1916

Off W Coast of Ireland

Torpedoed

http://www.memorials.inportsmouth.co.uk/sh..._losses_ww1.htm

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HMS Genista, Clyde Warship 1916-2-22

Launched by Napier & Miller, 22/2/1916, and torpedoed in 1916.

http://www.clydesite.co.uk/clydebuilt/wars...sel.asp?id=4573

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HMS Genista 1916 Torpedoed by U-57 23 Oct 1916

SLOOP MINESWEEPER - 1,250 tons

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Some of those killed

LUFF George Daniel Petty Officer Stoker 307166 Royal Navy HMS'Genista' Lost when the Flower Class Sloop was torpedoed in the North Sea 23 October 1916. Aged 28. Son of Mr & Mrs Luff of Strettington. Husband of Mrs Nellie Louisa Luff of Halnaker. Commemorated on The Portsmouth Naval Memorial, Southsea.

FUNNELL Walter Stephen toker 1st Class K. 27981, H.M.S. "Genista, Royal Navy. Lost when the Flower Class Corvette was torpedoed in the North Sea on 23rd October 1916. Aged 18. Son of Peter & Eliza Funnell of East Lodge, Handcross Park. Commemorated on The Portsmouth Naval Memorial, Southsea. MR. 3.

42933, DARGAN, GEORGE, MEO, HAMPSHIRE, PORTSMOUTH, 1916, 23-Oct, SMN. 5062.B. RNR HMS"GENISTA".KILLED IN ACTION WITH SUBMARINE

42953, DAVIES, PERCY, MEO, HAMPSHIRE, PORTSMOUTH, 1916, 23-Oct, 22, 1894, STO.1ST.CL. K/28610. RN HMS"GENISTA". KILLED IN ACTION WITH SUBMARINE

Fowler Fred First J / 47458 Ord.Seaman HMS Genista Royal Navy 23 October 1916 21

Edward Daysh (son of Joseph Daysh and Caroline E Lowe) was born 1888, and died October 30, 1916 in At sea on HMS Genista.

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As for the U-57, she sunk fifty five ships for a total of 91,680 tons and one warship, HMS Genista, at 1,250 tons. Her greatest success was the sinking of the British vessel Rovanmore, at 10,320 tons, in October 1916. The submarine survived the war and was scrapped in Cherbourg in 1921.

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auchonvillerssomme

DOH!!! i knew it was torpedoed, no idea why i put mined! :lol: she didn't have a long life.

I have an interest in William Warrener, named on local memorial.

Mick

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SiegeGunner

Mick,

No pic of Genista, but this is Snapdragon, another Arabis class sloop, which was virtually identical.

Mick

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clive_hughes

Mick,

some more HMS GENISTA casualties, from Anglesey:

COTTON, Charles Thomas AB Wales Z/2879 RNVR. Aged 23. Born Holyhead, Anglesey. Taken on strength 15 January 1916; previous employment in Carriage Dept., London & North Western Railway. No previous sea experience. Address: 3 Bodlondeb Terrace, Holyhead. His ?younger brother Harold Cotton was R/4256 in the RNVR, also died of wounds with the "Hawke" Battalion, Royal Naval Division in France on 9 October 1918 (nearly two years later).

JONES, William AB Wales Z/2881 RNVR. Aged 17. Address: 2, London Road, Bodedern, Valley, Anglesey. Taken on strength 18 January 1916; previous employment farm labourer at Carregfawr, Holyhead. A relative (? older brother) Robert Richard Jones of the same address was a Private in the 17th Battn., Royal Welsh Fusiliers and killed in action at Ypres on 28 August 1916 (two months earlier).

Both men came from a few miles apart and enlisted within a couple of days of each other: the families of both lost their brothers also. Like their ship, their war service was measured in months rather than years.

LST_164

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historydavid

Mick,

On October 1916 Sloop HMS Genista, built 1916, 1,250 tons, was torpedoed by German submarine U 57 in 51.26N, 13.10W, SW from Cape Clear, , Ireland, Atlantic Ocean with the loss of 79 lives.

WARRENER, WILLIAM, O.S., J 47467 (Po), GENISTA, 23/10/2016, SHIP LOSS.

Best wishes

David

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auchonvillerssomme

Thank you everyone. He's another one added to my list of rediscovered.

Mick

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Guest dehwall
Does anyone have a picture of HMS Genista. mined 23/10/1916.

Mick

Take a look at http://www.oldships.org.uk/SHIPS/SHIP_HTM/Genista.htm

My father in law is looking for information on a ship (possibly a trawler) that his father served on, that was converted to have two bows for ramming?, and came in contact with a german submarine dropped a depth charge and reversed back over it and split itsself in two and the surviving crew were washed up in a remote part of Ireland. He can remember his mother having a telegram reporting his fathers death, but some of the crew, his father included turned up a few months later OK, or so the story goes. I'm not sure whether the submarine was sunk or not...

Any ideas?

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spithead
Take a look at http://www.oldships.org.uk/SHIPS/SHIP_HTM/Genista.htm

My father in law is looking for information on a ship (possibly a trawler) that his father served on, that was converted to have two bows for ramming?, and came in contact with a german submarine dropped a depth charge and reversed back over it and split itsself in two and the surviving crew were washed up in a remote part of Ireland. He can remember his mother having a telegram reporting his fathers death, but some of the crew, his father included turned up a few months later OK, or so the story goes. I'm not sure whether the submarine was sunk or not...

Any ideas?

Dehwall

The picture above is the WW2 Genista, built 24.7.41 and scrapped 1961.

Regards John

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Guest stevecarter

My Grand farther was one on the twelve survivors from the Genista. Looking for info on what happened to them, evidently picked up by a fishing boat. ( Theodore Carter ) age 16.

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horatio2

From "British Warships Losses ..." (David Hepper):-

"A search by the sloops ZINNIA and CAMELLIA found only wreckage and bodies, but a determined search by Admiral Bayley in the light cruiser ADVENTURE succeeded in locating two floats with six survivors at 10.45pm and then a further six on another float twenty minutes later. Seventy-three men were lost." [Kew ADM 137/1254]

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Guest Allison white

I have family medals belonging to lieutenant commander John white captain of HMS Genista. He was on HMS Africa previous to that, which I believe was the first aircraft carrier. Still trying to find any living relatives.

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The Inspector

Hi Allison

Welcome to the forum.

How far have you got with your tree? It appears from the 1881 census that John has been given a middle name 'A' ?. The address 6 Dulwich Road on the baptism records (1.10.1879) is also that on the census but he doesn't have a middle name when baptised. He was born 23.7.1879. 3 sisters Jane, Mary and Florence.

1901 at the Royal Naval College, Portsmouth.

Looked at Winifred Ethel Williams, his wife born 6.2.1879 died 1972 Aldershot but I can't find any living relatives either....will keep searching

Regards Barry

From the marriage cert. 18.10.1913 it appears that her father was Joseph Powell Williams, MP,PC. He died 1904 but the marriage cert. does not state deceased! Buried Key Hill Cemetery, Birmingham.

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GeorgeProw
On 2/15/2016 at 2:21 AM, Guest stevecarter said:

My Grand farther was one on the twelve survivors from the Genista. Looking for info on what happened to them, evidently picked up by a fishing boat. ( Theodore Carter ) age 16.

Hi Steve - My Great Grandfather survived the Genista sinking. His name was William Felton. It would be great to share any information we have on the event. All the best, George. 

gprow@hotmail.com - feel free to email me. Thanks

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PHoath

I have just come across this thread. My great-aunt was Winifred White (nee Williams). She married John White in the church where the memorial is located. There are some descriptions of the wedding in newspapers of the time (18th October 1913). They had no children. Her father was Joseph Powell Williams M.P.. There is a description of the sinking if H.M.S Genista in 'Bayly's War' by Steve Dunn. Attached is a picture of John White.

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regards

Mike

 

 

 

 

 

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PHoath

Also attached is a picture of a cap band for H.M.S. Genista. 

 

regards

Mike

 

 

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Bob Easby

I am helping to research the backgrounds of the 1245 lads lost in WW1, named in the Stockton on Tees book of remembrance. One listing simply states James Beattie 'stoker' HMS Marguerite. I have spent a lot of time looking at this, and can only find one who fits the James Beattie, stoker and lost/died profile, and this person was lost when The Genista was torpedoed. These observations, and the fact that the two ships were exactly the same class suggest that this is 'our man', and that whoever compiled our remembrance book was given the wrong ship name. Can anyone shed any further light? Also This chap's birthplace was in Paisley, Scotland, and his family address after his death given as Paisley also. I am struggling to find the link to Stockton (Teesside, border of Durham/N.Yorks). There are a number of soldier/sailors in this book with only a tenuous link  to the town.

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seaJane

This is the CWGC record for the James Beattie age 22 lost in GENISTA (sunk by U-57 on 23 Oct 1916), which I suspect you may have found - https://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/2875647/beattie,-james/. His service record is here https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D6981306 and I've had a look at the preview; there is no sign that he was ever on MARGUERITE.

 

The only other James Beattie on CWGC was an AB RNVR, in the Hawke Battalion of the Royal Naval Division, whose father lived in Arbroath.

 

I tend to agree with you that the ship is the error, but it's a fairly large one and I can't account for the lack of Stockport connection unless (say) his mother was from there.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Bob Easby

Thanks SeaJane, Yes I had seen the documents from your links. There are a number of WW1 dead who are listed in Stockton's book, for whom we cannot as yet link to the town. Their details etc tally but in many cases the last reference we have is the 1911 census if their war records were lost (and the Scottish 1911 census is difficult to access). One example is a soldier by the name of Joseph Bailey from established Midlands families, who was born and bred near Wolverhampton (still there in 1911) and ended up in the Tyneside Scottish/Northumberland Fusiliers, I found that he enlisted in Stockton. His parents still lived in Bilston Staffs after his death. As an iron worker I can only assume he moved to Teesside for employment. 

I digress, the book of remembrance doesn't have all of our lost WW1 lads either, we keep finding 'extras', so it may well be that much of the information was given to the compilers by family/friends.

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