Northern Soul Posted 18 December , 2006 Share Posted 18 December , 2006 Terry, Please can you check out: Pte. Thomas Higgins, 4912 (1/5th) King's Own Royal Lancaster Regt, k.i.a. 5/9/16. Can you also confirm from the G.R,.O. Index that 240115, Sgt. Charles Lund (of the same Regiment) died in 1917 and not 1916. Cheers. Andy, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John84 Posted 18 December , 2006 Share Posted 18 December , 2006 Terry, Please can you check out: Pte. Thomas Higgins, 4912 (1/5th) King's Own Royal Lancaster Regt, k.i.a. 5/9/16. Can you also confirm from the G.R,.O. Index that 240115, Sgt. Charles Lund (of the same Regiment) died in 1917 and not 1916. Cheers. Andy, Andy is this not him John http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=465802 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Soul Posted 18 December , 2006 Author Share Posted 18 December , 2006 It is indeed. Many thanks. Andy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manchester regiment Posted 18 December , 2006 Share Posted 18 December , 2006 according to the regimental nominal roll of the 1/5th batt,sgt lund was killed on 4-6-16,not 1917,bernard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Soul Posted 18 December , 2006 Author Share Posted 18 December , 2006 according to the regimental nominal roll of the 1/5th batt,sgt lund was killed on 4-6-16,not 1917,bernard Thanks Bernard. According to CWGC he was killed 18th March 1917...................according to Soldiers Died he was killed on 4th October 1916. The nominal roll indicates it was the 4th June 1916. The G.R.O Index will probably say '1918' at this rate! Any more permutations? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Soul Posted 18 December , 2006 Author Share Posted 18 December , 2006 Andy is this not him John http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=465802 I'm perplexed by this one. His MIC mentions only the King's Own - not the East Lancs. Regt. Why then would it be necessary to qualify his service in such a way if he had never served abroad with the EL? Surely it would have just been a simple regimental transfer? Co-incidentally the man buried next to him, Pte. C. Gawne, has the same regimental pedigree. All suggestions welcomed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Hartley Posted 18 December , 2006 Share Posted 18 December , 2006 Andy It'll be worth asking Terry D to have a nosy at his hard copy of the cemetery register to eliminate the possibility that an error has crept in to the online entry. There is also the possibility that this is simply weird sh*t affecting the 1/5th King's Own. You may recall you & I discussing a large batch of 6th Cheshires seemingly wandering round the Somme getting killed with assorted units (inc the 1/5th) but without their original unit being changed. Were Lund & Gawne KIA? If so, then it may be possible to identify which of the two units was in the immediate area of the cemetery - I was able to sort out a few of the Cheshires like this. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Denham Posted 19 December , 2006 Share Posted 19 December , 2006 Sorry for the delay....popped over to Arras last night on a special mission. The original 1925 CWGC register gives 03.09.16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Soul Posted 19 December , 2006 Author Share Posted 19 December , 2006 ....popped over to Arras last night on a special mission. As you do........ So, the "official" date would appear to be 03.09.16. Any ideas why the database now says 18.03.17? It seems an unlikely scanning error. (I think we'll ignore the Soldiers Died and Medal Roll dates for the moment!) Best wishes. Andy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Soul Posted 19 December , 2006 Author Share Posted 19 December , 2006 Andy It'll be worth asking Terry D to have a nosy at his hard copy of the cemetery register to eliminate the possibility that an error has crept in to the online entry. There is also the possibility that this is simply weird sh*t affecting the 1/5th King's Own. You may recall you & I discussing a large batch of 6th Cheshires seemingly wandering round the Somme getting killed with assorted units (inc the 1/5th) but without their original unit being changed. Were Lund & Gawne KIA? If so, then it may be possible to identify which of the two units was in the immediate area of the cemetery - I was able to sort out a few of the Cheshires like this. John It is most peculiar, it has to be said. It's actually Higgins and Gawne (rather than Lund) who have the strange entries. Both men's MIC's give no hint of service with the East Lancs. and both are listed as being in Territorial Bns. of the King's Own in Soldiers Died, so it is very puzzling why their secondment (? - because they don't seem to have been transferred) from the East Lancs even gets mentioned. Maybe I'll never know. Andy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Denham Posted 19 December , 2006 Share Posted 19 December , 2006 My previous post related to HIGGINS. LUND's 1922 register entry says 18.03.17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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