judy94 Posted 8 December , 2006 Share Posted 8 December , 2006 Dear all, I have in my possession a Passport sized booklet containing a Photo of a Grave and data on my Great Great Uncle who died in the Great War of 1918. I have visited the War Graves commission site and can find no reference to him and even the position of the Grave he is buried in! I have a Number that you can quote for Info regarding this person,address to the Dir Gen of War Graves. Is this number still relevant and how can I contact them for info? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rugby-137 Posted 8 December , 2006 Share Posted 8 December , 2006 Hi Jud Have you got a name and a cemetery for your gg uncle? Regards Phil Henry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
judy94 Posted 9 December , 2006 Author Share Posted 9 December , 2006 Hi Jud Have you got a name and a cemetery for your gg uncle? Regards Phil Henry Thanks for you communication, His name is Edward Brown and the Position of the Grave is:Monchy-au-Bois. British Cemetery. He served with 1/5 Manchester Regiment as a L/Cpl. I can not find him listed in the Medals Rolls or War Graves. In the Picture Photo of his Grave I can vaguely see a Reg number and Date of Death:2053?? and 27-02-18. I cannot be sure about the accuracy of the figures 3 & 2. I could be mistaken for 2 & 3 respectively. Is this any use? Thanks again Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelPack Posted 9 December , 2006 Share Posted 9 December , 2006 Hello judd Is this your great uncle? http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=178177 Regards Mel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelPack Posted 9 December , 2006 Share Posted 9 December , 2006 and this could be his MIC with a NA typo on the regimental number: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documen...;resultcount=20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Morgan Posted 9 December , 2006 Share Posted 9 December , 2006 I wonder if your soldier is 200305 L/Cpl. Edward Brown 1/5th Bn. Manchester Regiment Died of Wounds 27.03.18 Born Adlington, Chorley, and enlisted in Wigan. If this is him, he is buried in Bucquoy Road Cemetery, Ficheux. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Morgan Posted 9 December , 2006 Share Posted 9 December , 2006 I should have added that the burials in Monchy-au-Bois cemetery were moved to Bucqouy Road Cemetery after the war. The Graves Registration Unit photo you have shows the grave before the graves (I think there were only 14) were moved. Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelPack Posted 9 December , 2006 Share Posted 9 December , 2006 Tom Is that a conscript regimental number or a TF renumbering? Regards Mel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Morgan Posted 9 December , 2006 Share Posted 9 December , 2006 Tom Is that a conscript regimental number or a TF renumbering? Regards Mel Sorry, Mel, I don't know which, but hopefully someone who can tell us will be a long in a minute. Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
judy94 Posted 11 December , 2006 Author Share Posted 11 December , 2006 and this could be his MIC with a NA typo on the regimental number: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documen...;resultcount=20 Thanks again, I dont think it is him because he was a L/Cpl and his service number does not match.You can imagine the difficulty finding a specific person with such a common english name as Edward Brown! Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
judy94 Posted 11 December , 2006 Author Share Posted 11 December , 2006 I should have added that the burials in Monchy-au-Bois cemetery were moved to Bucqouy Road Cemetery after the war. The Graves Registration Unit photo you have shows the grave before the graves (I think there were only 14) were moved. Tom By jove, I believe you have found him! his parents lived in Adlington,Chorley. His Father worked as a Gardner for Lord Crawford at Haigh Hall near Adlington.His nethew was a casualty of the second world war and was cripled,ony able to walk with the aid of crutches.I believe his service medals were taken from him by Home help service assistant with other possessions.I remember looking in his draw and seeing them. According to my research the Manchester Regiment were made up of TF recruits. Have you got the address to view his details? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelPack Posted 11 December , 2006 Share Posted 11 December , 2006 Peter From tom's information fron SDGW (elistment in Wigan) it looks as if your mand could have been a pre-war TF. The 200305 looks like a 1917 renumbering so as a second or third number that he had, it would not necessarily turn up in a NA search - as with his designation as L/Corporal. There appears to be about half a dozen potential candidates: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documen...mp;mediaarray=* Your only way of knowing is to download the MICs until you hit the right one with the final number of 200305. It would be well worth it, you could end up with a g/uncle who fought at Suez, gallipoli and Passchaendale. Regards Mel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelPack Posted 12 December , 2006 Share Posted 12 December , 2006 Hello Jud This one is definitely your man: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documen...;resultcount=17 His original TF number was 1861. The 5th Manchester was renumbered in early 1917 and the four digit numbering was replaced by six digit numbering. The 5ths were allocated the bloc from 200001 to 250000. There is a transcription error on the NA search. The number should be 200305 as per the CWGC but it is transcribed as 2150305 (seven digits!). If you download the MIC it will have KIA or DOW on 27/3/18. You will also have the date of entry into the theatre of war. Let us know the outcome. Regards Mel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelPack Posted 12 December , 2006 Share Posted 12 December , 2006 Hello Peter Just go to the link on my post 13 and press the 'add to shopping' button. You will need a credit/debit card to pay the £3.50 fee. By the way, it will be one of six cards in a bloc. The history of the 42nd Division is on the main site at: http://www.1914-1918.net/42div.htm It will be interesting to see if the date of entery on the MIC is 25/9/14. Regards Mel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
judy94 Posted 14 December , 2006 Author Share Posted 14 December , 2006 Hello Peter Just go to the link on my post 13 and press the 'add to shopping' button. You will need a credit/debit card to pay the £3.50 fee. By the way, it will be one of six cards in a bloc. The history of the 42nd Division is on the main site at: http://www.1914-1918.net/42div.htm It will be interesting to see if the date of entery on the MIC is 25/9/14. Regards Mel Hi Mel, I have been thinking ...not too much? I remember looking at the census records for tracing Edward Brown around the turn of the century,living in Haigh near Chorley.Because that is were my mother said he lived with his family.There was a number of similar people with corresponding detail? write again my session time is running out! Thanks Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
judy94 Posted 18 December , 2006 Author Share Posted 18 December , 2006 Hi Mel, I have been thinking ...not too much? I remember looking at the census records for tracing Edward Brown around the turn of the century,living in Haigh near Chorley.Because that is were my mother said he lived with his family.There was a number of similar people with corresponding detail? write again my session time is running out! Thanks Peter Mel Are you still here or have you packed it in? I have down loaded the MIC as you stated. The details appear to be written in a language, possible Arabic or something. I suppose you can translate into a recognised format for a novice who’s not too bright! I was unsure if the MIC was the one because the Service numbers on his grave stone does not match! Is this expected? I thought that I should mention a tragic story that occurred this time in 1911 (21st Dec, 1911 to be precise). Where I live in Westhoughton, near Bolton, in the morning at around 8am, 344 Colliery workers down a mine died, when a gas lamp ignited methane. Only 3 people survived the tragic event. Not just one but many per family...Father, Brother, Uncle, Son. only 7 years later the same number died again during WW1. When you consider that around that period the town had a small urban population….These two tragic events were felt by most of the people and lasted long after. Who would provide for them when the bread winners had gone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
judy94 Posted 30 December , 2006 Author Share Posted 30 December , 2006 Hi Mel, I have been thinking ...not too much? I remember looking at the census records for tracing Edward Brown around the turn of the century,living in Haigh near Chorley.Because that is were my mother said he lived with his family.There was a number of similar people with corresponding detail? write again my session time is running out! Thanks Peter When I downloaded my MIC from NA I noticed that the Reg No box contained 14 different identity numbers? Also two separate Date of Entrys: 25/09/14 and 9/10/15.All with the Rank of Pte.I havent figured out the other transcription yet.It appears that he was awarded many medals for his bravery in the midst of battle. why did they march forward in line? It seams logical to me to hide behind a form of protective shield instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian turner Posted 30 December , 2006 Share Posted 30 December , 2006 Peter, Why don't you post the image of the MIC? Maybe some of the more expert pals on here might help decipher/explain the squiggles! Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Posted 30 December , 2006 Share Posted 30 December , 2006 Hello Jud All the six cards on the download sheet do not relate to your GGUncle Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
judy94 Posted 4 January , 2007 Author Share Posted 4 January , 2007 Peter, Why don't you post the image of the MIC? Maybe some of the more expert pals on here might help decipher/explain the squiggles! Ian I have tried to insert the image of the MIC without success? How is it done. Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian turner Posted 4 January , 2007 Share Posted 4 January , 2007 Peter, The image must be less than 100 mb to be accepted, so if too large a file size it will need reducing. Work via the 'Add Reply' button to post once you have saved the reduced image. Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
judy94 Posted 5 January , 2007 Author Share Posted 5 January , 2007 I will send it one at a time( 3 images) Doc1.doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
judy94 Posted 5 January , 2007 Author Share Posted 5 January , 2007 Peter, The image must be less than 100 mb to be accepted, so if too large a file size it will need reducing. Work via the 'Add Reply' button to post once you have saved the reduced image. Ian Doc2.doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelPack Posted 5 January , 2007 Share Posted 5 January , 2007 Hello Peter None of the four cards that you have linked thus far is your man. Can you link the remaining two of the six? regards Mel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian turner Posted 6 January , 2007 Share Posted 6 January , 2007 Hello Jud This one is definitely your man: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documen...;resultcount=17 His original TF number was 1861. The 5th Manchester was renumbered in early 1917 and the four digit numbering was replaced by six digit numbering. The 5ths were allocated the bloc from 200001 to 250000. There is a transcription error on the NA search. The number should be 200305 as per the CWGC but it is transcribed as 2150305 (seven digits!). If you download the MIC it will have KIA or DOW on 27/3/18. You will also have the date of entry into the theatre of war. Let us know the outcome. Regards Mel This is the lowest card of the second posting of the MIC images. You can see the poor writing of his 200*** number being the reason for the transcription error. But it looks like a 1916 card or later, with no additional info. Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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