carolgriff Posted 25 November , 2006 Share Posted 25 November , 2006 Hi This is my g grandad John Henry Ramshaw. He was born Trimdon Co Durham 1873 and died in a army pensions hospital sunderland 1921. He is shown to be a coal miner on certificates , census etc but we are thinking maybe he served in WWI. CAN ANYONE SHED ANY LIGHT? CAROL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pte1643 Posted 25 November , 2006 Share Posted 25 November , 2006 Carol. Any chance of a bigger scan of the cap badge? There are a few J (John) Ramshaws that appear on the NA medal index, but NO John Henry's. There are a couple of possibilties in both the Durham Light Infantry and the Lancashire Fusiliers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carolgriff Posted 25 November , 2006 Author Share Posted 25 November , 2006 Hi If you knew how long it took me to do this scan, expect the cap badge in 6 months time, i honestly havent got a clue with sizing. Sorry carol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonseagrave Posted 25 November , 2006 Share Posted 25 November , 2006 There's a possible Northumberland Fusilier as well, plus a couple of Royal Engineers. Many miners were in the RE's because of tunnelling skills for laying mines, etc. Will need a closer scan of that cap badge though to narrow it down! Good luck Jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carolgriff Posted 25 November , 2006 Author Share Posted 25 November , 2006 Thanks Jon One day I will learn how to do it. Someone suggested the uniform was pre WW1 so maybe he wasnt in the war. His son joined the Royal Artillery 1925 so maybe he followed in his dads footseps. I ned to get hospital records where he died also, maybe that will help. Bye for now carol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carolgriff Posted 25 November , 2006 Author Share Posted 25 November , 2006 Hope the Cap is here:) Carol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pte1643 Posted 25 November , 2006 Share Posted 25 November , 2006 There's a possible Northumberland Fusilier as well, plus a couple of Royal Engineers. Many miners were in the RE's because of tunnelling skills for laying mines, etc. Will need a closer scan of that cap badge though to narrow it down! Good luck Jon Just going on the shape of the cap badge, I'd discounted both the N.F. and R.E. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carolgriff Posted 25 November , 2006 Author Share Posted 25 November , 2006 Thanks trouble is, even if I order the medal cards I will be none the wiser as the ones I have dont show home addresses etc. If anyone knows the age of the uniform, eg pre or during WW1 then this may be a big clue. carol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint Posted 25 November , 2006 Share Posted 25 November , 2006 The cap badge looks like Royal Artillery. He is wearing an economy issue jacket, which would date the picture 1915-17. Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonseagrave Posted 25 November , 2006 Share Posted 25 November , 2006 Yes, does look like could be Royal Artillery. Pretty sure not any of our other suggestions, though at a push you can maybe possibly squint and see DLI. Or maybe just me! On the NA there is a MIC for J Ramshaw, Gunner 65657 Royal Garrison Artillery... Jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay dubaya Posted 25 November , 2006 Share Posted 25 November , 2006 Just gonna put a spanner in the works.... this is not a Royal Artillery badge, I'm out for a couple of hours but will come back and explain.......Jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carolgriff Posted 25 November , 2006 Author Share Posted 25 November , 2006 The suspense:) carol... who also has to go out- 23rd wedding anniversary celebrations- mine so no choice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Stewart Posted 25 November , 2006 Share Posted 25 November , 2006 If this isn't a Royal Artillery cap badge seen this way, then I'll eat hay with a cuddy. Graham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Stewart Posted 25 November , 2006 Share Posted 25 November , 2006 And here they both are the right way round. The one in the cap has had a battering. Graham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilB Posted 25 November , 2006 Share Posted 25 November , 2006 I`m also dubious about the artillery badge. Unless the badge is somewhat distorted. Phil B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnreed Posted 25 November , 2006 Share Posted 25 November , 2006 I agree Graham, I wore one for 27 years. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcerha Posted 25 November , 2006 Share Posted 25 November , 2006 If its not an RA badge then what is it? Everything points to it being a Royal Artillery capbadge - nothing else comes close IMHO! David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonseagrave Posted 25 November , 2006 Share Posted 25 November , 2006 I agree. The majority of the badge looks like it can be nothing else. There's definitely something slightly odd about it in the 'scroll' area at the bottom; it looks out of proportion. Damage, possibly, as said? Been searching loads of cap badge photos; Cyclist Corps badge of course has a wheel (which this definitely has) but much larger in proportion to the rest of the badge. Anyway, he's J Ramshaw and there aren't many of 'em; the man for my money is old Gnr 65657, RGA! Jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carolgriff Posted 25 November , 2006 Author Share Posted 25 November , 2006 Hi Thanks for the amazing responses, that cap does seemt o have gone through the mill doesnt it! Before i get the medal card for J Ramshaw, can i ask what the refiment no stands for- is it his individual number cos if so it would seem he is called Joseph see below Medal card of Ramshaw, J Corps: Royal Garrison Artillery Regiment No: 65657 Rank: Gunner 1914-1920 WO 372/23 Medal card of Ramshaw, Joseph Corps: Royal Garrison Artillery Regiment No: 65657 Rank: Bombardier 1914-1920 Carol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonseagrave Posted 26 November , 2006 Share Posted 26 November , 2006 Begad, you're right! He's got two medal cards in there. So much for the 'quick check'. So not him. OK, next up- a daft question: are you sure 100% his forenames are in the right order? I ask because he may have been called 'John' by the family yet that might have been his middle name; christened 'Henry John', perhaps? This sort of thing comes up quite frequently. I spent ages looking for a relative called 'Jack Henry' only to find the 'Jack' was just a completely spurious nickname of his! I'm 98% percent certain that badge is Royal Artillery, and chaps better qualified than me seem to concur. The uniform is WW1 period. There are two Henry Ramshaws listed in the MIC's in the artillery. Will sleep on it! Jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carolgriff Posted 26 November , 2006 Author Share Posted 26 November , 2006 Hi Hes definately John Henry ramshaw- got his birth, marriage and death certs, but on one census he was caled ralph- other Johns and Henrys in the house??????? Ralph is a family name as is Henry- also known as Harry. Take your pick. He always gave John henry on certs so im thinking he would have signed up as this, this is what makes me think is he in pre war uniform? carol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay dubaya Posted 26 November , 2006 Share Posted 26 November , 2006 Doh.......did I drop my spanner in here! After long resizing and toning I have to say that I 'm wrong, I can't possibly say that the badge is anything else but Artillery. I do think that he is a territorial soldier, there are 2 glistening dots on his left shoulder which I think is a T/RGA shoulder title. Did the RGA wear darker trousers? Maybe pre 1914 and should he be wearing a lanyard?.......Graham do you have any spare hay to stuff in my nosebag? cheers, Jon congratulations Carol on 23 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carolgriff Posted 26 November , 2006 Author Share Posted 26 November , 2006 Hi Many thanks again for all responses. So now I can work on that he was a terrotorial soldier and he had a shoulder title and that this may be pre 1914. All new stuff for me as i am family history mainly- military is new to me but fascinating- after doing this mans sons war service- WW2 FEPOW etc Im hooked and so now have something to work on. Now doubt more questions will follow. Thanks to all- and thanks for the congrats re 23 years Carol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Sweeney Posted 26 November , 2006 Share Posted 26 November , 2006 Hi Many thanks again for all responses. So now I can work on that he was a terrotorial soldier and he had a shoulder title and that this may be pre 1914. All new stuff for me as i am family history mainly- military is new to me but fascinating- after doing this mans sons war service- WW2 FEPOW etc Im hooked and so now have something to work on. Now doubt more questions will follow. Thanks to all- and thanks for the congrats re 23 years Carol Carol, This can not be a pre-1914 photo. The Service Dress jacket (termed "simplified") he is wearing was pattern approved in Nov 1914 and not generally issued in any quantity until fairly far into 1915. However, the photo is definately wartime. Joe Sweeney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonseagrave Posted 27 November , 2006 Share Posted 27 November , 2006 Hi Carol; Approaching this scientifically....! Either he's signed up as Henry (or they've recorded him as such anyway) or he was in the Artillery and was then transferred to another regt. The MIC / medal rolls need only record the regiment the soldier was in when he qualified for the respective medals. Presuming he joined up post-1915 to the Artillery (thus missing an Artillery entry for a 1914/5 Star), he may then have transferred to another regt- which would have been the one recorded for allocating the Victory/ BW medals. My great-grandfather had a spell at the beginning of the war attatched to the Royal Flying Corps, which is recorded for his 1914 star; he did all his other service with the Service Corps. His RFC stint goes completely unrecorded anywhere in his service history except on this tiny note on the MIC; if it had been in 1916- and therefore no medal- then I'd never have found out! Which goes to show how easily illustrious chunks of a soldiers' career can disappear. Following this thread with interest! Jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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