gnr.ktrha Posted 21 November , 2006 Share Posted 21 November , 2006 Hello, Does anyone have any information on what battle patches were worn by the 17th Division in 1916? In particular I am keen to know what 50th Brigade wore and the 10th West Yorkshire Regiment. I understand the whole Division was wearing the Divisional flash by the end of the war, but I have seen a photo of the 10th Sherwood Foresters in 1916 wearing a coloured circular patch. And i also understand that the 10th Lanc fusiliers wore a rectangle patch which was devided into two colours. I have a copy of the men at Arms series book on great war patches, but it does not give any detail of this early period. Any help would be great. Regards, Stewart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnr.ktrha Posted 23 November , 2006 Author Share Posted 23 November , 2006 Hello, Is there a Divisional History book for them and is there any reference to their battle patches in it? Regards, Stewart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roger Posted 23 November , 2006 Share Posted 23 November , 2006 Stewart, I have the Div. History and I'm afraid there is no reference to battle patches. Roger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom compton Posted 23 November , 2006 Share Posted 23 November , 2006 stewart i think the 17th english division had a square and rectangle but i am not sure tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Holmes Posted 26 November , 2006 Share Posted 26 November , 2006 Stewart, I believe the 50th Brigade wore a rectangle, the 51st a circle and the 52nd, a square, the battalions had their regimental colours on the patch. The 10th Sherwood Foresters wore a circle with the left half in green and the right half in red. Hope it helps. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnr.ktrha Posted 26 November , 2006 Author Share Posted 26 November , 2006 Hello John, That's great. Do you happen to know what colour the 10th W.Yorks wore, they were in the 50th brigade? Regards, Stewart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mruk Posted 26 November , 2006 Share Posted 26 November , 2006 Hello Stewart, This is the insignia for the 17th [Northern] Division. Other than this, I have no further info--though see: http://www.westernfront.co.uk/thegreatwar/...badges/div2.jpg Cheers Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle bill Posted 6 December , 2006 Share Posted 6 December , 2006 this is the insignia as it was really worn. I have two tunics badged up to the 17th Northern Division. I believe this patch worn in the later stages of the war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MACRAE Posted 6 December , 2006 Share Posted 6 December , 2006 Hello Stewart, This is the insignia for the 17th [Northern] Division. Other than this, I have no further info--though see: http://www.westernfront.co.uk/thegreatwar/...badges/div2.jpg Cheers Dave I have one of these div insignia for 17th did not know it was ww1 Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mruk Posted 6 December , 2006 Share Posted 6 December , 2006 I came across a photo today of a 10th WY man wearing uniform. On his right cuff were three chevrons, and on the arm itself was one stripe, with what I can only describe above it as a braided laurel wreath. PBI has told me that the man may have been a Lewis or Hotchkiss Gunner. Can anyone clarify please? Kind Regards, Dave PS: I couldn't make out the divisional or unit flash, but it was square as opposed to rectangular as in Uncle Bill's photo above. Thanks for the picture 'Bill'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle bill Posted 6 December , 2006 Share Posted 6 December , 2006 probably a lewis gunner's badge. The square will have been part of the divison's battle patch scheme. The chevrons date the photo to no earleir than feb 18. The divisional flash was worn towards October I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mruk Posted 6 December , 2006 Share Posted 6 December , 2006 Thanks 'Bill', I couldn't see anything between the laurel leaves, but it was the shape of a horseshoe. Thanks for the info on the chevrons and 'square'. Cheers, Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Thompson Posted 12 December , 2006 Share Posted 12 December , 2006 Hello Stewart, This is the insignia for the 17th [Northern] Division. Other than this, I have no further info--though see: http://www.westernfront.co.uk/thegreatwar/...badges/div2.jpg Cheers Dave Hello Stewart, I am new on this site, my grandad was in this Division and I found the following site http://www.1914-1918.net/17div.htm and on the header page is the Div flash. The square is the top of the One and the rectangle is the top of the severn, I hope this helps to clear it up for you. Cheers Roger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mruk Posted 12 December , 2006 Share Posted 12 December , 2006 Hello Roger. Welcome. Any link to the 17th Division is appreciated. Who did your Grandfather serve with if you don't mind me asking? Cheers, Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeppoSapone Posted 12 December , 2006 Share Posted 12 December , 2006 Hello John, That's great. Do you happen to know what colour the 10th W.Yorks wore, they were in the 50th brigade? Regards, Stewart According to my reference the 10th West Yorks wore a maroon rectangle with a green central bar. Source: Major John Waring's pamphlet, No 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeppoSapone Posted 13 December , 2006 Share Posted 13 December , 2006 Hello, Does anyone have any information on what battle patches were worn by the 17th Division in 1916? In particular Stewart Stewart I am pushed for time, and tired, tonight. However, if you do a list of what you want to know I will look the units up in Waring for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Thompson Posted 13 December , 2006 Share Posted 13 December , 2006 Hello Roger. Welcome. Any link to the 17th Division is appreciated. Who did your Grandfather serve with if you don't mind me asking? Cheers, Dave Hi Dave, sorry I got the wrong nam, as I said I am new to this. My grandfather was in the 7th Battalion York and Lancaster Regiment that landed in France on the 13/07/1915, and checking with the Regimental Museum in Rotherham they confirmed it all to me. It took me over a year to do this, if I had known about this Forum before it might have saved a lot of head bashing. Cheers Roger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle bill Posted 13 December , 2006 Share Posted 13 December , 2006 Hello Beppo sorry for bothering you but I too am trying to establish the battle patch scheme for the 17th div. Any help would be very much appreciated. No rush, I too know what it is like to be busy and tired ! All the best Lawrence Brown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeppoSapone Posted 14 December , 2006 Share Posted 14 December , 2006 Well, I have had a quick look at Major Waring's pamphlet and found some information. As any who have seen it will know, it's not that easy to find anything in the pamphlet! I have found some 17 Division related information. I am not sure if I have missed others, or if Major Waring did not record the unit. If anyone has any specific requests let me know, and I will take another look at the weekend, if not before. I didn't find much for 50 Brigade: 10th West Yorks wore a maroon rectangle with a green central bar. 7th East Yorks wore a red rectangle with a white cental stripe with a black central line. A ribbon 3" by 1.5". More luck with 51 Brigade: 7th Lincolns wore a dark green felt disc, 2" in diameter. 7th Border wore a yellow felt disc, 2" in diameter. 8th South Staffs wore a black felt disc, 2" in diameter. 10th Sherwood Foresters wore a brown felt disc, 2" in diameter. 52 Brigade: 9th Northumberland Fusiliers wore a brown 'V' on a dark green felt square with six inch sides - worn on back. 10th Lancashire Fusiliers wore a dark red and light yellow felt rectangle. A Company - Vertical - dark red left and light yellow right. B Company - Vertical - light yellow left and dark red right. C Company - Diagonal - dark red over light yellow. D Company - Diagonal - light yellow over dark red. 9th Duke of Wellingtons wore a maroon felt rectangle 2.5" by 2". 12th Manchesters ORs wore an upright rectangle, dark green on the left and dark yellow on the right. Made of cotton/braid 12th Manchester Officers wore a silk rectangle, green over yellow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle bill Posted 14 December , 2006 Share Posted 14 December , 2006 fantastic. Many, many thanks, you have made my day. If ever you come across the Green Howards and Dorsets for the 50th brigade then please let me know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mruk Posted 14 December , 2006 Share Posted 14 December , 2006 This is good stuff, Beppo You have helped to fill in a few gaps. Cheers, Dave PS: I have also seen titles on the upper arm-"West Yorkshires"-Does Major Waring say anything about these? Thanks Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AIF Posted 14 December , 2006 Share Posted 14 December , 2006 Well, I have had a quick look at Major Waring's pamphlet and found some information. As any who have seen it will know, it's not that easy to find anything in the pamphlet! I have found some 17 Division related information. I am not sure if I have missed others, or if Major Waring did not record the unit. If anyone has any specific requests let me know, and I will take another look at the weekend, if not before. I didn't find much for 50 Brigade: 10th West Yorks wore a maroon rectangle with a green central bar. 7th East Yorks wore a red rectangle with a white cental stripe with a black central line. A ribbon 3" by 1.5". More luck with 51 Brigade: 7th Lincolns wore a dark green felt disc, 2" in diameter. 7th Border wore a yellow felt disc, 2" in diameter. 8th South Staffs wore a black felt disc, 2" in diameter. 10th Sherwood Foresters wore a brown felt disc, 2" in diameter. 52 Brigade: 9th Northumberland Fusiliers wore a brown 'V' on a dark green felt square with six inch sides - worn on back. 10th Lancashire Fusiliers wore a dark red and light yellow felt rectangle. A Company - Vertical - dark red left and light yellow right. B Company - Vertical - light yellow left and dark red right. C Company - Diagonal - dark red over light yellow. D Company - Diagonal - light yellow over dark red. 9th Duke of Wellingtons wore a maroon felt rectangle 2.5" by 2". 12th Manchesters ORs wore an upright rectangle, dark green on the left and dark yellow on the right. Made of cotton/braid 12th Manchester Officers wore a silk rectangle, green over yellow. BeppoSapone: Do you know where I can obtain a copy of Major Waring's Pamphlet No. 2 ? Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnr.ktrha Posted 14 December , 2006 Author Share Posted 14 December , 2006 Hello, That is great! I had read that the Div. wore the dot dash badge later in the war, and had seen some 1916 dated photo's of units of the Division wearing ''Battle patches'' so it is now great to know what they were. Thanks for taking the time to look the information out and thank you everyone for all of your input. Regards, Stewart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeppoSapone Posted 14 December , 2006 Share Posted 14 December , 2006 fantastic. Many, many thanks, you have made my day. If ever you come across the Green Howards and Dorsets for the 50th brigade then please let me know. Pleased to hear that it was of use to you. I will take another look at the pamphlet for the units you are interested in, and get back to you in the next few days. It ought to be a lot easier with just two units to look for. I have the badges of a man who was in the Dorsets in 17 Division in WW1. I have the cap badge and the red rectangle with the white "number tops" on it. The man later became a member of the Royal Artillery, possibly as an officer in WW2? IIRC his name was Captain Wilson. I will see if there is anything that could be a WW1 colour patch included with this stuff as soon as I come across the cigar box with it in. I have moved three times in the past five years and do not know where anything is any more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeppoSapone Posted 14 December , 2006 Share Posted 14 December , 2006 This is good stuff, Beppo You have helped to fill in a few gaps. Cheers, Dave PS: I have also seen titles on the upper arm-"West Yorkshires"-Does Major Waring say anything about these? Thanks Dave Dave I will look for details and get back to you in a day or two. I suspect that any mention of "West Yorkshires" titles will be titles worn by the West Yorkshires in general and not just by the battalion in 17 Division. First war titles are often white lettering on khaki, and that includes the slip on types too. Anyway, I will check and get back to you, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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