WhiteWolf Posted 17 November , 2006 Share Posted 17 November , 2006 Hi Pals Real simple question - well it will be for someone Is the West Yorkshire Rgt (Prince of Wales Own) Same as the The 15th (Service) Battalion West Yorkshire Regiment I would like to put together a database of the The 15th (Service) Battalion West Yorkshire Regiment (Leeds Pals), but don't want to add the Lads I've found belonging to the Prince of Wales Own if they were different regiments. Once I have the database I can then start to research more fully. Cheers in advance Andy (still the new boy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Posted 17 November , 2006 Share Posted 17 November , 2006 They are one and the same. Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteWolf Posted 17 November , 2006 Author Share Posted 17 November , 2006 Cheers Andy Told you it would be easy for someone. Did they keep the Pals nickname throughout the War or did they become just the PWO at somepoint? Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Hartley Posted 17 November , 2006 Share Posted 17 November , 2006 Andy You should always ask your "brother". John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteWolf Posted 17 November , 2006 Author Share Posted 17 November , 2006 Andy You should always ask your "brother". John Yes DAD Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyspiller Posted 17 November , 2006 Share Posted 17 November , 2006 John Sorry, this is an Andy thread! Kind Rgds Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteWolf Posted 17 November , 2006 Author Share Posted 17 November , 2006 Go on Andy You tell him Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Hartley Posted 17 November , 2006 Share Posted 17 November , 2006 Andy S You said I could I could be an honorary Andy, cos I got a bro-in-law called Andy. I may have to reconsider my position and become a Steve. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muerrisch Posted 17 November , 2006 Share Posted 17 November , 2006 Hey Hey! Don't mislead the man: the two are NOT the same. The REGIMENT comprised many battalions: regular, special reserve, service and territorial. The 15th battalion were just a small part of the regiment. You surely don't want to cover the whole regiment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteWolf Posted 17 November , 2006 Author Share Posted 17 November , 2006 Hey Hey! Don't mislead the man: the two are NOT the same. The REGIMENT comprised many battalions: regular, special reserve, service and territorial. The 15th battalion were just a small part of the regiment. You surely don't want to cover the whole regiment? Thanks Grumpy Nope not the whole regiment (well not just yet anyway ) I would like to start with just The 15th (Service) Battalion West Yorkshire Regiment (Leeds Pals) Small steps and all that. Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pighills Posted 17 November , 2006 Share Posted 17 November , 2006 Hi Andy Just in case you didn't know (and it may save you some work) there's already a website devoted to the Leeds Pals here: www.leedspals.co.uk/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteWolf Posted 17 November , 2006 Author Share Posted 17 November , 2006 Hi Andy Just in case you didn't know (and it may save you some work) there's already a website devoted to the Leeds Pals here: www.leedspals.co.uk/ Thanks PH this was the site I found info about my Great Uncle on Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteWolf Posted 18 November , 2006 Author Share Posted 18 November , 2006 Supplementary question please Would all the service numbers of the "Pals" from The 15th (Service) Battalion West Yorkshire Regiment be preceded with 15. i.e. 15/1338 Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Hartley Posted 18 November , 2006 Share Posted 18 November , 2006 Andy Much depends on your definition of "Pals" I've just had a quick nosy at my copy of Soldiers Died and my guess is the 15/ prefix only relates to the original batch of recruits. The highest number I see there is 15/1951. I presume these are the men who first went abroard Then it goes on to the more usual five-digit numbers that I'd associate with a Service Battalion (i.e. one formed just for the War). The lowest/highest I see in this range is 19704/65148. I assume these would be later replacements. Nothing in this research lark is easy! John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteWolf Posted 18 November , 2006 Author Share Posted 18 November , 2006 Cheers John I think as this is my first piece of research I should stick to the "Pals" those with the 15/ prefix (small steps and all that). Could you give me more details of the book 'Soldiers Died' please and is it one I should have on my bookshelves? Andy P.S. As there seems to be just under 2000 "Pals" I still got a long way to go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pighills Posted 19 November , 2006 Share Posted 19 November , 2006 Andy - there is a very good book called: 'Leeds Pals' by Laurie Milner, isbn number 0-85052-335-4 which may well be a good starting/reference point for you. We acquired ours from The National Archives but you should be able to order it from just about anywhere with the isbn number. There will be other books as well I should imagine, but I can only speak for the above. Good luck with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteWolf Posted 19 November , 2006 Author Share Posted 19 November , 2006 Andy - there is a very good book called: 'Leeds Pals' by Laurie Milner, isbn number 0-85052-335-4 which may well be a good starting/reference point for you. We acquired ours from The National Archives but you should be able to order it from just about anywhere with the isbn number. There will be other books as well I should imagine, but I can only speak for the above. Good luck with it. Cheers Pighills SWMBO has got me this for a stocking filler Regards Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Hartley Posted 19 November , 2006 Share Posted 19 November , 2006 Andy Soldiers Died is a CD-ROM which will cost you an arm and a leg (beyts part of £300 from memory - I have a very generous family who bought it for me as "group Xmas present". The originals were booklets published just after the War for each regiment. It might be worth you looking out for a West Yorks volume rather than the full CD. Apart from basic service details, it'll give you place of birth/enlistment/residence. If you're going to develop a passion for a single battalion (and I rather suspect we've hooked you now), then it probably should be on the shelf. Abebooks currently shows one (a modern reprint) available for £25. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Broomfield Posted 19 November , 2006 Share Posted 19 November , 2006 Andy S You said I could I could be an honorary Andy, cos I got a bro-in-law called Andy. I may have to reconsider my position and become a Steve. John Well, hang on there. The Steves would have to go into some form of convocation to see if we wanted you And, on topic, it seems that many of the 'Pals' battalions pre-fixed the original recruits with the battalion number. For example, I know the 13th Y&L (Barnsley) did, and the other Y&L battalions seem to have, as well, so I think it must have been pretty widespread. Once the casualties started coming, the ranks would have been filled from the reserve battalions; in the case of the 15th W Yorks, it would have been the 19th and 20th battalions, which had been formed from the depot companies of the 15th, 17th, 16th and 18th Battalions (1st and 2nd Leeds and 1st and 2nd Bradford respectively). Eventually, reinforcements would come from just about anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tafski Posted 19 November , 2006 Share Posted 19 November , 2006 believe the leeds pals ceased to be known as the leeds pals on the 1st july 1916, original 1914 volunteers survived and served with 15th and later 15th/17th battalion quote laurie milner bruce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteWolf Posted 19 November , 2006 Author Share Posted 19 November , 2006 Thanks Pals All this info is being stored for futher reference Regards Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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