scottiow Posted 12 November , 2006 Share Posted 12 November , 2006 Can anybody help me understand my great-grandfathers naval service record. I am having trouble understanding the names of the ships. I know vivid 2 was a naval base in Devenport, but the names of the ships and the name in the brackets are getting me confused, for example there was an HMS Columbine but also a HMS Valkyrie. So if it says Columbine(Valkyrie) what was the name of the ship he served on. Any details of any ot the ships would also be a help I have attached the record Thanks for any help. Alvon_george_rogers_service_history.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatio2 Posted 12 November , 2006 Share Posted 12 November , 2006 Where one of two ships' names appears in brackets, the former is the name of the Accounting Base (for ships that did not keep their own pay accounts) and the name in brackets is the name of the ship the man actually served in. In this case he served in HMS VALKYRIE which was a tender to HMS COLUMBINE, a TBD base near Rosyth. Type in "COLUMBINE" in the forum search facility and see what you get. His enlistment papers are held at the Fleet Air Arm Museum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottiow Posted 12 November , 2006 Author Share Posted 12 November , 2006 Where one of two ships' names appears in brackets, the former is the name of the Accounting Base (for ships that did not keep their own pay accounts) and the name in brackets is the name of the ship the man actually served in. In this case he served in HMS VALKYRIE which was a tender to HMS COLUMBINE, a TBD base near Rosyth. Type in "COLUMBINE" in the forum search facility and see what you get. His enlistment papers are held at the Fleet Air Arm Museum. Thanks very much, great help scott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
per ardua per mare per terram Posted 12 November , 2006 Share Posted 12 November , 2006 He served on 2 destroyers His Majesty's Ships Vehement (she was completed as a mine layer) and Valkyrie (she was a Flotilla Leader). Destroyers only had limited range and capasity so operated from depot ships that provided stores, mail, and pay etc. He was on board and survived when Vehement hit a mine and sank on the night of 1/2 August 1918. Vehement is illustrated here http://www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk/esco...#HMS%20Vehement Valkyrie is illustrated here http://www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk/valkyrie.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boilerman Posted 5 February , 2010 Share Posted 5 February , 2010 Hi Scott, my Grandfather was serving on Valkyrie alongside your GGFather. Edward Prestidge - also a stoker. My PDF of his record and that of the next rating in the ledger - who was also a Stoker on Valkyrie! is 108k so I can't upload it here. But if you want to view it it's at the world naval ships dot com forum > royal navy ships and crews > jump to page 7. My goal is to find out more about the engine room crew of Valkyrie there's a photo of 14 of them ( whole compliment? ) Ted has arms crossed on the right under gun barrel. Do you have any photos of Alvon and his crewmates? Which one is Alvon in my photo? Regards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinBattle Posted 5 February , 2010 Share Posted 5 February , 2010 HMS Valkyrie seemed to have been involved in an incident in December 1917 According to Geoffs search of CWGC database there were 21 casualties during the War, which might help with some of the crew... 001 ADAMS J 309198 HMS VALKYRIE 22/12/1917 ROYAL NAVY 002 BORLAND H J/66507 HMS VALKYRIE 04/01/1918 ROYAL NAVY 003 BRAUND PC K/25852 HMS VALKYRIE 23/12/1917 ROYAL NAVY 004 BRAY TT K/17988 HMS VALKYRIE 23/12/1917 ROYAL NAVY 005 BREAKENRIDGE WM J/47167 HMS VALKYRIE 22/12/1917 ROYAL NAVY 006 CLUNES A J/52685 HMS VALKYRIE 22/12/1917 ROYAL NAVY 007 DEAN H 221561 HMS VALKYRIE 26/12/1917 ROYAL NAVY 008 DUTTON W K/17319 HMS VALKYRIE 23/12/1917 ROYAL NAVY 009 GRANT AE K/34135 HMS VALKYRIE 03/01/1918 ROYAL NAVY 010 HACKER A K/16789 HMS VALKYRIE 23/12/1917 ROYAL NAVY 011 HIGGINSON SR 312196 HMS VALKYRIE 22/12/1917 ROYAL NAVY 012 MACLEOD S 187756 HMS VALKYRIE 22/12/1917 ROYAL NAVY 013 MATTHEWS WHD J/76047 HMS VALKYRIE 22/12/1917 ROYAL NAVY 014 MAY F K/6271 HMS VALKYRIE 22/12/1917 ROYAL NAVY 015 MURRAY N 288452 HMS VALKYRIE 22/12/1917 ROYAL NAVY 016 OUGH EF K/5203 HMS VALKYRIE 23/12/1917 ROYAL NAVY 017 PRICE OWN K/8915(DEV.) HMS VALKYRIE 26/12/1917 ROYAL NAVY 018 SPENCE DP M/23146 HMS VALKYRIE 22/12/1917 ROYAL NAVY 019 THORNE TS K/37442 HMS VALKYRIE 22/12/1917 ROYAL NAVY 020 TOWL J 301983 HMS VALKYRIE 22/12/1917 ROYAL NAVY 021 WARD J K/8525 HMS VALKYRIE 22/12/1917 ROYAL NAVY I haven't found any details of why so many crew died in December 1917, but perhaps a magazine or boiler explosion, or a collision.... I'm sure a Pal on here will know!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terence Munson Posted 5 February , 2010 Share Posted 5 February , 2010 Hi Valkyrie Was one of a group of eight destroyers despatched from the Harwich force to escort a convoy from the Dutch coast. She struck a mine at 10.15pm on 22nd Dec.'17, five miles west of Maas light. Thick banks of drifting fog confused the situation but Valkyrie remained afloat and was eventually towed to safety by Sylph. At 3.15am (23rd) Torrent manoeuvring to pick up men seen in the water also struck a mine, she broke in two and sank quickly, only seven men survived of the crew of one hundred and five. Surprise and Tornado were also sunk in similar circumstances on the 23rd with heavy loss of life. Cheers, Terry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinBattle Posted 5 February , 2010 Share Posted 5 February , 2010 Thanks, Terry, 3 ships lost and one damaged - quite a nasty incident, and obviously Valkyrie got off lightly in the circumstances... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
per ardua per mare per terram Posted 5 February , 2010 Share Posted 5 February , 2010 Welcome to the former boiler, Some records at the UK National Archives, Kew, that might be of interest: Her ships logs from ADM 53/66755 VALKYRIE 1917 June 16 - 1917 July 31 to ADM 53/66762 1918 Nov. 1 - 1918 Nov. 30 ADM 116/1617 H.M.S. SURPRISE TORRENT and TORNADO Loss of - and damage to H.M.S. VALKYRIE 1918 ADM 137/3707 Loss of HMS SURPRISE, HMS TORRENT and HMS TORNADO and damage sustained by HMS VALKYRIE 1917 Dec 23-Dec 26 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boilerman Posted 6 February , 2010 Share Posted 6 February , 2010 Thanks for the list Kevin, you've saved me some slogging! I was aware that Petty Officer Adams had died in 1917, he was laid to rest at Wembdon Road Cemetry - Bridgwater Somerset. Sorry to Scott - I seem to have hi-jacked your topic. I'll let the mods know, perhaps they could move the Valkyrie crew list to a new location... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
per ardua per mare per terram Posted 6 February , 2010 Share Posted 6 February , 2010 Have you seen his service register? Name Adams, James Official Number: 309198 Place of Birth: Bridgwater, Somerset Date of Birth: 03 June 1883 http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documen...p;resultcount=1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boilerman Posted 6 February , 2010 Share Posted 6 February , 2010 Not seen their registers as yet - still at the early stages, and being tighter than the proverbial.... I reckon it'll be cheaper than £3:50 a pop to see who else is generous enough to post the pdf on the forums Cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottiow Posted 7 February , 2010 Author Share Posted 7 February , 2010 Wow i have alot of catching up to do. I have just got back from a weekend away and seen all this. Boiler thanks for getting in touch i am currenly in the waiting to be allowed full access to the other forum but cant wait to see whats theres. Dont worry about hijacking this thread its all excellent stuff so dont think it need sorting. Thanks for all the info from the other members too. Just about to read it all abit more in depth. thanks again scott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boilerman Posted 8 February , 2010 Share Posted 8 February , 2010 Have you seen his service register? Name Adams, James Official Number: 309198 Place of Birth: Bridgwater, Somerset Date of Birth: 03 June 1883 http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documen...p;resultcount=1 Thanks loads for the tip-off about her ships log Per! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
per ardua per mare per terram Posted 8 February , 2010 Share Posted 8 February , 2010 Glad to help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolmprowse Posted 12 February , 2013 Share Posted 12 February , 2013 HMS Valkyrie - my Grandfather was an engineer on this ship from it's early days, through the incident off Maas (where he was awarded the DSM) I would love to see the photo!! Malcolm Prowse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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