alliekiwi Posted 12 November , 2006 Share Posted 12 November , 2006 I just saw this button on ebay and am wondering its origin. The seller wonders if it is from a Scottish regiment, no doubt because on the reverse it has 'Gardiner & Co Glasgow'. However, since it has an elephant with a castle-looking thing on its back, I'm pondering the idea that it might be a London regiment? Of course, there's the possibility that it's not a military button at all. Any thoughts? Allie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themonsstar Posted 12 November , 2006 Share Posted 12 November , 2006 Hi The Duke of Wellington's West Riding Regiment use to have a elephant on there button's, also the H.L.I. had one on there cap badge. As did the 1st Dumbartonshire Volunteer Rifle Corps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Stewart Posted 12 November , 2006 Share Posted 12 November , 2006 The elephant is also portayed on the buttons of the 74th, 76th & 78th Regiments of Foot - the 74th with palm leaves, QVC instead of houda and motto "Assaye" - 76th with houda and "Hindostan Peninsular" - 78th with QVC and "Assaye-Maida-Java". Last pattern H.L.I. was similar to the cap badge. I can't read the motto and it could well be a livery button, but wonder if it's also Indian Army?? Graham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alliekiwi Posted 12 November , 2006 Author Share Posted 12 November , 2006 I did vaguely wonder about it being Indian, with the elephant. But were their uniforms and buttons etc made in the UK, or at home in India? I think the first two words say 'Fortitudo et', but the last word/s is/are a bit tricky to make out. Maybe 'Fortitudo et Fidelitas'? Allie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alliekiwi Posted 12 November , 2006 Author Share Posted 12 November , 2006 Dumbartonshire Volunteer Rifle Corps, pre WW1, apparently. Good pick, themonsstar! In service between 1887 and 1908. A badge to match came up on ebay a month ago. Allie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7t2ndswinger Posted 12 November , 2006 Share Posted 12 November , 2006 Dumbartonshire Volunteer Rifle Corps, pre WW1, apparently. Good pick, themonsstar! In service between 1887 and 1908. A badge to match came up on ebay a month ago. Allie That cap badge gets sold monthly by the same seller. Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alliekiwi Posted 12 November , 2006 Author Share Posted 12 November , 2006 You mean it's fake (reproduction)? Or do they just have heaps of them? Allie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7t2ndswinger Posted 12 November , 2006 Share Posted 12 November , 2006 You mean it's fake (reproduction)? Or do they just have heaps of them? Allie Spot on with the first question. Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alliekiwi Posted 12 November , 2006 Author Share Posted 12 November , 2006 That's terrible! I mean I know caveat emptor and all that - especially with ebay. But you'd think they'd have to put that they are copies, somewhere on the advertisement for what they're selling! The way it's carefully worded, one assumes that it is the real deal. "A genuine badge in very good condition" Allie seething Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7t2ndswinger Posted 12 November , 2006 Share Posted 12 November , 2006 That's terrible! I mean I know caveat emptor and all that - especially with ebay. But you'd think they'd have to put that they are copies, somewhere on the advertisement for what they're selling! The way it's carefully worded, one assumes that it is the real deal. "A genuine badge in very good condition" Allie seething I've tried before to point out this seller's wares observing the forums rules. Search for the thread a couple of pages back "same badge different listing" or something like that. Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max7474 Posted 12 November , 2006 Share Posted 12 November , 2006 Wishing to keep within the rule s a few facts. 1. That particular seller has sold the same pattern badges again and again and again over the last few years. 2. I know one chap who paid £100 for a Guards MG Bn badge only to find that the seller listed the same pictured badge again the next week. 3. John Gaylor's book comments that you should always beware dealers with the same rare badges with a seemingly unceasing suppy and I think that applies to many ebay sellers. 4. Ebay do not care as people selling copies are generating them a lot of profits and as the recent BBC documentary showed Ebay is full of fakes. 5. It is a real shame becasue people are destroying a hobby by selling so many fakes that people give up collecting in despair. Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Broomfield Posted 12 November , 2006 Share Posted 12 November , 2006 since it has an elephant with a castle-looking thing on its back, I'm pondering the idea that it might be a London regiment? Goin' dahn the Elephant for some pie and a mash and few jellied eels.....I like your thinking, Allie Could've been off a Pearly King's outfit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alliekiwi Posted 12 November , 2006 Author Share Posted 12 November , 2006 Goin' dahn the Elephant for some pie and a mash and few jellied eels.....I like your thinking, Allie Could've been off a Pearly King's outfit! Well, one should cover all possiblities, you know, when researching. *pious look* I think it's terrible that ebay can't police their site a bit better. But the almighty £ and $. *sigh* Allie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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