Armoured Farmer Posted 12 November , 2006 Author Share Posted 12 November , 2006 Mark, Again, thanks for such a full and informative answer. Best Regards Farmer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ciaran Byrne Posted 26 November , 2006 Share Posted 26 November , 2006 The follwing passage is taken from my forthcoming book (whenever it eventually goes to print!!!) As far as 5th Lancers are concerned the following officers offered to resign their commissions: Lieutenant-Colonel Arthur Parker Major James Bruce Jardine Captain A. G. McLintock Captain Herbert Maddick Captain Henry Alexander Cooper Captain Vane de V. Mortimer Vallance Lieutenant Brian Winwood-Robinson Lieutenant J A Batten-Pooll Lieutenant George Critchett Juler Lieutenant E. Ramsden Lieutenant Alistair I. MacDougall Lieutenant John Arthur Talbot Rice Lieutenant Hon Herbrand Charles Alexander Second-2nd Lieutenant E W Robinson Second-2nd Lieutenant William H Coulter Second-2nd Lieutenant C H Stringer Second-2nd Lieutenant John Dudley Fowler These seventeen officers were with the regiment at the time. Of the three remaining officers, one claimed protection as he resided in Ulster and the other two were away from the regiment on other duties but claimed they would uphold the decision of the regiment and if needed, they too would also resign their commissions. In effect, the whole officer core of 5th Lancers were willing to resign their commissions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armoured Farmer Posted 26 November , 2006 Author Share Posted 26 November , 2006 Ciaran, Thanks for this. I'm not sure if you are aware that the third officer on the list, AG McLintock later commanded the 2nd South Irish Horse when it was a Corps Cavalry Regiment during the war. - 22.1.17 - Lieut Col AG McClintock arrived in Pas & took over command of the Regt - http://southirishhorse.com/documents/sih_war_diaries_2.htm There is also a pre war photograph of him of him whilst Adjutant of a Yeomanry regiment, Worcestershire, I think. Best Regards Hugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgibson150 Posted 9 October , 2015 Share Posted 9 October , 2015 I was looking for a photograph of Lieut Colonel A G McLintock on Google and ended up here. I have tried the Worcestershire Yeomanry, but no luck. Could Armoured Farmer or anyone else help? David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tony Clatworthy Posted 16 October , 2015 Share Posted 16 October , 2015 info so far 4th Hussars: Lt Col I G Hogg, Maj Howell, Capt AVW Stokes (Adjt) 5th Lancers: Lt Col Arthur Parker, Maj JB Jardine; Maj MF McTarggart. 16th Lancers: Lt Col ML MacEwan; Maj CJ Eccles, Maj CE StK Harris-St John; Maj RLMacAlpine-Leng; Maj CLK Campbell; Capt A Neave. Lt ER Nash. Signal Tp; Lt J Penrose. From what I can read, Lt Col Hogg withdrew his resignation after the "clairification" by Sir Arthur Paget (AP); it appears that 16th Lancers did not withdraw as they were unsure of the position after AP's follow-up. Stephen As a point of interest Capt Nash is in Ypres Town Cemetery along with two other 16 Lancer officer blown up by a mine at Hooge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Filsell Posted 16 October , 2015 Share Posted 16 October , 2015 At the risk of causing unwanted dissent on this fascinating thread, Curragh Incident a far more accurate term than Curragh Mutiny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murrough Posted 18 October , 2015 Share Posted 18 October , 2015 At the risk of causing unwanted dissent on this fascinating thread, Curragh Incident a far more accurate term than Curragh Mutiny. No,Mutiny is accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Filsell Posted 18 October , 2015 Share Posted 18 October , 2015 Under the Army Act, I think not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Clifton Posted 18 October , 2015 Share Posted 18 October , 2015 Murrough I have to agree with David on this one. I don't think that any direct orders were disobeyed by Gough and the officers of 3 Cavalry Brigade. I am certainly unaware of any of them having to face a court-martial over their actions. Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Broomfield Posted 18 October , 2015 Share Posted 18 October , 2015 Is it fair to suggest it was an "Incident" which might have become a "Mutiny" had matters progressed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Tom Posted 18 October , 2015 Share Posted 18 October , 2015 Might even have been a civil war. Old Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Filsell Posted 19 October , 2015 Share Posted 19 October , 2015 My understanding was resignation if ordered to take up arms. I am not aware of any officers - acting in concert as laid down - participating in such an event. Were there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kildaremark Posted 19 October , 2015 Share Posted 19 October , 2015 As an Irishman living on the edge of the Curragh (not that this is a qualification to answer the question!), I have to agree, there was no mutiny. There was a serious of questions asked about how people would act if they were presented with certain scenarios. In saying that, the political / military leadership showed serious weakness by allowing the situation to reach the crisis that it did. Imagine politicians not showing leadership and letting interest groups get their way..... Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Broomfield Posted 19 October , 2015 Share Posted 19 October , 2015 As an Irishman living on the edge of the Curragh (not that this is a qualification to answer the question!), Mark To be fair, it's as good as any other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Filsell Posted 19 October , 2015 Share Posted 19 October , 2015 I can hear the sound of the fiddle! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norrette Posted 4 December , 2016 Share Posted 4 December , 2016 On 07/11/2006 at 18:33, themonsstar said: Hi all This is from the diarie of a Lt in the 80th Battery RFA. ... Then: " The King earnestly desires that as few officers as possible will avail themselves of alternatives one and two." ... Themonsstar:- Is this diary readily available - or in some private papers? I am researching (in a very short term) the role of the King in the 'incident'. I have Beckett's excellent book which I'm about to re-read. ALL: - Do we know of any other sources mentioning the King's involvement (or otherwise)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrancesK Posted Wednesday at 19:56 Share Posted Wednesday at 19:56 (edited) Many thanks for this topic, and to Ciaran Byrne for the information about the 5th Lancers. Lieutenant George Critchett Juler was my 2x gt uncle. I've bought your book. Much appreciated. Edited Wednesday at 19:57 by FrancesK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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