John_Hartley Posted 20 October , 2006 Share Posted 20 October , 2006 Pals Frederick William Bann is another man commemorated on a war memorial in the Stockport area. Neither I, not a previous researcher (in 1998), have been able to track down his military service. He was born in 1899 , the son of Fred and Margaret. The last reference I have to the family is in 1910 and there's a report that the family "went abroad" shortly after. Notification for his name to be included on the memorial came late. It was not on the list published in JUly 1923, but it was on the memorial when it was unveiled on 11 November. My guess would be that this was a post-discharge death somewhere in the world. I've looked at on-line Australian and Canadian service records with no success. Anyone got any advice how I might take this further or is he a "no trace"? John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyford Posted 20 October , 2006 Share Posted 20 October , 2006 John Unlikely to be your man, but the name is quite unusual. I have just found a Northumberland Fusilier on my trawl through the MICs. Pte. ALFRED BANN 268148 (6 figure post April 1917 number). This is the only information I have about him. My thinking - FRED could be short for Alfred not Frederick. Kate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christine liava'a Posted 20 October , 2006 Share Posted 20 October , 2006 No BANNs in NZ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Nelson Posted 20 October , 2006 Share Posted 20 October , 2006 Hi John, Have checked our (New Zealand) roll of honour which extends out to 1923 ( as opposed to CWGC 1921 cut off) No luck thier, checked for mispellings as well, eg BAIN and BENN. I am in the Library next week for another Forum PAL, I can look up embarkation details of the entire NZ army to see if your man was among our reinforcements drafts to the NZEF. Sorry I cant check this for you any quicker. Kindest regards Aaron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Nelson Posted 20 October , 2006 Share Posted 20 October , 2006 Looks like Christine beat me to it..........again !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Hartley Posted 20 October , 2006 Author Share Posted 20 October , 2006 Kate - He's definately Frederick (after his dad) - confirmed by BMD websites & Census. Christine/Aaron - thanks John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted 23 October , 2006 Share Posted 23 October , 2006 Only 5 Bann's are listed as going away with the AIF, none of them called Frederick. Of the two who died in WW1, both have English backgrounds. Arthur Bann was a native of Lancashire & Thomas Bann was from London Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdwn1 Posted 23 October , 2006 Share Posted 23 October , 2006 Hi John It appears Frederick must have emigrated to the US and was living in the town of Aurora NY. He enlisted in the US army 108th infantry regiment. He is listed at the following cemetery site with these details: Bann, Frederick W. - Pvt. Co. L, 108 Inf. K.A., Sept. 29, 1918, Hindenburg Line http://members.tripod.com/~wnyroots/index-aurora-vet-ww.html In addition a scanned photograph of Pvt Bann from the book: A Short History and Illustrated Roster of the 108th Infantry United States Army can be found at this URL http://www.rootsweb.com/~nycayuga/veteran/...an/page100.html I hope this information will enable you to update your memorial website. Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Henschke Posted 23 October , 2006 Share Posted 23 October , 2006 Ian, Great work. He probably would have been quite at home during his short time in the A.E.F., given that many of the 27th Division were Irish-Americans. High casualties on 29 September for the Division, almost 60 per cent casualties for one of the Regiments (107th Infantry). Chris Henschke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Hartley Posted 23 October , 2006 Author Share Posted 23 October , 2006 BINGO!!!!!!! That's got to be him. It's otherwise almost too much a co-incidence (having already discounted Australia, Canada & NZ). I guess this demonstrates the power of the internet. The 1998 researcher had drawn a specific blank with US records. Many thanks, Ian. Your help's been much appreciated. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Hartley Posted 23 October , 2006 Author Share Posted 23 October , 2006 Update.....update......update Since this morning, another Pal has found the family entry on the 1920 US Census still living in Aurora, so I've got identity confirmed. I've also found a good account of the action in which he was killed (published for the Regiment's first reunion). And I've written to the local Aurora newspaper - you never know if there may be descendents. And, amazingly, when I searched to find where this little town is, I realise that I've almost certainly passed through it - we had family living not too far away until they returned to the UK (and my niece is now back near there attending college). Pretty good result, eh? Doncha just love this place? John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdwn1 Posted 23 October , 2006 Share Posted 23 October , 2006 Hi John Congratulations in getting confirmation that he is definately your man named on the war memorial . Thats pretty fast work. It would be great if you can eventually establish contact with any surviving relatives. Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Hartley Posted 31 October , 2006 Author Share Posted 31 October , 2006 Just to "sign this one off", with some public thanks to Bottsgreys. Chris not only found the census entries but sent off to the New York State archives for his summary service card for me. Thanks again, mate. Our turn to buy dinner next time we're over. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manchester regiment Posted 31 October , 2006 Share Posted 31 October , 2006 Update.....update......update Since this morning, another Pal has found the family entry on the 1920 US Census still living in Aurora, so I've got identity confirmed. I've also found a good account of the action in which he was killed (published for the Regiment's first reunion). And I've written to the local Aurora newspaper - you never know if there may be descendents. And, amazingly, when I searched to find where this little town is, I realise that I've almost certainly passed through it - we had family living not too far away until they returned to the UK (and my niece is now back near there attending college). Pretty good result, eh? Doncha just love this place? John sounds like johns a happy fella,thats a great bit of detective work by all of you on this thread,bernard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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